Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now

8) As I no you are all mostly Hatton fans and should be thats your guy I have to say he is a strong fighter for his weight division. He can give fits to most anyone but hasnt met anyone like Castillo. The same as we were saying about Oscar vs Mayweather! Seems sometimes to not make a difference so I have to say its open to who wants it the most. It was smart for Hatton to have fought Collzo so he knows the difference that extra weight made he my fight much better noing that. Castillo is about natural at that weight but to me hasnt looked real good lately I think he will be way up and ready for this fight. so will just have to see. What do you all think?

Hatton will own Castillo for about 4 rounds, and then it's JLC for the rest of the fight.
Castillo's body shots are the key. and I'm not sure Hatton can maintain his old blistering
pace that made him so popular, haven't seen it lately.

8) I agree with Castillo having a top notch body attack. What bothers me is Hatton's pace he can carry the pace like no other. Can Castillo keep up with that?

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Hatton didn't show that pace against Urango or Collazo in the later rounds though.

8) Right about that but dont forget he was not fighting at his weight he had gone up. Now Hatton will be fighting at his weight can be much different.

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Urango was at 140, The body attack of Urango had obviously affected Hatton down the stretch. Castillo while he may not hit as hard as Urango will hit Hatton much more often.

The thing that I really look forward to is that these are the top two ranked 140 pounders. Both have been on the Ring's p4p list. It is a very good match-up. And this fight could take place in a 5' x 5' ring.

8) Yea the Collazo fight was at welter and thats what I am looking at now Ricky Hatton is back at his weight even though he is having trouble making weight it maybe getting hard for him now will have to see.

I think Hatton will win i feel Castillo has faded abit and i think this is why Hatton is fighting him but i want Castillo to win

8) I havent seen anything impressive from Castillo either maybe Hatton has got him at the right time!

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Since I have money on Castillo, the thing that concerns me, is the fact that he has gotten lazy lately.
Castillo has been only showing up for the championship rounds. If Hatton presses the action early, it
could be an exciting fight. If Castillo wins the early rounds, I fear it will be very boring in the latter half.

8) Ricky Hatton always gets off in the early rounds and can carry the pace when he is trained to do just that and he can do that here this is his weight. Now if I see Castillo go to the body attack something he does so well early than he will win this fight unless he believes he has the hit to take Hatton early something he will do if thats his thinking. I no he will let Hatton get off early to test his power hit then he will go after Hatton.

Good thread and I can't wait for this fight either, but before we can move on to Hatton vs. Castillo (which vary well could be fight of the year) I think allot of us are looking forward to see Pavlik vs. Miranda, well I know I am and this is another fight that could be fight of the year. I'm really looking forward to both of these can't wait.

There's some fight on June 9 too....

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Yep and there are other good fights coming up before this one right?


Hatton wins this for me although I'd like JLC to win,he's getting on,Hatton is younger,faster,fresher,and it's his natural weight class.Castillo will have to keep digging to the body but surely the wars will catch up the monster at some point?! His fight with Corrales was like 10 in 1!

Hatton ballooned up to 182lbs between fights, but between Urango and Castillo, the heaviest he got was 168, 12 stone. He was on UK television one week before he resumed training for June at this weight, so unless he piled on alot in that week, I think he is going to be in perfect physical condition this time. Against Urango he looked abit gaunt, but I feel he will be ready to go twelve rounds. Unless Castillo has improved since his last fight, this is Hatton's all the way, because he will definitely be better.

8) God I cant even imagine Hatton at 180lbs wow! Not good!

Really hard to call this one. I think Hatton will be ahead after 6 rounds, but I worry that he may run out of gas again and get picked off in the 2nd half :-\

8) If Hatton is ahead after 6 he should have it in the bag almost if he fights a smart fight and usually does of what I have seen. Only thing that has bothered me in the past is when he fights in Manchester refs give him to much play and I really mean that! ! !

Hatton is just lucky he's not fighting a PRIME JLC. In that fight, I pick JLC all day long. In this one, it's a toss-up.

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Just aswell Castillo aint fighting a prime Hatton ;)

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Just aswell Castillo aint fighting a prime Hatton ;)

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??? Hatton's already past his prime?? Oh, right, I forgot--his fans like to limit his prime to his one fight against Tszyu so they can have an irrebuttable claim that "he could have beat anyone that night." If Hatton had lost his next fight, it just would have been because he "wasn't in his prime anymore."

The facts: Hatton's only 28, and has only been fighting for 10 years. His fight against Tszyu was less than 3 years ago. Castillo is 33, and has been fighting for 17 years.

8) Ricky Hatton isnt to old in know way guys he can hang for a couple years yet if he quits blowing up to 180 some pounds between fights! 8)

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Did I miss something ??? Exactly how is Ricky Hatton not in the prime of his career now ???

8) Yea! Exactly thats what I say! 28 years old hes primetime right now! ! ! 8)

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8) As much as I have ever said against Hatton he keeps winning! ! ! Think its time to give him a bit of credit!

