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JTRock said this would be an interesting topic for debate and keeping that in mind I have made this thread.
These guys are both old school battlers and it would be a fight you could have in a phone booth as neither man backed down much.
How do you see it happening?
rocky ko -10--he would beat that tub of lard just like he did cockell
I think Toney's defense would work well enough to keep him on his feet for the most part but he'd get the shit beat out of him because Rocky never stopped beating anyone up
Rocky eventually breaks Toney down with body work. Great fight, and would have love to seen it, if it were possible.
this would be a mismatch. seriously. as u may have gathered by now im not a biased person.
i think ames Toney would give Rocky Marciano a boxing lesson! and maybe in the later rounds stop him. if the fight takes place below 200pounds then i see rocky getting to the final bell if its a 12 rounder. if its a fight over 200 pounds then toney by ko becos in my opinion toney punched alot harder at HW than CW.
i have studied both fighters and imo toney has awesome defensive skills which are all wrong for the rock. i see this fight similar to toney jirov although i think toney would occasionally move back and land some big bombs. however the rock is always dangerous, with a murderous right hand. still i think toney has the chin and the defense to get thru anything the rock throws!
this is not samuel peter we're tlking about here, toney is bigger than marciano. taller and has a longer reach.
still this would be an amazing fight if it was possible to happen! You guys jus dont know how good toney is if you think he'll get stop, he is one of the few fighters have studied and tyson, and im in awe of their boxing skill/defensive cunningness. Toney is too much for the rock....imo
I get what you're saying, but no way ever does Toney KO Rocky. Rocky has eaten alot more leather from harder hitters and was never KOd. Toney wouldn't do it either. If anyone gets KOd, it's Toney 4 sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
I really don't see the reach playing a factor and considering that most of Toney's power punches were not so quick once he was heavier....they were rounded (a lot like his body) looping punches.....effective but just as easy for someone to roll with them and he rolled with hooks.
Also with James Toney's defense it would be hard to counter a guy who kept coming at him and kept throwing a la Foreman-Holyfield....George used the cross block and it sapped his ability to counter.
It would be a good tough fight though, far tougher than Toney-Jirov
Toney pretty much stands in front of you and slips punches and bends at the waist and blocks punches with arms, and anybody standing in front of Marciano would eventually get hammered into the canvas, and the way Marciano pounded your arms and shoulders, this would get ugly for Toney. Marciano wears Toney down and knocks him silly!
Rocky's tenacity and grittiness would overcome Toney's spurts.
Marciano by brutal tko.
I dont know about Marciano... The shape Toney was in against Holyfield, he would be able to Absorb the Rocks punches, Toney has sneaky speed and counters, Rocky used to Pony Express in his punches and you cant do that VS Toney he will pick you apart, not to mention the counters coming back at Marciano... even tho a steam roller keeps coming dosent mean I cant repeatedly get out of the way....
Toney is a Bona Fied Bad Azz and just an Old School tough Guy... With a mean streak and a ton of Pride, Know one KO'S James Toney.... Not even Rocky Marciano
No way Rocky Hits harder than Sam Peter, I would fancy Sam Peter to beat Marciano if they fought
archie moores defensive skills were also suppose 2b 2 much for marciano---didnt work--Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
well james toney has never been hit with a punch as hard as rockys overhand right--marciano would wear toney down then late koQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think HW Toney would play right into Marciano's hands. Eventually Marciano would break him down IMO. I could see Toney winning on cuts in the mid rounds due to his sharp counter punching, but I'd have to take Marciano in a HW bout.
Why are these marciano fights so hard to pick? Marciano hits really hard but toney has an ATG chin and great defense i'm actually going with toney by UD on this one.
I could easily see that happening. If he came into the fight in shape like he was when he was at Cruiser or the holyfield fight, he could beat the rock. The Toney that came to fight against Rahman gets beat IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
a cruiser toney is the one i had in mind because then the weights even about the same.
SIMPLE, because no one ever beat the guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Ok, but who's the best fighter he beat? And were they anywhere near what they once were... The Toney that beat Holyfield at HW would have schooled Marciano, no doubt in my mind. Rocky just didn't have enough talent to fight on the same level as James. It's easy to get caught up with Marciano's reputation or status all time, but be honest with yourself... Go home and watch Marcianos best performances, any fights you like, then do the same with Toney... There's no way Rocky could have beaten him if you ask me. I wouldn't expect him to get KOed but he certainly would get a boxing lesson big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Rocky fought guys a lot better than Montel Griffin, Hasim Rahman, John Ruiz, Sam Peter, and Drake Thazdi
I imagine that you simply see Rocky as a crude over rated brawler. Now Rocky may not pretty, but he had more skills than mostpeople give him credit for, he could set up traps, counter, and feint. He was also unorthodox which has both helped him and led him into opponents traps as seen in his bout with Archie Moore.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I like James Toney's style, his techniques and movement is all to be desired. In regards to Rocky's opponents they weren't push overs. How many guys can you name that can feint and set up traps better than Walcott? How many people are more cagey and have a bag of tricks as big as Moore or Charles. These are the names that Hopkins has mentioned many times before, all were good fighters.
