Big Bad Jermain Taylor AFRAID to go to Wales.

Boxing: Jermain backs off Joe
May 13 2007
Peter Shuttleworth, Wales on Sunday


JERMAIN Taylor last night insisted he will not fight Joe Calzaghe in Wales.

The American pound-for-pound star has told unbeaten WBO super-middleweight king Calzaghe - the longest reigning world champion - he will have to make his US debut if their super-fight is to happen.

Taylor said: "Calzaghe is a great fighter and $6m will open my ears. But he called me out, so he'll have to come to me. I'd never go to the UK."

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Maybe they can make this fight in Memphis. lol

I thought JT said he would go anywhere to fight anyone?

Why can't Joe fight somewhere else?

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Why can't Joe fight somewhere else?

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....ummmm because there are more people in Wales than in America.....








































........who give a rat's ass about Calzaghe

Let them fight in Vegas

I hope your not trying to say Jermaine is afraid to fight top guys and calzaghe isnt?

Taylor last five fights Hopkins twice, winky wright, kassim ouma and now spinks.

Calzaghe last five fights Veit, Ashira, Lacy, Bika and manfredo.

Shouldnt Joe have the balls to fight Taylor in the USA?

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........who give a rat's a** about Calzaghe

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LOL.

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Originally Posted by Starr

Let them fight in Vegas

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Yes. Joe had his crowd for the Lacy fight, lets see him go somewhere else. Joe wants everyone to come to him.

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I hope your not trying to say Jermaine is afraid to fight top guys and calzaghe isnt?

Taylor last five fights Hopkins twice, winky wright, kassim ouma and now spinks.

Calzaghe last five fights Veit, Ashira, Lacy, Bika and manfredo.

Shouldnt Joe have the balls to fight Taylor in the USA?

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Joe nixed a fight against Glen Johnson saying that his hand was hurt. ;D

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Originally Posted by eagle

Shouldnt Joe have the balls to fight Taylor in the USA?

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I think he's more afraid that his sheep won't get through US customs

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I give a rats ass cos im still waiting for this guy to get beat...

I'd been waiting what seemed like an eternity for valuev to slip and it was sweet when it came...

I feel the same for Joey C.. Im waiting impatiently..

Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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And why is it that Lennox became a ppv commodity to begin with? Because he made a name for himself by making big fights, somethink Eubanks didn't take advantage of.

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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And why is it that Lennox became a ppv commodity to begin with? Because he made a name for himself by making big fights, somethink Eubanks didn't take advantage of.

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That is right the way to gain popularity and money is to fight all the big names in and around your division like lennox did. The trouble with british fighters now is that their fans will watch them fight any old hack and still pay their money. I mean 35000 to watch joe v manfredo is ridiculous, if it had taken place in my back yard i probably wouldnt have gone out to have a look.

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Shouldnt Joe have the balls to fight Taylor in the USA?

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I think he's more afraid that his sheep won't get through US customs

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:lol: :coolclick:

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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And why is it that Lennox became a ppv commodity to begin with? Because he made a name for himself by making big fights, somethink Eubanks didn't take advantage of.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Eubank's career was pretty much over by 1995 about the same time as Lewis got KTFO by McCall and wasn't even a PPV attraction yet.

I don't think there was even the existance of such an animal as PPV boxing before 1995? Its a little hard to make moneys off something that don't exist ;)

how come whenever it comes to calzaghe there is always trouble about what country they are fighting in ?

to be honest it shouldn't matter .

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how come whenever it comes to calzaghe there is always trouble about what country they are fighting in ?

to be honest it shouldn't matter .

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I think its cos joe can make loads more money in britain than in the USA with a lot less risk. I mean 35000 saw him fight manfredo in his home country when they'd have been lucky to get 35 in the US. There is no reason for joe to go anywhere and take the risk when he can make heaps fighting chums at home.

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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And why is it that Lennox became a ppv commodity to begin with? Because he made a name for himself by making big fights, somethink Eubanks didn't take advantage of.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Eubank's career was pretty much over by 1995 about the same time as Lewis got KTFO by McCall and wasn't even a PPV attraction yet.