I like both fighters. If Castillo comes to the fight well-conditioned, watch out.

Pick em for me, but the fighter with the best conditioning will probably win. If they are both at peak performance, easily fight of the year. (possibly) :D

8) You said it thats about how Im seeing it at least right now! 8)

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Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.

If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??

8) Its hard to tell sometimes they come out as youd like to see them and at other times they are stiff or slugish. You just cant tell even they dont know it just comes togeather. 8)

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Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.

If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??

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So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."

8) Age wise Hatton is at his prime right now! If not then he gets old faster than the avarage bear! 8)

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Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.

If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??

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So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."

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Well personally i feel his prime for a guy with his style was 18 months prior to that fight Tackie and upto to Tzysu, i just cant work out what has gone wrong since? I mean its not motivation as he is topping the bill in Vegas now, and has promised amazing performances in his two American fights, which just havent happened, it wasnt one night like you said after the Tackie fight he should of pushed on then instead of fighting two/three more bums, but i think he deserves this last chance now to put on a world class performance which has been lacking now for two years.

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Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.

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So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."

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His prime was about 2002 -2005 and peaked with Tszyu. He barely lost a round in his first 38 fights, that is a peak - Is it ok for me to say he may be past his best - good thanks

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Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.

If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??

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So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."

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His prime was about 2002 -2005 and peaked with Tszyu. He barely lost a round in his first 38 fights, that is a peak - Is it ok for me to say he may be past his best - good thanks

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Ok, so like I said, you've got your non-rebuttable excuse in place for whenever Ricky loses a fight. It's very convenient. He was in his prime for a period in which he beat a bunch of C-grade bums, peaking with the one and only notable victory of his career. Once that happened, and there was actually demand to see him, and to see if that Tszyu fight was a fluke or whatever, he was already past his prime, so a loss wouldn't prove anything either way.

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Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.

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His prime was about 2002 -2005 and peaked with Tszyu. He barely lost a round in his first 38 fights, that is a peak - Is it ok for me to say he may be past his best - good thanks

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Ok, so like I said, you've got your non-rebuttable excuse in place for whenever Ricky loses a fight. It's very convenient. He was in his prime for a period in which he beat a bunch of C-grade bums, peaking with the one and only notable victory of his career. Once that happened, and there was actually demand to see him, and to see if that Tszyu fight was a fluke or whatever, he was already past his prime, so a loss wouldn't prove anything either way.

Saying that his "peak" (as opposed to his prime) consisted of a single fight is just another way of saying that he fought at above his real level for a night.

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I don't make excuses!!

I am basing my opinion that he is past his prime on the FACT that his last 2 performances have been his worse!!

He has NEVER run out of steam before, NEVER been hanging on at the final bell and NEVER had a 12 round fight where the decision was even slightly likely to go against him

These are FACTS that make me feel he is past his best.

Do you think he is as good now as he was 2 years ago, based on what you have seen recently?
If your answer is no, then you agree he is probably past his best

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Most definitely. If old school Juan Luis Castillo shows up then I can see him breaking Hatton's ribs into a million little pieces by the late rounds and just beating him down brutally. On the other hand, Hatton can really bring it and may be able to pull of a repeat performance against an aging warrior yet again just by setting an electrifying pace from the onset and outworking Castillo, then (based on JLC's energy levels after about seven or eight rounds) mount an offense to try to take Juan out late. I personally think Hatton would be a better fighter if he didnt drink like a madman, and his liquor-swilling, boozehound days of blearily staggering out of pubs with the rising sun behind him may have finally caught up with "The Hitman". Hopefully he's cleaned up his act a good deal after the last special and interview I saw him in...if he doesnt, then once Juan Luis Castillo gets his hands on him, they may be calling Ricky, "The Get-Hit Man".


And should "The Get-Hit Man" end up getting blown away later this summer by Castillo, where is he to go? I dont see him beating any of the bigger welterweights. Can he make lightweight and challenge Manny Pacquiao? That's a fight that I really think would be a brawl...

This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Why is it it lame?? I think Cotto and Mayweather will probably beat him either way, but lame?? Hatton struggled against a guy (Uranga) who had no boxing skills whatsoever, he was fucked i have never seen Hatton like that before 18 months ago the majority of this forum would put Hatton top 3/4 fittest boxers in the ring, he has not looked good, he looked his best between 2003/2005, you say he is 28, but over the last 2 years he has fought twice so that works out at say 20 weeks getting yourself ready in a period of 102 weeks, so for only 15% of the time over the past two years he has been working out, getting in shape the other 80/85% he has been eating what he wants drinking what he wants basically living life to the full, thats why i think he is past his best he has not been active enough, so i dont see how that can be lame??? Age is a number it's how you look after yourself, look at BHop most 42 year olds struggle to get out of bed the next day after some sort of exercise, but BHop is still a top boxer because he has lived his life in the correct way to keep him the way he is at 42.

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This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.

How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.

See? Works both ways!

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Cotto & PBF probably beat Hatton even on his best night! Pick the bones out of that ;)