Do you think Sam Peter hits harder than Dempsey, louis, marciano, foreman liston

first i would say watch this fight with peter weighin in at 230ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXftL...elated&search=

now here he weighs 240ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jg9...elated&search=

after watching them fights i was in awe of peters power. even when he misses, skims his opponents you can HEAR his power. his is very sharp aswell which makes him even more dangerous.
his shots seem very very very AND VERY HEAVY!

watching these fights i can hear every peter shot and it just makes them look more deadly. i kno dempsey louis marciano foreman and liston hit hard but unfortunetly you cant hear it on their fights like you could hear it on the two above fights.

my question is...do you think peter could punch harder than dempsey, marciano, louis, foreman or liston?
im not sure.

i know for example foreman and liston were murderous punchers but louis, dempsey and marciano who weighed under 200 pound at their best, im not sure if their punch was harder than a samuel peters? what do u think?

foreman hardest hitting heavyweight
peter it hard but level of opponents
if he ko maskaev ore one of the v.klitchkos we can talk

Sam Peter doesn't hit THAT hard....sure he's a KO puncher but he is wide and slaps with his punches whereas Louis snapped his punches, Dempsey, Foreman, and Marciano really used their legs when they threw their punches.


I would say Sam Peter is one of the best power punchers today but as far as ALL-TIME he's not even close.

Guys like Lewis, Tyson, Frazier, Wladimir, Vitali, Foreman, Shavers, Rocky, Dempsey, and others are ahead of Sam.

my answer is this...


if he threw clean shots with good form (which he may be to muscular to do) he probably would hit as hard or harder then all of them except maybe foreman, but he doesnt know how to get that much power from his shots, although he is till probably the second hardest hitter alive


he needs to hook up with freddy roach, then he would be a real deal hard hitter

I still think that Sam has the potential to be the future of the division... He's young and developing, you can see it and 24 rounds with James Toney has only helped him develop in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

I still think that Sam has the potential to be the future of the division... He's young and developing, you can see it and 24 rounds with James Toney has only helped him develop in my opinion.

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if he fights in the futute like he fought in the second toney fight he will be a dangerous force to anyone but big vladdy, sultan, and vitali, but i think he may think to himself that he doesnt need the jab anymore now that toney is out of the way, i hope not cuz jabbing peter is the fucking man

Peter's power is impressive. Because he was bigger than the smaller guys, he might hit harder. who knows. Louis had heavy hands, and dropped people with jabs. And Marciano's whole arm dissappeared into his victim. You couldn't even see his elbow. That's an extremely hard punch.And, those guys were more accurate then Sam. There's no way to say for sure, who hits harder, but I think The little guys could knock out the sam guys that Peter has. I wouldn't say that Peter is the hardest hitter ever. Some of the recent heavies have hit harder.

Foreman might have the heaviest hands. Lennox could crumble anyone with his right. Max Baer killed guys with his punches. Sam is not at the top, but I wouldn't what to get hit by him. ;)

hmm i suppose not.

if we could hear the sounds of dempseys, foremans or sonny listons punches then maybe i'd know for sure. i know liston punched hard, i mean he totally destroyed opponents at the highest level!

Well let's see if I can help you out Lionheart

Jack Dempsey-Jess Willard (Dempsey is 180-190 pounds and Willard is 6'6 245)
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"Big" George Foreman Highlite (one of my favorites ever)
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Joe Louis-Max Schmelling
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Rocky Marciano highlite (he's 185 pounds)
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thanks for the links!
its beautiful watching louis punch, short sharp and extremly powerful!

dempsey totally slaughtered willard that fight. i guess weight isnt everything, these guys have proved it!

Guys who weigh 185 don't hit harder than guys who weigh 240, it's just a fact. Dempsey, Marciano, even Joe Louis (he was around 205) don't come close to the power of the average heavyweight today. It's just science.

The thing about Joe Louis is he ALWAYS knew his range.....he'd stalk his victim down and BANG it's like his punches were always PERFECT.

