Did Oscar have the wrong strategy?

Why does everyone go looking for Floyd?
We all know he boxes superbly on the back foot so why play into his hands?
You need him to commit to create the openings,it may have been boring (if Oscar sat back) for a while but Oscar was the champ and i feel went about it the wrong way.
34 years old and trying to hunt down one, if not maybe the greatest athlete the fight game has ever seen.
If (if) there was a rematch then i for one would like to see Oscar totaly change his gameplan then see what happens.
He had no plan B at all and by the 9th was just walking into Floyd with no jab whatsoever.
Just my thoughts after re-watching it for the 6th time earlier. ;D

Yeah it was quite bizarre watching him WALK into punches and that's when I began to SCREAM because it was just so ridiculous.

However, I think Oscar standing flatfooted and making Floyd come to him would have been a slaughter. In the first round, look at how Oscar reacts to every single feint Floyd does. I figured he would be able to time Floyd possibly, but the way he was reacting to those feints, not a chance. I think moving forward with the jab was so damn effective. Floyd could not do anything but move backwards and while Oscar was not landing to much on the ropes, he was negating Floyd's offense and he did have some success to the body with some shoe shiners.

But Oscar making Floyd come to him, he was off balance with his hands with those feints and that's why Floyd has been able to get inside out so effectively throughout his career by keeping his opponent off balance, I figured Oscar would be different. He wasn't.

I think the jab is the key. Not only the jab but moving forward with the jab. Floyd just moved backwards from it, which is what De La Hoya wants.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Why does everyone go looking for Floyd?
We all know he boxes superbly on the back foot so why play into his hands?
You need him to commit to create the openings,it may have been boring (if Oscar sat back) for a while but Oscar was the champ and i feel went about it the wrong way.
34 years old and trying to hunt down one, if not maybe the greatest athlete the fight game has ever seen.
If (if) there was a rematch then i for one would like to see Oscar totaly change his gameplan then see what happens.
He had no plan B at all and by the 9th was just walking into Floyd with no jab whatsoever.
Just my thoughts after re-watching it for the 6th time earlier. ;D

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Yeah, I think that he definitely used the wrong strategy. I think that he should have been moving forward but he should have jab to setup his punches. If you think about it, that's really boxing 101. Also, he should have worked more in the middle of the ring which is where Floyd was relying on his offense working. I'm not sure if he thought he would tire from throwing jabs or something. It was very unusual considering that Floyd didn't even counter the jab at all so I don't know what Oscar was waiting for.

Did he ever have a real chance chasing someone of that speed at his age :-\

Oscar won the last round, he had plenty in the tank imo. And when he chased with the jab, it wasn't really chasing. Floyd would always get flatfooted on the ropes. The other times Floyd stood his ground, Oscar walked in and would get popped and Floyd would move a bit, walk in get popped, rinse and repeat. I know everybody and their mother is saying it, but the jab was the key to the fight and prevented Floyd from just standing in and potshotting. Him abandoning the jab is on par with Hagler going southpaw imo. Just inexplicable.

Roach should have told him in no uncertain terms to keep flicking out the jab,it was crazy that he seemed to just stop when he was cearly ahead at one stage.
Strange one that,even Oscar himself (with all his experience) should have known better :)

8) I sure dont think so I think Oscar went right after Floyd as he should have to win and I still believe in the peoples eye he did win. I was out last night and people were giving big props to Del La Hoya at the cinco de Mayo partys in SB.

Well the fact that Oscar was constantly moving forward helped him in the eyes of the fans of course, as well it should have. But for him to have reasonably won the fight, he needed the jab and in the 9th, 10th and 11th, the most crucial junction of the fight, he let it go. Yeah he moved forward and proved courageous, but it made that great last round insignificant really.

i don't think he had anything left in the last 3 rounds.

What is all this nonsense talk people ??? Oscar won.... period
I mean how much he earned in that fight plus he has Millie Corretjer that is a winner for me ;D

Typical post fight questions and deja vu all over again, Smash... Floyd was like the Pied Piper Saturday night had Oscar handcuffed for the most part walking forward not throwing and Floyd making him pay we have seen it atleast 3x before Coralles, Gatti, Baldomir all like deers in the headlight...

Although Oscar is better than any of the 3 mentioned and didnt get beat up like them but none the less he fell victim to being the walking Zombie.. I dont think its so much Oscars strategy but Floyds exceptional skill, there is a reason a fighter dosent stick to the plan........ Because his opponent wont let him... You could see it in Oscars face and body language in the corner between rounds.. beginning in the third round, Oscar was frustrated and thrown off his plan mentally Floyd is one of the best at that  ;)

Ok so if Oscar stood and boxed on the back foot what do you think would have happened?

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Originally Posted by Puya

What is all this nonsense talk people ??? Oscar won.... period
I mean how much he earned in that fight plus he has Millie Corretjer that is a winner for me ;D

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I love how you losers like to point to everything but the fight and the result. Mayweather's gonna walk away with around 20 Million. That's not to shabby either.

SERIOUS money 8)

I'm pretty sure he was joking ;)

And JT, I don't think Floyd did anything to deter Oscar from using the jab except for the fact that he missed a ton of punches but even then, he had to have sensed that he won the round. Floyd had no answers in terms of offense for the jab.

