Floyd fans now hold compubox #rs as real.

Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

hey i guess pbf fans ran out of arguement on this one.... ill keep checking until i see a pbf fan full of himself trying to convince nobody but himself that pbf won that fight too

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Danny it isn't quite the same. First Castillo would outland Mayweather by a lot of punches in a few rounds which he won while the rest Mayweather would out punch him by a smaller margin, and would win the round. IN the Oscar Dela Hoya vs. Mayweather fight not only where the number way more in Mayweather's favor, but he 1. landed a lot more clean shots than Castillo did against him. 2. He landed more to the head, and 3. He out landed Oscar is almost every round instead of having a whole punches landed in one round while in another almost landed the same number eventually the one guy will have way more punch stat numbers. Anyways Mayweather vs. Castillo I was a much closer fight than this one.

Which also gives credibility to all of Mayweather past opponents.

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Danny it isn't quite the same. First Castillo would outland Mayweather by a lot of punches in a few rounds which he won while the rest Mayweather would out punch him by a smaller margin, and would win the round. IN the Oscar Dela Hoya vs. Mayweather fight not only where the number way more in Mayweather's favor, but he 1. landed a lot more clean shots than Castillo did against him. 2. He landed more to the head, and 3. He out landed Oscar is almost every round instead of having a whole punches landed in one round while in another almost landed the same number eventually the one guy will have way more punch stat numbers. Anyways Mayweather vs. Castillo I was a much closer fight than this one.

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either the #s are credible or they're not. can't have it both ways. they matter when they help your arguement but don't matter when they hurt it. no no no.

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Danny it isn't quite the same. First Castillo would outland Mayweather by a lot of punches in a few rounds which he won while the rest Mayweather would out punch him by a smaller margin, and would win the round. IN the Oscar Dela Hoya vs. Mayweather fight not only where the number way more in Mayweather's favor, but he 1. landed a lot more clean shots than Castillo did against him. 2. He landed more to the head, and 3. He out landed Oscar is almost every round instead of having a whole punches landed in one round while in another almost landed the same number eventually the one guy will have way more punch stat numbers. Anyways Mayweather vs. Castillo I was a much closer fight than this one.

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either the #s are credible or they're not. can't have it both ways. they matter when they help your arguement but don't matter when they hurt it. no no no.

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My point exactly and this is why I never used the compubox stats to argue.

There are only two operators doing the compubox numbers and that for me is not enough.
There should be a lot more. If they had 6 to 8 operators doing different functions then I would regard compubox numbers with more respect.
The way the system is set up right now leaves a huge hole.

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Danny it isn't quite the same. First Castillo would outland Mayweather by a lot of punches in a few rounds which he won while the rest Mayweather would out punch him by a smaller margin, and would win the round. IN the Oscar Dela Hoya vs. Mayweather fight not only where the number way more in Mayweather's favor, but he 1. landed a lot more clean shots than Castillo did against him. 2. He landed more to the head, and 3. He out landed Oscar is almost every round instead of having a whole punches landed in one round while in another almost landed the same number eventually the one guy will have way more punch stat numbers. Anyways Mayweather vs. Castillo I was a much closer fight than this one.

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look at this post... he said that compubox agrees with the way he scores the fight on another thread now on this one it isnt quite the same???? wow, what else can i say except good luck hanging on mayweathers nuts.. there a lot of u guys there

Compubox is dodgy always, so many things to take into account when reading the stats. It never really proves anything!
Having said that, I was watching Oscar vs. Floyd again earlier and I was looking at a lot of it in slo-mo. Oscar missed so many punches that people would have thought he had landed in real time, it is amazing. At the last second, Floyd seems to just get himself out of harms way either by slipping, rolling or parrying. If anyone can, look at the combination from Oscar with around 1 minute left in round 9 as an example in slo-mo. He throws around 8 punches and misses with every one of them! You would be sure he connected in real time, especially with the crowd going insane, but Floyd actually successfully avoids every one of them!
Floyd's misses were a lot easier to pick up on because he was not really throwing combinations, just single shots.

