but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
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but he did not take advantage of it. mayweather seems to have got the most of his boxing skill. i mean he is a gym rat. if zab had the same mind set he would have been the better fighter.
I don't think so mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
i think so mate.
zabs not what he could be
Maybe so but even when he is at his best i've never seen anything exceptional from Judah to be honest yes he is quick but very weak minded and suspect chin and to say he would of been better than Mayweather if his head was more clear is totally untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
what i mean is if he took total advantage of his gifts the way mayweather does. y do u think mayweather is so good because he is a GYM RAT. that with the talant. now think off judah with that mind set and theat work ethic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoRkP-iC9w0
my nigga
Mayweather is natural talent aswell he just makes sure he improves on it by training very very hard like every champion should Zab is not as good as Mayweather simple as i don't care if Zab had totally different mind set simple facts are he just isn't as good.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
if zab comes to the cotto fight like he did agaisnt mayweather i dont expect the fight to last 5 rounds.
mayweather vs zab judah was boxing art i have watched that fight 10 to 15 times
Disagree why do you think Zab would stop Cotto in 5 if he is in same mindset like he was against Mayweather ?? all i see in that fight was Mayweather wern't used to someone that fast he easily adjusted and dominated the fight and Zab was lucky not to get stopped in 10 or 11 can't quite remember which round but he pulled dirty tactic to survive Zab will do well in Cotto fight for first few rounds then he will punish Zabs body and win in 10th and Zab has never ever beaten a good solid puncher like Cotto everytime he has been in with puncher he lost aka Kostya and Carlos so imo i doubt his luck will change in this fight with young hungry fighter like Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
I love Judah. Mayweather's better. Case closed.
It is what it is: mayweather is just a better fighter. Forget the What ifs...Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
I disagree . one of the most important "natural talents" to have in boxing is work ethic . . Zab has shown inconsistencies in that area.
What substantial proof do you have... Mayweather is an extremely focused, poised and intelligent fighter.. Who has heart.
Zab is none of that
Yeah...if anything ocmes natural to anyone it is a mindset. That's it. Zab is faster and more powerful then Mayweather. But Zab just isn't a top fighter.
Zab has the more natural talent to get KTFO!!!!!!!!!!! :D
If you compare p4p I disagree. At welterweight it was clearly true that Zab could hit harder, and was still as fast, but Mayweather at 130 or 135 was p4p as good of a puncher as Zab at 147, and almost as good as Zab 140, but faster of foot, and hand. Both Oscar who has fought Mosley, and Baldomir who already fought Zab were suprised by just how fast Mayweather really is. Against Zab Mayweather was punching more to land than to get steam behind his punches, and thats why they didn't look as quick that night.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
Zab probably does have the more "physical" talent. But we will never know will we? Zab didn't take advantage of it when he was truly peaking, he's still in his quote unquote prime but this is his last chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
um, nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
I think they're pretty even p4p. Except Mayweather has a far better chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Zab will go down in boxing history as one of the greatest wasted talents ever. He has not been the same since Tszyu rocked his world in 2001. He had one good win against Spinks and that's it since then, he is capable of anything and Cotto knows this, Mayweather is a better fighter than Zab and that must be conceded. This is Zab's last chance and like a wounded lion i expect him to perform knowing that it really is his last chance. He loses this fight and he won't get another shot for years or ever.
You need more than natural talent to win big fights sometimes and i wonder if Zab has anything other than that going for him.
Zab is a case of coulda shoulda woulda doesn't
Soon that will change, I am confident.
He will be a case of coulda shoulda woulda didn't
The only way to prove the premise of the thread subject is to prove it: do the work, develop the mindset, and go from could, would should to does and did.
Without that proof from Judah, the only legit response is: Maybe so, maybe not, doesn't matter.
We waste so much time on what Judah coulda, mighta. Be nice if he did the same.
Zab has million dollar skills and a ten cent brain
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Zab has good speed but overall he is only a "good" fighter. Not even very good...
Zab @ his best is dynamic but he doesn't always show up!!!
how can you say his chin is better if it wasnt tested? nobody has hit mayweather flush yet.. and when they do.. then you could post thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Zab caught Floyd good.....JLC hit him hard....De la Hoya landed some good shots.
You land flush on ANYONE and they'll go down.....being able to stand up to the good hard shots is good enough for me to say his chin is decent.
Zab wobbles anytime he gets hit....Baldomir rocked him!!!!!
baldomir rocked him???i didnt see that one.. but if he did i dunno how much of that power really landed since every time anybody punches floyd they get the shoulder first..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
and nobody said anything about judah having a good chin
....check it out 1:36 into the clip Zab goes all rubbery in the legs from a shot by Carlos Baldomir
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dude, i wasnt quoting against judah, i am replying to the post that says "mayweather has a better chin". youre replying to me all wrong man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
how does he have more natural talent? Mayweather is not hit by punches which Zab is. Zab is not great fighter, he is a good talent who has a very weak chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000