But lets not get carried away with Marcianos record.... You could insert any of these fighters in the list below that could gone unbeaten in Marcianos eraQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Ali
Larry Holmes
Mike tyson
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Lennox Lewis
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Agreed completely with that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
dohttps://youtu.be/wDbNLDVSkR4?si=QePzuaHbgUIOrPyL these guys look like they actually would land on even toney in his first top 10 pro matches?
Never saw this thread so ya'll know I gotta reply.
James Toney would be a fucking nightmare for Marciano with his angles and counter punching. Marciano struggled badly with Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore like that. And Toney hit atleast as hard as them. And Moore put Rocky down for a 2 count.
But As low as James would get, I think Marciano would get even lower. And would really destroy him to the body.
Marciano took many many rounds to wear people down. For example, he took 9 rounds to knock out Archie. Moore ....and he went 15 rounds in the first Ezzard Charles fight and he also went 13 rounds to get Jersey. Joe Walcott and then 9 rounds to get Don Cockell.
So he ain't taking out Lights Out early.
But he ain't gettin taken out either. No how.
jj Walcott hit harder than Toney and floored Rock bad and had him rockin and reelin several t times BUT.......
.....BUT......
couldn't finish off The Brockton Blockbuster and NIETHER WOULD TONEY.
TREMENDOUS FUCKING FIGHT
son of a bitch......🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Marciano by UD if 12 rounds
Marciano by stoppage un 14 if 15. Rounds
Toney was sane.
The sophistication of Walcott and the monster determination of Marciano would overcome the naivete of Toney
Imagine forcing your opinion on others as if it is objective fact and if they don't agree feeling so needy inside as you feel so needy that you then have to get angry and lash out. How did you get to this low point emotionally and psychiatrically?
Toney in his 14th Match way more advanced than anybody even at that point than anybody rock fought,if you cant clearly see how much more advanced these guys were you're vision is horrible and you don't understand boxing and nothing you say matters idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpliTzjcOR8https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=TPKFt4Y7UaQ
jersey was the most advanced person on video rock fought and i bet the whole era.cause no one had the tech they had in the era Toney fought in
Does rock or Jersey look even close to as advanced as Toney in that 14th match or the other guy? See how you exposed yourself, crazy idiot. Both rock and jersey look horrible, making multiple flaws and tech obsolete.
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and this match was Rocks 37 fight, it was 38 for Jersey,shouldnt they have been way more advanced than Toney and the other guy in Toney 14th match?, or the other guy had only 8 matches why was he way more advanced than anybody in rocks era to see how it doesn't make any sense? saying Rock wins when no video shows he could not only land enough but win?​
Toney even in that 14th match form would run through rock and rock would never land its very easy to see how horrible rocks era were compared they look trash, and this was prime rock
Again but this time Toney was even way more advanced than his 14th match I posted this was ton very early matches at LHW which was what Rock was, and still both these guys were way more advanced than the whole novice-like era I posted, rock fought in which anybody with any sense and good vision can clearly see Ton and this guy would destroy rock and his whole era exsposed yourself https://youtu.be/yEtiHtAgmf8?si=C_uSuLlzbAf4rTCu
Get you're vision checked lunatic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEtiHtAgmf8 drake way more advanced than the whole era of rock they look like novices comparedQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Nagel
James Toney would get disqualified for being on PED and Rocky gets the victory.
Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smithWilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Show the proof lunatic!!!!,If you don't buy the end of this day I'll just expose you and others like you on video, that video needs to be made anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smithWilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whoa! Looks like “Joe Schmo” has got some video dirt on @Master!! ;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by joe smithShow the proof lunatic!!!!,If you don't buy the end of this day I'll just expose you and others like you on video, that video needs to be made anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smith;Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by joe smithShow the proof lunatic!!!!,If you don't buy the end of this day I'll just expose you and others like you on video, that video needs to be made anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smithWilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by joe smithShow the proof lunatic!!!!,If you don't buy the end of this day I'll just expose you and others like you on video, that video needs to be made anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smithWilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whoa! Looks like “Joe Schmo” has got some video dirt on @Master!! ;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by joe smithShow the proof lunatic!!!!,If you don't buy the end of this day I'll just expose you and others like you on video, that video needs to be made anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smith;Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Got matches already recorded tonight more will be done tommrow morningQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraWhoa! Looks like “Joe Schmo” has got some video dirt on @Master!! ;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by joe smithShow the proof lunatic!!!!,If you don't buy the end of this day I'll just expose you and others like you on video, that video needs to be made anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI do not understand what you are writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe smith;Wilder is raw and no better technique than the fighters you criticise in the 1920's. This is you're comment so prove they we're show the matches it's Monday now,why is this taking long?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master