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Compubox is dodgy always, so many things to take into account when reading the stats. It never really proves anything!
Having said that, I was watching Oscar vs. Floyd again earlier and I was looking at a lot of it in slo-mo. Oscar missed so many punches that people would have thought he had landed in real time, it is amazing. At the last second, Floyd seems to just get himself out of harms way either by slipping, rolling or parrying. If anyone can, look at the combination from Oscar with around 1 minute left in round 9 as an example in slo-mo. He throws around 8 punches and misses with every one of them! You would be sure he connected in real time, especially with the crowd going insane, but Floyd actually successfully avoids every one of them!
Floyd's misses were a lot easier to pick up on because he was not really throwing combinations, just single shots.

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so they way mayweather's head snaps back is just mayweather making his head snap back, just like ur suggesting right???

If compubox is the above all criteria for judging fights, why are 3 human being sitting ringside with the duty of judging the fight ???

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If compubox is the above all criteria for judging fights, why are 3 human being sitting ringside with the duty of judging the fight ???

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well, u have to give them a job...coz they're supposed to be some scoring experts.

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Compubox is dodgy always, so many things to take into account when reading the stats. It never really proves anything!
Having said that, I was watching Oscar vs. Floyd again earlier and I was looking at a lot of it in slo-mo. Oscar missed so many punches that people would have thought he had landed in real time, it is amazing. At the last second, Floyd seems to just get himself out of harms way either by slipping, rolling or parrying. If anyone can, look at the combination from Oscar with around 1 minute left in round 9 as an example in slo-mo. He throws around 8 punches and misses with every one of them! You would be sure he connected in real time, especially with the crowd going insane, but Floyd actually successfully avoids every one of them!
Floyd's misses were a lot easier to pick up on because he was not really throwing combinations, just single shots.

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I did not have a problem seeing these punches miss.
Great defense work from Floyd.
Oscars punches should have been coming forward and not wide. Why did Oscar choose to throw penguin punches is beyond me. I have never seen anything like it. Floyd made it look so simple. I swear he thinks so out side the box. His defense is unconventional.
Oscar should have been throwing those punches right down the middle aiming for the chest. But then again, I think Floyd would have just tied Oscar up.

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Danny it isn't quite the same. First Castillo would outland Mayweather by a lot of punches in a few rounds which he won while the rest Mayweather would out punch him by a smaller margin, and would win the round. IN the Oscar Dela Hoya vs. Mayweather fight not only where the number way more in Mayweather's favor, but he 1. landed a lot more clean shots than Castillo did against him. 2. He landed more to the head, and 3. He out landed Oscar is almost every round instead of having a whole punches landed in one round while in another almost landed the same number eventually the one guy will have way more punch stat numbers. Anyways Mayweather vs. Castillo I was a much closer fight than this one.

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either the #s are credible or they're not. can't have it both ways. they matter when they help your arguement but don't matter when they hurt it. no no no.

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No I just explained the different scenarios... First of all Castillo and Oscar last night would do stuff like throw arm punches in close that mean nothing, but count as a punch. Or they would hold PBF against the ropes and throw a lot of hooks to the body that were meaningless and shouldn't count. Most judges see this. Mayweather always throws hard crisp punches. He gets as much power as he can behind his punches, and he doesn't throwing meaningless slapping punches in the clinch or in close just to raise his punch stat. WHen Mayweather landes 200 punches HE's landed 200 punches. He doesn't always hit cleanly, but he only throws punches if he can have power behind them. That's the difference that makes a rule work at one time, but not in another.

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If compubox is the above all criteria for judging fights, why are 3 human being sitting ringside with the duty of judging the fight ???

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I agree that compubox aren't the end all, be all of boxing, but I just used it to demonstrate the dominance tactically of what Mayweather did. He hit and got hit as little as possible, and that is what should be judged. Oscar's pressure should be taken into account, but it was him throwing a lot of meaningless punches. That's not what a great boxer should do, and Mayweather showed that efficient fighting wins the night.

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Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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Oh please ::** This is weak Danny.

Want us to bring up the Sturm punchstats ???

The Whitaker punchstats ???

The Quartey punchstats ???

Floyd won get over it ::**

compubox does count so many blocked punches as having landed

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compubox does count so many blocked punches as having landed

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You could say the same thing the other way around then ;)

It can work both ways people.

