7/7/07 Let's say that wlad's chin fails him again...

Wlad has his rematch with brewster (i can't watch this because i dunno how to order non-ppv hbo/showtime matches and will probably be watching the transformers movie premier) the guess is that wlad will avenge his loss but what if he doesn't? Then there would be two americans who each hold 1 of the 4 legit belts. Brewster and Briggs have a fight and we have a unified title held by an american.

edit: I'm not saying that i'd celebrate either champions reign but atleast sports shows would quit asking where the heavyweights are at.

were bacl to square one

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were bacl to square one

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From a global aspect the heavyweight division is back to square one but know many americans know the state of the heavyweight division to begin with? having Two American champions that could potential unify against each other would be huge.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

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were bacl to square one

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From a global aspect the heavyweight division is back to square one but know many americans know the state of the heavyweight division to begin with? having Two American champions that could potential unify against each other would be huge.

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but they would be 2 american champions that suck and will lose there next mandatory to another soviet

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were bacl to square one

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From a global aspect the heavyweight division is back to square one but know many americans know the state of the heavyweight division to begin with? having Two American champions that could potential unify against each other would be huge.

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but they would be 2 american champions that suck and will lose there next mandatory to another soviet

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If brewster can beat wlad he can beat any other soviet bum and if briggs can beat austin he can handle his fair share too.

Vlad's chin could fail him again. But with Steward that is more unlikely. But if Brewster hits him again, Vlad's chin will fail him again. I think there is a good possibility of Vlad losing.. In any fight. His chin is terrible, but with Steward he is learning how to use his size and not get hit clean. But eventually a punch will land and he will be exchamp.. Chin's do not get better.

.......yeah and let's say the moon crashes into the Earth!

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Wlad has his rematch with brewster (i can't watch this because i dunno how to order non-ppv hbo/showtime matches and will probably be watching the transformers movie premier) the guess is that wlad will avenge his loss but what if he doesn't? Then there would be two americans who each hold 1 of the 4 legit belts. Brewster and Briggs have a fight and we have a unified title held by an american.

edit: I'm not saying that i'd celebrate either champions reign but atleast sports shows would quit asking where the heavyweights are at.

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Just call your service provider and ask what HBO channel that program will be for viewing, And get that Channel for the month, They might tell you that you need to get the package in order to do so, Just do it, It is only 15.00 bucks.

I guarantee you that Wlad left hook stops Brewster, He didn't have that in his arsenal last time around.....This will be and easy an quick fight for Wlad...Trust me.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.......yeah and let's say the moon crashes into the Earth!

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LOL cc Lyle

personally i hope Wlad KO's Brewster, nothing against Brewster, but Wlads on the right track to bring the HW back to a "STABLE" condition!

Brewster and briggs may be slow and possibly boring to watch but they are ko artists. They both have the highest ko ratios among active fighters aside from wlad (vitali's not included). A unified soviet champ does nothing to help the problem in america. Yes briggs and brewster aren't great fighters that will have really long title reigns but how many heavy's have had substantial reigns? Until a solid end all heavy shows up, it would be best to atleast have a unified title in american hands if it is only for a few months.

I fancy Brewster to win again

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.......yeah and let's say the moon crashes into the Earth!

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Wlads (as per your previous approval i will again replace the word glass with suspect) "suspect" chin has a much better chance of failing against a power puncher than a gravitational orbit that been in place for milleniums at this point has of breaking down. (If it does happen tho i want front row seats because the earth would be screwed and atleast i'd have an awesome veiw as i died)

:coolclick: Punisher.

Good debate...but I don't see anyway in hell that Wlad loses this fight.

I also don't see how Brewster can be in worthy shape by the time the fight comes around. Last I heard he had ballooned up a bit.

The thing that pisses me off about boxing fans & sports casters asking who are "the current heavyweight champs of the world"...what does that say for those who asked?

Tell them fwocks to pay closer attention to boxing & they might know. ;D

wlad is the man at heavy. he's win this one you mark my words. then hopefully we can move on to a unification at heavy. isnt lewis - holyfield the last time we had one? i was gutted valuev got beaten beofre wlad had a chance to take his title of him.

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:coolclick: Punisher.

Good debate...but I don't see anyway in hell that Wlad loses this fight.

I also don't see how Brewster can be in worthy shape by the time the fight comes around. Last I heard he had ballooned up a bit.

The thing that pisses me off about boxing fans & sports casters asking who are "the current heavyweight champs of the world"...what does that say for those who asked?