Some of Rocky's punches were surprising....the delayed effect of the power was crazy and he didn't care how he hit you, where he hit you, or what he hit you with, you were going down! VS Archie Moore he hit him with his fists, forearms, and on the head, to the body, and behind the head until Moore just collapsed


Samson.....it may be true but only if the bigger guy throws their punches in the best technical way. Rocky and Louis especially had very good technical styles when it came to their right crosses and the only guys today I can think of who have similar technical ability are The Klitschko's.

As for the hooks, Sam Peter doesn't throw hooks like Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, or Dempsey...Sam Peter doesn't use his legs as much as those guys, he swings with his upper body therefore not getting the kind of power he could generate

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Originally Posted by Lyle

The thing about Joe Louis is he ALWAYS knew his range.....he'd stalk his victim down and BANG it's like his punches were always PERFECT.

Some of Rocky's punches were surprising....the delayed effect of the power was crazy and he didn't care how he hit you, where he hit you, or what he hit you with, you were going down! VS Archie Moore he hit him with his fists, forearms, and on the head, to the body, and behind the head until Moore just collapsed


Samson.....it may be true but only if the bigger guy throws their punches in the best technical way. Rocky and Louis especially had very good technical styles when it came to their right crosses and the only guys today I can think of who have similar technical ability are The Klitschko's.

As for the hooks, Sam Peter doesn't throw hooks like Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, or Dempsey...Sam Peter doesn't use his legs as much as those guys, he swings with his upper body therefore not getting the kind of power he could generate

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Personally if I was going to have to get hit in the face by any of these fighters I would choose Louis or Dempsey because of their smaller size. They would hurt for sure but hopefully not kill me.

I'd cry like a little bitch if I was tied up and awaiting to feel one of Sam Peters punches.

I think he probably does have more one-punch knockout power than those smaller punchers from yesteryears like Dempsey, Marciano and Louis. I've never seen either of them throw a punch with the power that I've seen Peter throw.

But I think Foreman and Liston are well above him in terms of punching power. Both (expecially Foreman) just hit freakishly hard.

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Personally if I was going to have to get hit in the face by any of these fighters I would choose Louis or Dempsey because of their smaller size. They would hurt for sure but hopefully not kill me.

I'd cry like a little bitch if I was tied up and awaiting to feel one of Sam Peters punches.

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I'd rather be hit by Sam Peter.....because he has yet to really hurt anyone the way Dempsey and Louis hurt their foes....would you like to be Jess Willard when he had a broken jaw, ribs, and nose and spit and blood was coming out of his cheeks....or would you like to be Max Schmelling when he was torn apart by Joe Louis???

Sam Peter's punches are hard but they don't do as much physical or cosmetic damage to fighters as the older guys punches did

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Sam Peter's punches are hard but they don't do as much physical or cosmetic damage to fighters as the older guys punches did

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Yeah but you fail to mention the different rules, and the fact that fights were allowed to go on MUCH longer back in the old days.

Can you imagine the damage Sam Peter could do if he was allowed to stand over his opponent while he was getting up, like Dempsey was able to do against Williard?

.....well I don't think it would matter as much as the gloves being different

I think Louis doesn't have the hardest punch like he was labelled nor does Dempsey they simply too small to punch that hard. I know its about technique, but there have been a lot bigger guys with "the punch" like Tyson and Tua for example. Foreman IMO hit very hard, but he wasn't a one punch kind of guy, and he was still 6'4 220 which is pretty skinny compared to the 6'5 240 Lennox who is 20 pounds heavier, but one inch taller. Marciano was like Pacquaio is now... a guy who wears you down more than one hit knocks you out.

Anyone who thinks Rocky Marciano or Jack Demsey hit harder than Sam Peter or George Foreman can classify themselves in this group:

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very easy answer.
Hell No

No one ever has or ever will hit as hard as marciano going down the line then you have foreman (raw power) and tyson (not as strong as foreman but has speed and nasty combos) Louis (not as hard as tyson but same concept) then you have dempsey.

i've come to the conclusion that peters shots are heavier because of his weight. if louis or liston were that weight then they would have punched alot harder!

still even a 200 pound louis punch would have what i would call more of electric shock in his punch than peter. sams punches are jus heavier.