You don't need compubox to see the winner of lastnights fight.

It wasn't Oscar.

Mayweather beat Dela. And JLC beat Mayweather. Its as simple as that. Compubox numbers arent always right. But theyre not far from the truth.

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compubox does count so many blocked punches as having landed

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You could say the same thing the other way around then ;)

It can work both ways people.

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yes

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Mayweather beat Dela. And JLC beat Mayweather. Its as simple as that. Compubox numbers arent always right. But theyre not far from the truth.

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and Mayweather came back and beat Castillo cleanly. So whats the point? It aint like Floyd ducked Castillo. He came back in the rematch and won easy. So whats the point?

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Mayweather beat Dela. And JLC beat Mayweather. Its as simple as that. Compubox numbers arent always right. But theyre not far from the truth.

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and Mayweather came back and beat Castillo cleanly. So whats the point? It aint like Floyd ducked Castillo. He came back in the rematch and won easy. So whats the point?

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lmfao.

A little defensive aren't we?

Would you call JLC a great fighter? ??? ;D

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Mayweather beat Dela. And JLC beat Mayweather. Its as simple as that. Compubox numbers arent always right. But theyre not far from the truth.

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and Mayweather came back and beat Castillo cleanly. So whats the point? It aint like Floyd ducked Castillo. He came back in the rematch and won easy. So whats the point?

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lmfao.

A little defensive aren't we?

Would you call JLC a great fighter? ??? ;D

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hahahhahaha.. yep.. JLC is p4p#1.. you know.....

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Mayweather beat Dela. And JLC beat Mayweather. Its as simple as that. Compubox numbers arent always right. But theyre not far from the truth.

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and Mayweather came back and beat Castillo cleanly. So whats the point? It aint like Floyd ducked Castillo. He came back in the rematch and won easy. So whats the point?

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lmfao.

A little defensive aren't we?

Would you call JLC a great fighter? ??? ;D

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Not at all. Would you call Felix Sturm a great fighter?

Oh and you're gonna say "Oscar was out of his weight class"

Oh wait.. look what we have here...

:)

And im not being defensive, I'm stating the facts. I don't have the time to insult you to prove a point. I show you whats what and you say Im defensive. Whatever floats your boat/

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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Oh please ::** This is weak Danny.

Want us to bring up the Sturm punchstats ???

The Whitaker punchstats ???

The Quartey punchstats ???

Floyd won get over it ::**

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Oscar sucks balls!

Floyd is another fake.

We had two fake azz mo fo's up there.

So you are saying the numbers don't lie?

Then you just admitted that Floyd lost against Jose Luis Castillo I.

Thank you.

Thts 1 place I CAN agree with you totally DG,Floyd fans love using the numbers when it came to the Oscar fight but when it came to the JLC fight:"numbers can be manipulated" etc etc is all I heard from them. Fair play,Floyd won against Oscar for sure but no way did he beat JLC the first time and the second time,I had it 115-113.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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Oh please ::** This is weak Danny.

Want us to bring up the Sturm punchstats ???

The Whitaker punchstats ???

The Quartey punchstats ???

Floyd won get over it ::**

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You're missing the point TOTALLY.Danny dislikes Oscar too,totally.He's merely saying that Floyd fans like mentioning punch stats when it suits them,this has nothing to do with Oscar's other fights.

Mayweather beat Oscar

Castillo beat Mayweather 1st time


simple as that

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Originally Posted by Oggie

Compubox is dodgy always, so many things to take into account when reading the stats. It never really proves anything!
Having said that, I was watching Oscar vs. Floyd again earlier and I was looking at a lot of it in slo-mo. Oscar missed so many punches that people would have thought he had landed in real time, it is amazing. At the last second, Floyd seems to just get himself out of harms way either by slipping, rolling or parrying. If anyone can, look at the combination from Oscar with around 1 minute left in round 9 as an example in slo-mo. He throws around 8 punches and misses with every one of them! You would be sure he connected in real time, especially with the crowd going insane, but Floyd actually successfully avoids every one of them!
Floyd's misses were a lot easier to pick up on because he was not really throwing combinations, just single shots.