Tell them fwocks to pay closer attention to boxing & they might know. ;D

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Its a bettable upset in my eyes. They'll pay closer attention to it when a good personality shows up. F'in jim rome had de la hoya and floyd on a few days before their fight and talked all friendly to them then on mondays show he had some guest host blast their fight (which i maintain was a good one) and say "boxing is dead" and all that good stuff (last time i checked when something dies you dont have to have a funeral for it everyday unless of course you keep giving it a pre-mature burial). They only want to interveiw things that they think people like. They'll shit all over boxing but once a great personality comes along they'll be the first ones in line to interview him. >:mad hipocrites. I bet when mma dies off they'll be like "i never saw why it was popular in the first place"

Wlad ain't that good he lost to Brewster then on floor against Williamson he was floored 3 times by Peter who if he'd had more experiance would have stopped him or edged it on points he just was'nt busy enough.Then he beats Byrd a man he has already beaten then beats up on 2 overmatched guys Brock and Austin and everybody thinks he's great i can see him been taken out again by Brewster

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wlad is the man at heavy. he's win this one you mark my words. then hopefully we can move on to a unification at heavy. isnt lewis - holyfield the last time we had one? i was gutted valuev got beaten beofre wlad had a chance to take his title of him.

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He's probably the best out there right now but he's not of a true championship caliber. If vitali didn't have questions about his heart he'd be the guy but i have to say as of right now there is no one dominant heavy. Since there's nothing of historical value to come out of these next few years i think it would be best if we atleast got some interest back in america.

Quite frankly I'm surprised. Klitschko could have easily avoided Brewster and still had many exciting fights for the next few years. Brewster's style is going to be as problematic if not more than it was the first time. In spite of the rust, Lamon has a serious chance of KOing the Ukrainian by doing exact same thing he did last time: put on pressure, survive severe punishment, throw a couple bombs. Wlad's revamped style wasn't built for the kind of pressure Brewster can and will bring and barring a premature stoppage by an overzealous referee (because Brewster will get knocked down) we're in for an exciting fight.

With that being said maybe people will stop bewoeing the heavyweight division. How many exciting fights do you need exactly? And if Briggs and Brewster hold belts at the same time then they should do what the Russians have- fight a couple nobodies, rattle their sabers then go after the other champs THEN fight each other last. I'm kidding about the nobodies, but there are legit American opponents they can at least assure the belts stay with an American, if that's what's most important to you. I'd rather the belt be in the hands of an exciting fighter who truly pursues the best fights possible like Klitschko is already doing. If Brewster takes the belt but maintains that work ethic so be it.

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Originally Posted by liquid

Quite frankly I'm surprised. Klitschko could have easily avoided Brewster and still had many exciting fights for the next few years. Brewster's style is going to be as problematic if not more than it was the first time. In spite of the rust, Lamon has a serious chance of KOing the Ukrainian by doing exact same thing he did last time: put on pressure, survive severe punishment, throw a couple bombs. Wlad's revamped style wasn't built for the kind of pressure Brewster can and will bring and barring a premature stoppage by an overzealous referee (because Brewster will get knocked down) we're in for an exciting fight.

With that being said maybe people will stop bewoeing the heavyweight division. How many exciting fights do you need exactly? And if Briggs and Brewster hold belts at the same time then they should do what the Russians have- fight a couple nobodies, rattle their sabers then go after the other champs THEN fight each other last. I'm kidding about the nobodies, but there are legit American opponents they can at least assure the belts stay with an American, if that's what's most important to you. I'd rather the belt be in the hands of an exciting fighter who truly pursues the best fights possible like Klitschko is already doing. If Brewster takes the belt but maintains that work ethic so be it.

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True klitschko is going for the unification bouts (eventho since he said that he fought ray austin and now a recovering brewster who had a detached retina) but i just can't picture him being the next inline of the unified champions. If his next fight (pending his ownership of the belt) isn't against another champ i'm calling shenanigans on his "unification" speeches.

The reason I say Wlad's chin won't fail him again is because it didn't fail him in the first fight....sure he got rocked a couple times but only because he ran out of gas.

Wlad is a smarter fighter now and also considering he was coming off the Sanders loss he was fighting differently.

I see this fight being really onesided and it may actually end earlier than most think.

Bless Lamon Brewster he is a true warrior he fought through the detatched retina vs Lyakhovich and he accepted this fight as his comeback fight....AND he thanked Wlad for the offer stating "he didn't have to give me this oppertunity but I am glad he did"

There can be no loser in this fight great people in there

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Originally Posted by Lyle

There can be no loser in this fight

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I think if the fight is exciting (regardless of who wins) it would be a huge plus. Wlad wins he can continue his unification (much to my dismay) or brewster wins and theres an american buzz. Oh well step in the right direction all the same but my moneys on brewster.