I agree that Sam Peter is a big puncher but he's not in the same power league as George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Earnie Shavers etc.

Peter is an awesome puncher bigger than Dempsey and Marciano but Foreman i don't think so but only time will tell

he hits hard, not as hard as the older heavys but he has heavy ko power and thats why i give toney credit for taking those punches

It really shows a lot when Sam Peter's biggest KO came against one of the heavyweights with one the WEAKEST chins ever in the history of the sport.


Louis had snap on his punches....Peter hits someone and it's a thud.....it's like comparing the power of Fernando Vargas vs the power of Shane Mosley or Tito Trinidad.

Dempsey and Tyson are very similar in their style of punching and the weight difference was too much I mean 30 pounds

Foreman had both kinds of power, just the raw thudding power and then the very crisp punching power as well and I think it's very similar to how Marciano threw punches....Rocky could have snap on his punches or just rare back and let loose with wild haymakers.



As far as how hard Sam Peter hits....maybe it's physically harder than these old guys but he's not as effective with his power, meaning he rarely KO's people the way they did, and he hasn't KO'd anyone that's surprising.....Foreman taking Frazier out in 2 rounds was SURPRISING.....Dempsey blasting Jess Willard out was SURPRISING......Rocky KOing Charles and Walcott was SURPRISING.....Louis was just plain scary in the ring, he whipped Max Baer EASILY amongst others

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Sam Peter doesn't hit THAT hard....sure he's a KO puncher but he is wide and slaps with his punches whereas Louis snapped his punches, Dempsey, Foreman, and Marciano really used their legs when they threw their punches.


I would say Sam Peter is one of the best power punchers today but as far as ALL-TIME he's not even close.

Guys like Lewis, Tyson, Frazier, Wladimir, Vitali, Foreman, Shavers, Rocky, Dempsey, and others are ahead of Sam.

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wladdy is on your list but he couldn't put Peter down and Peter put him down 3 times. Hhmmm, interesting.

Bx730NY....Sam Peter couldn't put Wlad away where as if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won.

Sam's chin is pretty good but that has nothing to do with his or Wlad's power....and nor does the fact Sam hit Wlad behind the head......a very HUGE sign that Sammy doesn't hit as effectively as other fighters.



Your dislike of Wladimir has no point in any argument that can go on in here given the topic at hand.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Bx730NY....Sam Peter couldn't put Wlad away where as if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won.

Sam's chin is pretty good but that has nothing to do with his or Wlad's power....and nor does the fact Sam hit Wlad behind the head......a very HUGE sign that Sammy doesn't hit as effectively as other fighters.



Your dislike of Wladimir has no point in any argument that can go on in here given the topic at hand.

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You have GOT to be joking ::** Do you honestly believe that Marciano, Dempsey, or Louis would even be competitive with a 6'6 245 lb fighter like Wlad to begin with ::** (please don't try comparing an un-coordinated, walking tomato can with zero skills like Jess Willard to Wladimir Klitchko).

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Bx730NY....Sam Peter couldn't put Wlad away where as if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won.

Sam's chin is pretty good but that has nothing to do with his or Wlad's power....and nor does the fact Sam hit Wlad behind the head......a very HUGE sign that Sammy doesn't hit as effectively as other fighters.



Your dislike of Wladimir has no point in any argument that can go on in here given the topic at hand.

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You have GOT to be joking ::** Do you honestly believe that Marciano, Dempsey, or Louis would even be competitive with a 6'6 245 lb fighter like Wlad to begin with ::**

