Both guys are candidates for hardest puncher ever in the WW division. What would happen if these two wouls meet in the ring?
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Both guys are candidates for hardest puncher ever in the WW division. What would happen if these two wouls meet in the ring?
Hearns would have won this one easy enough. Tito did not fight the guys at welterweight near what Hearns was. Tito was almost knocked out by Yori boy. I think Hearns outjabs Tito and knocks him out in about 3.. I think in this fight it has early knockout written on it.
Hearns wins tko or ko in middle rounds unlesss he doesn't get caught with Titos left hook which is possible because sometimes Hearns fought like brawler when it wern't always to his best advantage.
I agree.
If Hearns can stay away from to many of Tito's punches he can win by middle round TKO
Hearns and Tito are both good, Hearns better I think overall .. Hearns punches were straighter which helps him in this fight. Tito would have had to get inside and land that hook and that would be hard with Hearns at 147. he was really hard to get inside with at that weight. At 160 the guy got inside more on him since he seems to have slowed down enough to get hit more.. But at 147 he was not hit by counter punches much, except Sugar Rays.
Although I agree that Hearns has some advantages in this fight and would probably win if he tried to outbox Tito, I don't believe that it would be easy like some claim.
To say that Tito would be KOed in 3 is just plain ridiculous IMO. Hopkins who is a full fledged MW was banging Tito for 12 rounds before he took him down.
Tito's right hand is also very much underrated. Tito had great power in both hands. And no one, no one could go toe to toe with him and survive long.
Bassically if Hearns decides to box, he wins by late KO. If Hearns decides to brawl I think is a toss up.
I do not think Hopkins really hit him that hard until he got the range. Hopkins used the early rounds to get points and avoid Tito's left hook. when Tito started to get a little tired and Hopkins knew he could hit Tito easy he started to take more chances. If Hopkins had put more force earlier in the punches I think he would have knocked him out earlier. Hopkins had a good tactic.
Tito took some hurtful punches off Hopkins agreed but this is Hearns we are on about and if he got hit with same punches Hopkins hit him with it would be short night for Tito.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Hitman wins by KO in the sixth
oooo...mouth watering contest. I'd have to go with Hearns but it'd be a great fight.
Certainly would.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
hearns KO
I'm on 1 of TITO'S biggest fans but this would have been tough for him. Both fighters were chinny at times,both got up and showed heart. Both had tremendous power. I think if Hearns establishes distance andrange with his jab,to set that absolutely MONSTROUS RIGHT HAND,he stops Tito,about 6 or 7 rounds. Tito's best hope would be to get inside Hearns long arms. Tito had banging powr his stright right hand and left hook so those would be the most important punches for him. The double left hook,1 downstairs,1 up,would be effective. This would be an awesome fight!
As far as i see it..
Tito has the stronger chin then Hearns
Hearns has that little bit more power.. Both were amazing at welter but hearns was lights out devastating ala roberto duran on his face
Hearns a great boxer too
Frankly.. Yes absurd to say tito gets ko'd early.. The misconception that trinidad is all too ko'able comes from the one stoppage from Hopkins.. People seem to forget he broken down incredibly..
Way i see it.. Hearns wins by Refs stoppage after tito takes incredibly hard punches and lays defenseless on the ropes.. Ala tito snapping Yuri boys head over the back rope..
But if hearns gets caught early..Then tito finishes him spectacularly.. But hearns is good enough a boxer to controll the pace and keep the fight going into mid to late rounds and be patient in waiting for his stoppage..
I love tito..But theres no shame in saying its unlikely he beats hearns..
Oh and for the record Legend.. Yuri boy so did not nearly knock out trinidad..
A flash knockdown and up at three on a short left hook is not nearly getting knocked out ;)
tito got knock down a couple times in his career so we can ? his hin
but i don't think hearns ko him
hearns ud
This fight would be alot closer than many people on this forum believe. But Hearns would win as long as he fought technically. In a brawl he simply did not have the chin to hang in there with Tito.
I tend to disagree just on the fact that Tito also does not seem to have the chin to hang in there. Do you really think Tito's chin can take a James Shuler kind of right hand by Hearns? I do not. Do I think Hearns does well with a Tito left hook? Probably not either. But I think Hearns would take it better than Tito does the right hand, and the right would probably land before the left hook of Tito. Hearns was in more wars than Tito was I think. I am not saying either guy had a great chin, but Tito's was not good either. He was knocked down by Campas -which was a arm punch. But to make it sound like Tito would have the chin in that fight I do not agree with. He and Hearns were both guys whose offense was their defense. But to be honest ,this would be a great fight. All action and guaranteed knockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil wacko3205
I think Titos chin was better by i still think Hearns would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
One thing we can all agree on is that this would be a great fight that could rival Hagler - Hearns in action. Unless of course Hearns stiks to boxing from the outside and makes it an easy night for himself. But that warrior mentality in Hearns migh get the best of him at some point.