And if Oscar boxes on the back foot, Mayweather gets inside and outside all night, racks up the first 8 or so rounds and forces Oscar to come forward. Mayweather is to nifty, he makes openings with feints and takes advantage of them, by the time Oscar gets his hands set and throws a punch, Floyd is slipping and sliding out of there 3 landed punches richer. Oscar did the right thing in moving forward, he needed to do it behind the jab. Even if it was a single jab, it's what backed Floyd up.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Ok so if Oscar stood and boxed on the back foot what do you think would have happened?

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He would have left himself open and  torn up bad, seeing it would have given Floyd an opportunity to move forward and utlize a multi angular attack

Also if you noticed after the fight Oscar made the comment that Floyd was fast... In my estimation Floyd was probably faster than Delahoya and Roach anticipated he would be... Again you hear that alot after a Mayweather fight

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Originally Posted by albsur2006

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Originally Posted by Puya

What is all this nonsense talk people ??? Oscar won.... period
I mean how much he earned in that fight plus he has Millie Corretjer that is a winner for me ;D

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I love how you losers like to point to everything but the fight and the result. Mayweather's gonna walk away with around 20 Million. That's not to shabby either.

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Well since I'm a looser for what? hmm check my other posts you know using search on the top and see who I was saying would win the fight but I gess retarded like you will have a hard time looking for that.

anyways OSCAR Won ..... how many Mill$$$ waawaweewuu a la Borat :rofmaoal:

It has been said a 1000 times already. But it worth saying again and again and agiain...Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab. Why did you stop using it Oscar, I just don't know.

I espesially liked it when I think it was the 7th or 8th were he started jabbing Floyds chest HARD. Floyd was laghing at those punches, but he was also being pushed back and he was not throwing anything.

In general he did a good job and gave Floyd a tough fight. He just ran out of gas in the end IMHO.

Floyd's strategy in the other hand was perfect. He didn't even have to try and beat Oscar, he just let Oscar beat himself by punching himself out and then busting him up with solid accurate punching after Oscar was done.

I think ODH had the right plan, he just didn't stick to it. Like everyone else said his jab was working. He just didn't use it. In my opinion jabbing until PBF was in the ropes, then going to the body was working great. His straight right to the body was very effective, and he should have been throwing straight rights aimed at PBF's shoulder. He had the strategy, and and he executed only 60% of it.

Oscar had the right fight plan totally,the jab,the bodywork etc. Roach trained him well. When he used the jab he was the those rounds fairly comfortably,he just didn't do it enough which was mightily disappointnig. Where were all those doubles ands triples? He just wasn't consistent enough which leads me back to my orginal point which I said alllllll those months ago,Oscar is not a great pressure fighters and although he tried hard,too many times,he would just abandon the jab and walk in,and there were times when he was just staring at Floyd,not letting his hands go.

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Originally Posted by luvfightgame

I think ODH had the right plan, he just didn't stick to it. Like everyone else said his jab was working. He just didn't use it. In my opinion jabbing until PBF was in the ropes, then going to the body was working great. His straight right to the body was very effective, and he should have been throwing straight rights aimed at PBF's shoulder. He had the strategy, and and he executed only 60% of it.

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i think the way to beat floyd is to either keep him on the outside with constant jabs and lots of body work
or to smother him with pressure the way castillo did when he beat mayweather the first time.

what i wanted to see oscar do going into the 12 was... land a deliberate low blow right at the start.
oscar was tired and behind on points (in my opinion- i don't know how everyone had it so close)
floyd would take time to recover, oscar would lose a point and get some rest.
then it should have been oscar giving it all for the last 3 minutes...t'ill he got the KO.

but i guess that didn't happen. haha

Oscar isn't quick enough to fight this fight any other way. He did the best he could have, and it wasn't enough Kudos to him for doing so well, but he fell short in the end, and there is nothing wrong with that.

8) Yea I guess thats what the judges saw as well. 8)

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Why does everyone go looking for Floyd?
We all know he boxes superbly on the back foot so why play into his hands?
You need him to commit to create the openings,it may have been boring (if Oscar sat back) for a while but Oscar was the champ and i feel went about it the wrong way.
34 years old and trying to hunt down one, if not maybe the greatest athlete the fight game has ever seen.
If (if) there was a rematch then i for one would like to see Oscar totaly change his gameplan then see what happens.
He had no plan B at all and by the 9th was just walking into Floyd with no jab whatsoever.
Just my thoughts after re-watching it for the 6th time earlier. ;D

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If Oscar would sit back and wait, Floyd would NEVER come to him. They might as well just take a nap for 12 rounds.

Early rounds were Oscars and Mayweather didn't look anything special the mid rounds were even and could have gone either way, the last three rounds were crucial and the only thing I can put it down to is fatige or even thinking he was ahead and went on cruise control either way I'm pissed at him for sitting back and gifting Mayweather the fight >:mad- in my eyes Oscar Lost the fight rather than Floyd winning it. I had PBF by 1 round but I can easily see due to rounds 6-8 could be called either way and giving a wider margin or even have dela hoya winning.

If you had just tuned in for rounds 10/11 you would think Mayweather was winning easy - he wasn't.

If Oscar didn't press there would have been no fight and plenty of booing.

8) Missy how ya doing baby? Yea your calling it pretty close as me except I think Oscar should have got the call.

Doing good & glad to see you back, I try to be fair even though I wanted Oscar to smash his face in ;D Have you posted your score card? I'd be interested in seeing how you called it, I'm just catching up with all the weekends posts 8)

8) No not yet I'll send ya a message! ya just know I like doing it! 8)

;D ooh cheeky.

8) Cant help it babe ya just got that affect on the Rick_Rack!