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so they way mayweather's head snaps back is just mayweather making his head snap back, just like ur suggesting right???

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Do you mind showing me where I said that?
Sure, Floyd was caught on occasions. I was just saying that a lot of the combinations from Oscar that had the crowd and the UK TV commentators going into a frenzy with excitement, for the most part weren't even landing at all.
As for Compubox...
As has been said, Compubox is just a couple of guys pressing buttons at ringside... they are human like everyone else... and they have pockets like everyone else. ;)
They will never be 100% reliable in my eyes.
They are succeptable to corruption, just like judges.
They have a habit of handing out the 'overall' punch stats and then people base their opinions off that. For the home viewers, if you are judging a fight the way it SHOULD be judged, overall punch stats are pretty much worthless.
As I have watched the fight more closely now, I have Floyd winning by more than the two rounds that I originally thought, so I think Compubox have the stats roughly right on this occasion. However, I have seen fights before were the 'overall' punch stats painted a completely different picture to the painting of the fight itself.

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Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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i actually never saw the first castillo-mayweather fight. all i know is that on saturday, oscar delahoya got outlanded and outboxed. he lost the fight and that's that. Im not saying he's gay or that he is not a great fighter. but he lost on saturday and im tired of everyone trying to argue otherwise.

Danny did u think Saturday's fight was as close as the Castillo match?

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Thts 1 place I CAN agree with you totally DG,Floyd fans love using the numbers when it came to the Oscar fight but when it came to the JLC fight:"numbers can be manipulated" etc etc is all I heard from them. Fair play,Floyd won against Oscar for sure but no way did he beat JLC the first time and the second time,I had it 115-113.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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Oh please ::** This is weak Danny.

Want us to bring up the Sturm punchstats ???

The Whitaker punchstats ???

The Quartey punchstats ???

Floyd won get over it ::**

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You're missing the point TOTALLY.Danny dislikes Oscar too,totally.He's merely saying that Floyd fans like mentioning punch stats when it suits them,this has nothing to do with Oscar's other fights.

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Well I'm a Mayweather fan and I think he lost the first Castillo fight. it doesn't matter though as he came back and won the rematch. He has beaten everybody he has ever been in the ring with. And I don't see Danny's point in putting up statistics to that fight ??? Whats the point? I thought Castillo won the first fight, Mayweather won the second fight clearly, Mayweather beat Oscar, Hopkins beat Taylor(twice by punchstats) thank you ;)

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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Compubox numbers can be misleading. I for one have not used them in defending how Floyd won this fight decisively.

You are so lame. The points you are trying to raise are pointless when related to this fight IMO...

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

Amazing how against Castillo, Floyd fans totaly dismissed the compubox numbers and now against De La Hoya, they are throwing the stats and numbers at us.


Floyd fans, please do not use compubox numbers to claim your victory against Oscar because if that is the case then you have to accept this.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8...71046059iw.png

I am not down with compubox numbers. It can be very misleading at times. But if the fan boys want to go there, then there you have it.

I know what I see and I can tell a punch that lands vs a punch that is blocked, partialy blocked, lands with authority and or is just a love tap.

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Two different situations.
In the Castillo fight, the argument was that many of Castillo's punches were landed when they were clinching. They'd get tied up, and before the ref broke them up, Castillo would tap Floyd 5 or 6 times in the rib with his right hand.
Those punches were legal, and they should have counted, but they counted as "power shots" when they were really just taps on the side, they shouldn't have counted more than a jab.

Yeah that's about right SP, but still, punch stats should count for nothing. I think instead of showing the punch stats on the whole, they should show basic punch stats on a round by round basis at the end of the fight. That would give you more of a picture as to who won the fight.

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Yeah that's about right SP, but still, punch stats should count for nothing. I think instead of showing the punch stats on the whole, they should show basic punch stats on a round by round basis at the end of the fight. That would give you more of a picture as to who won the fight.

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Completely agree. I HATE it when they show "Punches thru ROund 7" or something like that, instead of showing just the punches from the last round.

Even worse is when they'll show "Power punches thru Round 8." What, jabs don't count??

They did show almost every round for this fight the punch stats for every round, and they were almost always for Mayweather.