mayweather is out...he can't handle pressure...fragile.
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mayweather is out...he can't handle pressure...fragile.
Your right he get's ko'd everytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBONE
I agree. He's gotten lucky 38 times in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBONE
.....his hands YES.....all around probably not.
After watching the ODH-PBF replay I would love to see how Floyd would handle Miguel Cotto's power
Come on are you serious? He'd make Cotto look foolish. Anyone who gets outboxed by Oktay Urkal ain't gonna do shit to the pretty boyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
True but Cotto is a guy who doesn't give a shit where he hits you, he KO'd Branco with a shot to the shoulder.
I think attacking PBF's body (chest and arms included) would really help beat his defense......then again I just want to see Miguel Cotto land a left hook on Floyd.
PBF would be too quick, but I can dream can't I? Shame there is no Tommy Hearns around to startch out this punk
I actually still believe the guys with the best chance to beat Floyd at welter are the likes of Margarito and Williams. Just their sheer size will cause him problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
We all saw Oscar put pressure on Floyd early in a way we've not really seen before. Someone like Margarito or Williams might be able to follow that up more.
It's ironic, I feel Margarito will batter Williams into a bloody pulp, but Williams just because of his sheer length might represent one of the biggest challenges to Floyd.
I'm 95% sure that Floyd outboxes Cotto with ease, he would destroy Hatton. He'd be too quick for Mosely.
That leaves Williams and Margarito as the only real candidates to beat him, although I'd quite like to see how he would handle Kasim Ouma's relentless punches. Ouma would drop down to fight him I'm sure but no way in hell Floyd would ever take that fight as the money just wouldn't be there which is a shame as Kasim's workrate and proven chin and stamina would give Floyd a hard night's work.
Cotto was far from getting outboxed by Urkal. I'd love to see how Floyd could handle his pressure. Probably would be schooled, but like Lyle, I want to see that left hook and De La Hoya showed that some pressure with punches out and front can give Mayweather problems. And that is hope if nothing else for Miguel. I want to see the fight in about 1.5 - 2 years time when Cotto has some more polish.
I doubt he'd be too quick for Shane. Shane is a good solid fighter and he'd learn from Oscar's fight with PBF.....I doubt PBF takes that fight though.
Margarito is crap.....Williams is too big to be fighting at 147 anyways, once he moves up to 154 and 160 he'll have a lot more energy.
I think when Floyd first moved up to 140 Ricky may have had a chance but now he's used to the weight and his pressure wouldn't do much to Floyd, and besides Ricky gets cut easy.
I think a style more like Trinidad's would have been better....Tito wasn't one for moving well but man he could fight on the outside very well.....Winky Wright would be good against PBF too
Mayweather is very hard to hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't know if Cotto has enough speed to keep up with Mayweather.
Floyd did say he would like to fight Cotto.
He still puts down Margarito and says the numbers aint right for a Margarito/Mayweather Jr. fight. He also put down Shane Mosley, calling him a sparring partner.
I find this sort of strange because he said Cotto was chinny. Those were his exact words.
I wonder if he does fear Margarito and Mosley?
He is obviously picking the fighter he finds chinny as a possible challenge and yet I think Mosley would be a great fight. Floyd ain't dumb. There is something about Tony's style that does not sit right with Floyd. Hector Arroyo who is not that good, has a wild style and he gave Floyd a nice fight until the end of the 4th and into the 5th. Tony has never been knocked out.
....as I stated before his HEAD moves, his body stays put. Hit him on the arms and in the chest enough times and he won't like it.
He doesn't get missed by EVERYTHING
How can you even compare Cotto's power to Oscar's? Do people forget how hard Oscar hits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
.....well Oscar had a hard time getting off clean vs Floyd and the main reason was that he didn't use the jab and Floyd didn't throw the uppercut so ODH could counter with the left hook.
Cotto is on the rise and he may just hit harder than Oscar right now
And why on earth would Cotto have an easier time getting off against Floyd?? I just don't understand, I mean Oscar is clearly faster than Miguel.. Cotto still hasn't really fought anyone. If DLH fought almost anyone besides Floyd, let alone fought anyone who was of the calibre which Cotto has faced, he would have looked spectacular last week. Ricardo Mayorga is way better than anyone Cotto has fought for crying out loud. It's strange how quickly people will just hype up the next guy's chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
for me cotto loses too mayweather just won't be able to keep up with PBF and he won't be able to hit him.
magarito would be beaten also it'd be arturo gatti all over again except maybe tony would last the distance cus he's a lot younger.
williams would be beaten he def needs to move up in weight.
sorry guys but them three fighters for me dnt cause PBF a problem in the ring for two reasons they won't be able to land enough on him and secondly floyd's handspeed would be at them all night.
tito would be interesting though and unless floyd is willing to go above 154 i don't think anyone can really beat him apart form maybe SSM.....but thats just my opinion
You beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I guess I must have been sleeping when Cotto turned into the second coming of Mike Tyson. He couldn't KO Urkal or Malignaggi, yet he's a better puncher than Oscar? Makes no sense.
Let's see what Cotto does on June 9th before we start raving about his power.
Fragile he must be because Oscar ko'd him no thats right Mayweather won that fight as well as 37 others making him unbeaten in 38 a 5 weight champ 6 time world champ he's taken some big punches along the way and never been down so how is he fragile i don't get this topic
And very wealthy!