I never considered Tito's chin to be as bad as some think. The only time he was hurt was against Hopkins and that was an acumulation of punches and fatigue after a grulling 10 rounds (He first showed signs of being hurt in the 10th)
Lets take a good look at some of the guys Tito fought who didn't hurt him.
Campas was 56-0 with 50 KOs Now he might have been fighting stiffs from his home town but we all know how tough those mexicans are and to have that many KOs is no small feat. He knocked down Tito with a short left hook and Tito got up at 3 and came back to destroy Campas in the 4th.
Oscar de la Hoya. His power might have diminished once he reached the Welterweight division and he was not exactly looking to KO Tito but he hit Tito with a hard 4 punch combo in the 5th(if I remember correctly) that would probably put most of todays WWs to sleep and Tito just walked straight through it like it was nothing.
Fernado Vargas. 20 - 0 with 18 KOs and considered a fierce punchers in the division at the time. Tito went to a full fledged 12 round war with Vargas and the only time he was in trouble was when he got unintentionally thumbed in the eye. Vargas dropped Tito but again Tito got up very quickly and did not seem hurt at any time of this fight.
William Joppy Not exactly a big puncher but a full fledged Middleweight title holder with over 20 KOs. Tito's first fight as MW and Joppy's punches did absolutely nothing to Tito.
Ricardo Mayorga One of the most fiered punchers at the time Tito again went straight to him, took his best shots and tottally out gunned Mayorga.
The only thing tito's 8/9 knockdowns in his career tells us is he has defensive issues early in fights ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by headson
Every knockdown ..(aside from the hopkins knockdown) Was an early flash knockdown.. Where trinidad would be up at two or three..And the round would end with the other guy backing off from trinidad!
Cc.. I would have said mostly the same..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Trinidad has a good chin! ALOT better then hearns'
And his boxing skill and lateral movement is one of the most underrated feat's in any fighter..
Alot of people take trinidad lightly..
Trinidad as an amatuer won 5 national titles at 5 weight classes.. Had 80 odd wins with only 15 knockouts... So if he wasnt knocking out all these guys.. The what was he doing? Boxing ;)
Thats another great example of how Power Punchers aren't born with it always 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
CC back my friend. You are right about Tito's movement being underrated. I think he fell in love with his punching power at the end of his career and lost some of that movement as he went up in weight. It cost him dearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
I think Tito was damned good,but I just cant find myself betting against the Hitman
He just had this ability to find another gear when he needed it most
Tito did not face the punchers Hearns did I do not think. Hopkins didn't even open up until the later rounds when he felt he could start pressuring Tito and land the bigger punches. Oscar was on defensive mode. Vargas hit hard ,but he could not land the home run punch needed to knock out Tito. I just think Tito's chin looked better because he got better defensively and because his reputation as a puncher increased. An example is that Hearns took Hagler's best punches in round one without really wobbling, and I am not sure Tito would have done the same. I could see Tito going down in a flash knockdown with Hagler.. Not saying in the long run his chin is weaker than Tommy, but I am not sure it is much stronger. Hearns chin being "weak" was more the result of how he delivered his punches during the time he was landing his own punches and was relaxed. I think Hearns style also was to unload all which was in the tank all almost all and hope it would stop the other guy, later he sort of stopped that risky way of fighting. If he had been a more reserved fighter he would have not been hit or countered the way he was. Tommy Hearns style and mindset almost set him up to be knocked out or in trouble. He never could sit back and win fights with the jab. His biggest flaw is that. But both guys can punch hard. Hearns was I think a greater fighter, but Tito was great also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Tito wins as long as he can take the fight past the first 3 rounds tito is a better conditioned fighter than hearns has better legs tito wins tko 10th.
Thats totally wrong Hearns stamina isn't that bad Tito would have to survive more than 3 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by panama82
If Hearns boxes I think he wins with a late KO 90% of the time...If Tommy bangs with Tito I'm still takeing the Hitman 60% of the time, but the fight aint getting past 4-5 rounds...I say this b/c I put their chins about equal, Tito might get the edge in power(not by much though) but I think Tommy has a better arsenal and accuracy, plus he was a huge WW.
Duran went 15 close rounds with a fully fledged MW in Hagler but got battered at LM by Hearns.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Tito's a very good fighter but Hearns would have KO'd him. He knew how to jump on a guy and Tito's chin was there to be hit.