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The reason I say Wlad's chin won't fail him again is because it didn't fail him in the first fight....sure he got rocked a couple times but only because he ran out of gas.

Wlad is a smarter fighter now and also considering he was coming off the Sanders loss he was fighting differently.

I see this fight being really onesided and it may actually end earlier than most think.

Bless Lamon Brewster he is a true warrior he fought through the detatched retina vs Lyakhovich and he accepted this fight as his comeback fight....AND he thanked Wlad for the offer stating "he didn't have to give me this oppertunity but I am glad he did"

There can be no loser in this fight great people in there

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I'm sorry, but I don't buy the "run out of gas" theory about the Brewster fight. I know Manny Steward saids that, too, but that's just propaganda. He ran out of gas against Ross Purrity. Corrie Sanders kicked his ass. Against Brewster, he was dominating him, he got complacent, and Brewster checked his chin. His chin failed. He SHOULD be Brewster this time around, but he also should have beat him last time. Brewster has a punchers chance, again, but his chance is less this time. Even if Wlad is dominating him, he'll have the KO in the back of his mind to keep him on point.

....no he couldn't keep his hands up because he threw too many punches in round 4 when he knocked Brewster down.


SeanE I can kind of understand your perception of the fight but ....it's totally wrong.


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Does Wlad look knocked silly or does he look tired???

Arms down, leaning in, not moving his head, not up on his toes, not fighting at distance....hhhmmmmm those sound like tired issues rather than being HURT

....also if anything would have KO'd Wlad it was going to be the left hook that Brewster landed with 44 seconds left in the round.

It's the same left hook that did this

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Wlad has his rematch with brewster (i can't watch this because i dunno how to order non-ppv hbo/showtime matches and will probably be watching the transformers movie premier) the guess is that wlad will avenge his loss but what if he doesn't? Then there would be two americans who each hold 1 of the 4 legit belts. Brewster and Briggs have a fight and we have a unified title held by an american.

edit: I'm not saying that i'd celebrate either champions reign but atleast sports shows would quit asking where the heavyweights are at.

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Won;t happen. He picked Brewster at this time for a reason.

Reason 1: He's been off for a year.

Reason 2: He just came off a detached retina surgery.

Reason 3: he's coming off a loss.

Brewster isn't going to win again.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

Wlad has his rematch with brewster (i can't watch this because i dunno how to order non-ppv hbo/showtime matches and will probably be watching the transformers movie premier) the guess is that wlad will avenge his loss but what if he doesn't? Then there would be two americans who each hold 1 of the 4 legit belts. Brewster and Briggs have a fight and we have a unified title held by an american.

edit: I'm not saying that i'd celebrate either champions reign but atleast sports shows would quit asking where the heavyweights are at.

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Klit ko's Brewster early and brutally.

I believ his chin only failed him against Sanders, The other stuff involved stamina as much as chin. Peter was hammering on the back of his head. ;D

I'm with p4p on this one. Vlad has the best chance to unify, and stabalize the heavyweight division.
After the first fight, I thought Brewster had a legitimate shot, but he don't seem to be determined enough. I give Vlad credit for rematching, and taking the risk to avenge his loss. Vlad beats him this time. Brewster, in the same sense as Peter, always has a chance though, with his heavy hands.


Bring on the young boy Chris Arreola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The boy is exciting! Might not go far, but entertaining to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.......yeah and let's say the moon crashes into the Earth!

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The moon has never crashed into the Earth before. Vlad has been knocked out by Brewster before.

Wladimir punched himself out in that fight.It had little of anything to due with Wladimir's chin!Watch the fight! :banghead:Wladimir will destroy Brewster this time!

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I'm with p4p on this one. Vlad has the best chance to unify, and stabalize the heavyweight division.
After the first fight, I thought Brewster had a legitimate shot, but he don't seem to be determined enough. I give Vlad credit for rematching, and taking the risk to avenge his loss. Vlad beats him this time. Brewster, in the same sense as Peter, always has a chance though, with his heavy hands.


Bring on the young boy Chris Arreola!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The boy is exciting! Might not go far, but entertaining to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....no he couldn't keep his hands up because he threw too many punches in round 4 when he knocked Brewster down.


SeanE I can kind of understand your perception of the fight but ....it's totally wrong.


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Does Wlad look knocked silly or does he look tired???