The problem with that Lyle is, while someone is wasting time hitting Mayweather in the shoulder or the arm, Floyd would be busy, cleaning them up with counters...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Ask Oscar how hard Floyd hits, he buckled Oscars knees a few times.... You think Cotto has the chin of Delahoya NO NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
So yea perfect strategy Fuk around and waste punches and energy bt hitting shoulders, and get your bell rung in return...
mayweather can handle pressure easily. he's hasn't lost you boob.
that proves it and being fragile, he took de la hoyas shots. most of them weren't clean but he still took them
Who got outboxed by Urkal???Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Althouigh i think floyd would beat both cotto nd hatton i dont c how people think cotto would do well nd hatton would get spanked i mean cotto does have more one punch power but thats it, i think how cotto does against juda will give u some sign of how he would do against floyd so ill think more bout his chances after that nd i also agree he doesnt hit as hard as oscar
How are you going to counter when you're getting hit in the arms? I mean you need your arms to throw punches and they can't very well throw a punch while accepting a punch at the same time.....it's just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Also if you sort of keep Floyd on the defensive and blocking maybe you find an opening....maybe we should just wait for a light to fall from the ceiling to KO Floyd.
Not being a smartass but he aint hitting both arms at the same time.... ;) I keep telling you guys but Floyd is a special talent and after the Delahoya fight, I am convinced his defense is better than Winky,Hopkins and Toney... Floyd wont be getting KO'D anytime soon just like Whitaker didntQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....Judah caught him good.....Floyd counts on his speed and reflexes and much like RJJ he'll get caught one of these days
Every great fighter gets caught and rocked..... just like a tailback gets tackled, but only a few never get that devastating or injury resulting hit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Never disagreed with you more Roy isint even a quarter of the defensive mastery and fundamentals Floyd has, Floyds Hybrid Philly shell is completely and 100% effective... Floyd has what Roy had athltically except power, but relies on his fundamentals 1st and athletic ability 2nd
It's not that Cotto is a harder puncher then De La Hoya, it's that he's a pressure fighter. And he's not going to smother Floyd on the ropes, and when Cotto has a little more polish and does more of what he did in the Quintana fight in regards to throwing on the outside then I think he can present a legitimate challenge to Floyd. Right now, probably not, a year or two if he keeps progressing at this rate, I think so.
Some periods, commas, etc...would help...what????Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
i dunno but i see a lot of people here giving margarito a lot of credit.. i havent seen much of his fights but the last fight he fought with clottey he couldnt even hurt a hurt clottey. and i dont think he will catch pbf either given pbf's style..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
if cotto if is able to land a punch then will see. i say PBF KO's cotto with multiple straight righthands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
PBF power is underrated at these higherweights. every since he left 130 people act like he can't hit. DLH definetly respected PBF power.
as Wlad Klitschko said "Floyd's speed kills" and that it does....he is a very accurate puncher as well
all i know is that mayweather has fragile hands...Quote:
Originally Posted by TBONE
Oscar kept coming forward since round 1, what respect? Trinidad respected Oscar's power (especially rounds 1 - 4 ). Oscar respected Trinidad's power. BUT FLOYD??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... :cwm27:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
I have to agree with Bilbo. I think Margarito and Williams both can give pbf a run for his money. Everyone wants to bag on Margarito because they say he hasn't fought anyone. It's hard to do that when everyone runs from you. If you think Margarito vs. pbf would be the same as pbf vs gatti then you're sadly mistaken. Floyd ran from that fight because he was pretty certain of what would happen. I guarantee you that Margarito's punches are significantly stronger than ODH and Carlos Baldomir. And as for Floyd being to quick, Margarito has the wingspan of a Dragon and could keep Floyd in his wheelhouse for the better part of the fight. Power and style are the reasons Floyd ran from this fight. It' s the reason Oscar wouldn't fight Margarito either. As for Paul Williams, I'm interested to see what he does against Margarito. If he wins, Floyd should fight him. Floyd always talks about how he's undefeated, if Williams wins, lets see these to undefeated fighters slug it out. Williams is another guy with a big wing span and good power. He and Floyd have a common opponent in Sharmba Mitchell. Floyd ko'd him in 6, Williams ko'd him in 4.
He abandoned the jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jman76
If that doesn't tell you respect, what does?
If he didn't respect Floyd's power, he would've been unloading that awesome jab.
But he's weary of the counter right.
That's respect.
PBF is just too greasy.
The way to beat him is to find out if he's fragile. By that I mean rough him up, like Hatton fought Tszyu. Push,shove, run into him with your shoulders, hit his body, his arms, lean on him. When PBF goes to the ropes and in his shell ready to roll or block punches, lean on him and push him into the ropes, hit him in the body while their breaking, etc.
ODH said he was going to make it a rough fight, but that is really not his style. I think he had the gameplan to beat PBF, but it's not his style to fight that way so he didn't execute it well enough.
I just can't see how Floyd is fragile. I guess he crumbles every time someone hits him. ???
;D That's it! You found out the secret! The part of the training the cameras don't show, is Floyd rubbing Crisco all over himself like a sick pervert, so none of his opponents punches land flush!LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by meowza