Lol... You mention tito's chin ..Quote:
Originally Posted by taansend
What about hearn's
Frankly tito has a very good chin.. the only time he was ever stopped obv hopkins who broke him down and gave him a boxing lesson..
it took a long hard time to actually hurt tito.. And he was still up at nine..
hearns however didnt have a terrible chin..But it wasnt strong..
Basically hearns is a great boxer and i think he could mix his boxing and power punch his way to keeping tito off him for long enough.. But no way he stops tito.. There wouldnt be enough method to hearns taking the rounds...He would have to be prepared to take shots to get his off over the long run as he is no defensive master as hopkins is..
It would be tito ko within 5 or hearns by decision..
But i stand by hearns decision.. As he was a great boxer and i think alytough possibly rocked he at least equals titos hight as not many do and he makes it a boxing match early
Talk about a fighht between tall welters of all time :P ;)
mate,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
I didn't say Tito had a bad chin. I said "his chin is there to be hit" as shown by his deckings against lesser lights such as Anthony Stephens, Yori Boy Campas, Oba Carr and Kevin Lueshing - none of whom were in Hearns class in terms of power punching.
I actually think Tito had a decent chin once he got over Welter.
However, as a welter, Tito got caught often and early and I don't think there'd be any getting up for him against Hearns, who started fast and was especially dangerous against big hitters.
A case of styles make fights and this one has short night for Hearns all over it.
Thats cool..
Opinions is opinions..
Damn that shit was hard to type last night.. I was foooooooked :laugh:
Peace
Trinidad would get knocked the f@ck out, and knocked the f@ck out very early. One thing about Trinidad that's a huge misconception is that he was a knockout puncher. Trinidad was a great finisher, not a knockout puncher, he never took anyone out with one shot. Hearns did almost all the time. Also, Felix's chin wasn't a fraction as good as Hagler's, who had the greatest chin in the history of the sport. The straight right that Hagler ate in the first round that split his head wide open would have sent Tito out on a stretcher.
::** I can tell you have seen alot of tito..Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
No he was not a knockout puncher was he?..
See Trindad vs
- Lueshing
- Blocker
- Garcia
- Joppy
- Vargas
- Waters
And those are just his more punishing/brutal ko's
Not a knockout puncher.. 42-2 with 35 Ko's.. How did you come to this conclusion?
PLEASE, PLEASE, try to read alittle better. I said 'HE NEVER TOOK ANYONE OUT WITH ONE SHOT. Saying that is saying he doesn't have one punch knockout power, I'm not saying he doesn't have power. And sorry, but I've seen every fight you just mentioned, and not a single one of them was a one punch knockout. You saying some of them were brutal KOs is the exact same thing as me saying he was a great finisher. The fact remains though that Trinidad did not hit harder than Marvin Hagler, and Hearns lasted 3 rounds with him. In order for Tito to have a chance against Hearns, he'd have to go at least that long without tasting that straight right, and with Trinidad's defense (or lack thereof), I think you and I both know that ain't happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
So were talking one punch kos then what were lueshing, blocker and joppy then?
Fact is you are grossly underrating trinidad
Good fight, but I'm kind of shocked that people think Tito has the better beard. Hearns may have gotten knocked out by Hagler, but for three rounds he went to war with him like nobody else ever dared to. It could be a great fight, but Tito's got factors against him. Not only is he a late starter, but he gets knocked down early frequently, moreso in his prime than later.
I like Tito, but I'm a big Hearns fan. Even putting that aside, I don't think Tito would be able to survive the onslaught after the first knockdown, whichever round it comes in.
dude, here's the entire Maurice Blocker fight man. Can you please explain to me how someone can call this a one punch KO, considering the fact that tito pummels him with like 5 or 6 shots before he goes down ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-JjGr3GoQ
My opinion on this is that if Hearns decided to box he would get an easy UD. But if Hearns decided to fight then it would be a replay of Hearns - Hagler that lasted a bit longer and had more KDs with Tito finishing Hearns in 6 or 7.
The way I see it. Nobody could go toe to toe with Tito and expect to win. Too many people tried it and they all failed. Among them some pretty big pounchers as I listed in another post.
Hearns on the other hand was beaten at his own game by both Hagler and Leonard. I know both of these guys are all time greats, but the fact remains that that never happend to Tito, not once. The only men to beat Tito were defensive minded fighters who out boxed him
A one punch knockout doesnt have to be first shot in the first round ffs..Quote:
Originally Posted by smashcrusher
The fact of the matter is its one round, Maurice didnt have to go through rounds and rounds of punishment..
The shot that did him was one left hook and he was out on his feet with his eyes closed.. Thats the one punch..
You can blatantly see he is already as good as on his face as he starts to fall..But its fair game that tito nails him twice more on his way down