Arms down, leaning in, not moving his head, not up on his toes, not fighting at distance....hhhmmmmm those sound like tired issues rather than being HURT

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He looks both tired, silly, and knocked silly. Plenty of fighters get gassed and don't get KO'd. Sure, he was gassed, but if he didn't have some chin issues, he would have been able survive and regroup. Stamina played into it, sure, but it ain't the whole story, like some people make it out to be. It was only the 5th freakin round. Yes, he's gassed, then he gets caught, then it's over. If the guy has a real chin, it would have taken a little more.

This guy has been KO'd THREE times. How can you deny he has beard issues? I'll tell you why. Because if it's stamina, it can be corrected. If it's a beard, it's permanent, and people who are true believers in their fighters hope above all hope that their fighters will correct their obvious flaws. Many people want to believe that if Wlad corrects the stamina problems, something he can control, he will be unbeatable. Increased stamina will and has helped his chin, but that problem is still lurking out there. Deny if you want, but it's there.

# 1, lets all remember that brewster NEVER hrt him, he fell down from exaustion at the end of a round and couldnt get up


letter B, if brewster for some reason ended up with a W on paper vs big vladdy...


nothing good would come from it and all eyes would turn to the inevitable peter (vitali)klitschko fight to sacve rge save the do division

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# 1, lets all remember that brewster NEVER hrt him, he fell down from exaustion at the end of a round and couldnt get up


letter B, if brewster for some reason ended up with a W on paper vs big vladdy...


nothing good would come from it and all eyes would turn to the inevitable peter (vitali)klitschko fight to sacve rge save the do division

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Bull. He was out on his feet after the left hook. His hands were low because he was tired, and that's probably why he got caught with the shot, but why did he "collapse from exhaustion" when he barely threw a punch that round? He was very, very, hurt.

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# 1, lets all remember that brewster NEVER hrt him, he fell down from exaustion at the end of a round and couldnt get up


letter B, if brewster for some reason ended up with a W on paper vs big vladdy...


nothing good would come from it and all eyes would turn to the inevitable peter (vitali)klitschko fight to sacve rge save the do division

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Bull. He was out on his feet after the left hook. His hands were low because he was tired, and that's probably why he got caught with the shot, but why did he "collapse from exhaustion" when he barely threw a punch that round? He was very, very, hurt.

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Honestly watch the fight again.I have seen it more times so many times I lost count.Look at the end of round 4 when Brewster tackled Wladimir, Wladimir looked totally out of gas for some reason.He was dead tired at that point.In round 5 he took Brewsters best punches and didn't go down it was a standing 8 count!His chin never failed him it was his stamina and that is all it was.

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# 1, lets all remember that brewster NEVER hrt him, he fell down from exaustion at the end of a round and couldnt get up


letter B, if brewster for some reason ended up with a W on paper vs big vladdy...


nothing good would come from it and all eyes would turn to the inevitable peter (vitali)klitschko fight to sacve rge save the do division

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Bull. He was out on his feet after the left hook. His hands were low because he was tired, and that's probably why he got caught with the shot, but why did he "collapse from exhaustion" when he barely threw a punch that round? He was very, very, hurt.

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Honestly watch the fight again.I have seen it more times so many times I lost count.Look at the end of round 4 when Brewster tackled Wladimir, Wladimir looked totally out of gas for some reason.He was dead tired at that point.In round 5 he took Brewsters best punches and didn't go down it was a standing 8 count!His chin never failed him it was his stamina and that is all it was.

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I probably haven't watched it as much as you, but I've watched it quite a few time. I never said that stamina was not a factor at all. Look at round 5, pre left hook, then post left hook. Pre-left hook = gassed, post left hook = gassed and hurt. End of round, gassed and knocked out. He needed the standing 8 because he was out on his feet. Credit to Wlad for not going down, but he guy was hurt bad. Fighters can go down and not be hurt, or they can hurt but still on their feet.

I like Wlad a lot, and I think he's the man right now at HW. Actually, I think his chin issues make him a more interesting fighter. It leaves an air of uncertainty around his fights. Makes things more interesting.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

# 1, lets all remember that brewster NEVER hrt him, he fell down from exaustion at the end of a round and couldnt get up

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Sal, if all Vlad was doing was standing in the ring shadowboxing he would not have fallen from exhaustion. Brewster was doing something to make him exhausted.

....I'm surrounded by friggin idiots


Legend all Brewster did to make Wlad tired was get hit in the face....Lamon won ONE ROUND and it was because Wlad threw way too many punches in round 4.....perhaps you need to watch the video again.

SeanE....WHY was Wlad hurt??? Because he couldn't keep his hands up OR move because he was tired.....I REST MY CASE


Anyways thise won't matter once Wlad blasts Lamon out of the ring