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I agree. I'm beginning to think there's certain people on this board that simply cannot grasp the concept of reality. Earlier in this thread, there are people who actually say, 'well if Marciano or Dempsey weighed 245, they'd hit harder than Sam Peter.' This is about the dumbest and furthest thing from the truth that can be said. Do you honestly believe a fighter adding close to SIXTY POUNDS will not at all affect the way he fights ??? Different people are different sizes. Just because Dempsey and Marciano are shorter, doesn't mean that no one their height can be naturally heavier. Tyson is the same height as both and NATURALLY 30 pounds bigger than both. It's called genetics. Different people have different genetics. Rocky and Jack simply are not big enough to compete with most remotely skilled heavyweights in history. It's not to detract from their accomplishments, because they fought who was put in front of them (with the exception of Dempsey refusing to fight any Black fighter of course ;)). The point is, when you say Rocky Marciano would only need to get up to 245 to be the hardest hitter of all time, you sound about as dumb as someone saying that if Tommy Hearns moved up to heavyweight, his right hand power would carry up to that weight with him. It's just dumb ;)

.....I didn't say they would compete with Wladimir ....read my post again

I said and I quote "if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won"

once again buddies that's IF

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.....I didn't say they would compete with Wladimir ....read my post again

I said and I quote "if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won"

once again buddies that's IF

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If Manny Paqciaou had Tommy Morrison in front of him as hurt and unconcious as he was against Ray Mercer, Manny would probably finish him off. The point is that would NEVER happen, because a fighter so small could never put a good fighter so big in that position, so it's a completely moot point.

Go the fuck on with that shit......now you are just being ridiculous Pac is 130 Tommy was damn 100 pounds heavier than that.


Did you not fucking read the people I had in that quote FOREMAN.....TYSON......oh but they were all too small to hurt anyone.


I suppose all the little guys should just hang up their gloves and let Nicolay Valuev win everything.....could Sam Peter KO him???? Sam is a lot smaller than Valuev.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Go the F*** on with that S***......now you are just being ridiculous Pac is 130 Tommy was damn 100 pounds heavier than that.


Did you not F****** read the people I had in that quote FOREMAN.....TYSON......oh but they were all too small to hurt anyone.


I suppose all the little guys should just hang up their gloves and let Nicolay Valuev win everything.....could Sam Peter KO him???? Sam is a lot smaller than Valuev.

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;D ;Dlmao at you getting mad when the undeniable truth about your overrated idol Marciano is thrown in your face ;D

Rocky is not my idol


and you're being a shmuck....for what reason I don't know.....is it your heavy flow day?

He hit's harder then Dempsey and Marciano but not Foreman or Shavers....The again though Peter has a harder one punch power over Marciano and Dempsey...

Jack and Rocky could land every shot with the same authority...

.....everyone seems to forget Earnie Shavers was only 6'0 tall and 210 pounds.....but I guess that doesn't matter much seeing how SIZE doesn't affect anyone but Rocky and Dempsey

Well I want to bump this up for Skyler and Samson to explain to me how a relatively tiny heavyweight in the form of Earnie Shavers is considered one of the hardest punchers in ANY era of the sport and yet guys like Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and the much larger JOE LOUIS are not considered (by those forum members) as very hard power punchers.


Please explain to me how that is.....explain to me how Earnie Shavers, the 6'0 210 pound heavyweight was able to startch out the much bigger Ken Norton and floor the much bigger Larry Holmes....both boxing greats.


Also I would like to know how Jess Willard is a no talent bum when he's destroyed by Jack Dempsey but yet he was able to KO Jack Johnson one of the greatest heavyweights ever

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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy

first i would say watch this fight with peter weighin in at 230ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXftL...elated&search=

now here he weighs 240ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jg9...elated&search=

after watching them fights i was in awe of peters power. even when he misses, skims his opponents you can HEAR his power. his is very sharp aswell which makes him even more dangerous.
his shots seem very very very AND VERY HEAVY!

watching these fights i can hear every peter shot and it just makes them look more deadly. i kno dempsey louis marciano foreman and liston hit hard but unfortunetly you cant hear it on their fights like you could hear it on the two above fights.

my question is...do you think peter could punch harder than dempsey, marciano, louis, foreman or liston?
im not sure.

i know for example foreman and liston were murderous punchers but louis, dempsey and marciano who weighed under 200 pound at their best, im not sure if their punch was harder than a samuel peters? what do u think?

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The guy is overall, covering all aspects of boxing.. OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CC Duke.....thank God SOMEONE on this thread doesn't have their head up Sam's ass!