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Personally all opinions welcome. What do you think a certain boxers record would look like if you changed all the B.S wins in to loses and all the B.S loses in to wins?
For example Odlhs record stands at 38-5. If certain decisions went the way i felt they should have his record would now read 39-4.The win against Sturm would change to a Ud loss and the losses to trinidad and Mosley would change to Ud wins.
trinidad beat oscar ;)
I'd like Pac, PBF, or Hopkins record.
Larry Holmes 73 wins 44 kos 2 losses
Two Spinks losses he should of won
Brian Nielsen loss he should of won
and he should of got decision against McCall makes it 73 wins 44 kos 2 losses ;)
I just want to say i think unbeaten records are bad for boxing i think fighters protect them selves abit when they start concentrating on remaining unbeaten i.e Calzaghe,Valuev and to a certain degree Hatton
The only fight i have ever seen of Valuev was against larry Donald and i had Larry winning that fight. Hatton will lose soon im pretty sure of it.
Most of the boxing legends have losses on there records the reason for this is because they take the risky fights the 50/50 fights the the fights that they are'nt favourite to win not protecting their records against bums
I thought Quartey clearly beat Oscar. The Whitaker fight was very controversial as well. Oscar's been on the winning side of more controversial decisions than on the losing end.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayo
You could make the argument that Oscar should have at least 7 losses, maybe 8.
Valuev Would be at least 45-2 ..Maybe 44-3?
Miranda should and would be 29 -0
Also bernard hopkins would be 48-2-2 with one no contest imo..
mosely, sweet pea, quartey, sturm, tito, all beat oscar plus bhop & floyd, oscar should have eight losses he's fortunate to only have 5Quote:
Originally Posted by dayo
Imo he beat Mosley in rematch he was robbed and i had Whitaker vs Oscar draw and Tito fight i had him winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Steve Quinonez's record would be a lot different. I remember him getting screwed a lot. Since that Mickey Ward left hook to the body his luck hasnt been there. But that punch would have KOd anyone. Quinonez was an underappreciated boxer imo.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=007215
Mayweather would have 1 loss, that very first win over Jose Luis Castillo. Don't get me started on Oscar, he has been in plenty of close decisions.
Winky would only have 1 loss and zero draws as he should have got the nod against Simon, Vargas and Taylor. Taylor would be a 2 loss fighter. Whitaker should have got the nod over Ramirez and Chavez and possibly over De La Hoya which would make him a 2 loss fighter at best with 0 draws.
Umm...that's all for now.
You got it right! 39-4 Trinidad and Mosley 2nd fight, he lost to Sturm.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayo
Whitaker and Quartey were close but he won those.
Sounds fun, let me wtry
Pernell Whitaker (40-4) becomes 43-2
-changed loss to De La Hoya to UD win
-changed loss to Ramirez to UD win
-draw to Julio Cesar Chavez to a UD win
James Toney (69-6) becomes 71-4
-changed BOTH losses to Montell Griffen to UD wins
-changed loss to Sam Peter (first fight) to UD win
-changed UD win over Tiberi to UD LOSS
lol i bet with Glen Johnson it would be him having far less losses? Ive only seen him twice and that was against Jones and his 3rd fight with Woods which i had him winning.
Of all the fighters of recent years, Whitaker is definitely the one guy who had his record most affected by controversial/weird endings.
He officially had 4 losses, 1 draw, and 1 no contest.
The no-contest was a fight he won, but it was changed to a NC after his drug test came up positive for cocaine.
Everyone knows his 1 draw against Chavez was a joke and was a clear victory.
Of the 4 losses:
the Ramirez loss is universally considered one of the worst decisions ever.
the loss to DLH is highly questionable. It's not a robbery like the Ramirez or Chavez decisions, because it was a close fight and tough to score, but Whitaker easily could have won, especially considering that he was the reigning champ.
in his last fight against Bojourquez, he broke his clavicle in round 2 or 3, fought an entire round one-handed with it broken, and then the doctor stopped the fight.
The ONLY clear loss that Whitaker ever had was against Tito, when Pernell was a 35 year old drug addict who hadn't fought in 20 months and was just out of rehab.
He could have been 44-0 when he fought Trinidad.
P.S....... I'm sure someone will bring up Pernell's first fight with Wilfredo Rivera. I thought it was a very close fight that could have gone either way, but I had Pernell edging it by a point.
Peter Manfredo would be 27-3-0.  He won the second Mora fight.  As far as the Gomez and first Mora fight...  Both are loses...  Calzage would have ended it by TKO by the eight. :-\