I don't think there was even the existance of such an animal as PPV boxing before 1995? Its a little hard to make moneys off something that don't exist ;)

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Um, dude, Mike Tyson v. Michael Spinks was ppv, and that happened all the way back in 1988 ::**

Joe Calagzhe or whatever u spell it, will STOP jermaine taylor if they ever fight.....

I've seen Taylor at krunk gym sparring another southpaw with good foot speed........Taylor will get hurt fighting Joe

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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And why is it that Lennox became a ppv commodity to begin with? Because he made a name for himself by making big fights, somethink Eubanks didn't take advantage of.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Eubank's career was pretty much over by 1995 about the same time as Lewis got KTFO by McCall and wasn't even a PPV attraction yet.

I don't think there was even the existance of such an animal as PPV boxing before 1995? Its a little hard to make moneys off something that don't exist ;)

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Um, dude, Mike Tyson v. Michael Spinks was ppv, and that happened all the way back in 1988 ::**

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ok I stand corrected.

but before 1995 was there any PPV events below Heavyweight? no.

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Calzaghe needs to realize that at some point you HAVE to leave your own backyard to make fights happen. He needs to look at both Lennox Lewis and Chris Eubanks. One of them acheived more international glory and made more money because he was willing to go to where the fights were. The other didn't. Who's career would he most like to resemble?

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I'm sure if you took the paypeview reveniew away from Lewis's earnings Eubanks wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

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And why is it that Lennox became a ppv commodity to begin with? Because he made a name for himself by making big fights, somethink Eubanks didn't take advantage of.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Eubank's career was pretty much over by 1995 about the same time as Lewis got KTFO by McCall and wasn't even a PPV attraction yet.

I don't think there was even the existance of such an animal as PPV boxing before 1995? Its a little hard to make moneys off something that don't exist ;)

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Um, dude, Mike Tyson v. Michael Spinks was ppv, and that happened all the way back in 1988 ::**

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ok I stand corrected.

but before 1995 was there any PPV events below Heavyweight? no.

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Hairdoo, both Toney-Jones and Whitaker-Chavez were ppv(both took place in 1994), and I happen to know for a fact that Chavez-Camacho was ppv as well and that happened back in '92 (I know this because back then it was before most people had cable boxes, and you could simply turn to the ppv channel and even though it was scrambled, you could hear the fight live (I wanted to order it but my dad wouldn't pay for it and he told me to just listen to it :D)

Look Joe Calzaghe needs to decide how he wants to be remembered, because earning money by fighting bums in his back yard will not give him the legacy he says he wants. If you want to fight the best you have to go to america, so stop moaning about it coz every boxers in the same boat Joe!!!

In my mind Joe C beats Taylor, he would out box him for sure. That would put him in the best possible position to finish his career with fights agains B-Hop/Winky winner, Kessler, and step up to Light Heavy and fight who ever is number 1 once he's fought them two.

so ditch warren and get yourself over to america and nail your legacy if you want it that bad.

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Look Joe Calzaghe needs to decide how he wants to be remembered, because earning money by fighting bums in his back yard will not give him the legacy he says he wants. If you want to fight the best you have to go to america, so stop moaning about it coz every boxers in the same boat Joe!!!

In my mind Joe C beats Taylor, he would out box him for sure. That would put him in the best possible position to finish his career with fights agains B-Hop/Winky winner, Kessler, and step up to Light Heavy and fight who ever is number 1 once he's fought them two.

so ditch warren and get yourself over to america and nail your legacy if you want it that bad.

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He can't ditch Warren i think he signed life contract maybe Fenster or ect could help me out on this because im not to sure.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Shouldnt Joe have the balls to fight Taylor in the USA?

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I think he's more afraid that his sheep won't get through US customs

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LMAO :coolclick:

I'm from the UK but I admit the money, the attraction and the atmosphere is in the U.S. in Vegas. If Joe wants the fight soooooooo bad as he's claiming, he should take his nuts out of his sheep and put them on the line.

Joe should do abit of traveling perhaps that way he will get bigger fights

I think Jermaine Taylor should have the guts to go across the Atlantic to England. Maybe he is just building it up and making it a bigger superfight. It is a great matchup. Joe really put Manfredo in his place. Too bad Nigel Benn was not in his prime now, That would have been a great fight between two british greats.. Even though Michael Watson beat him, Nigel was a great fighter. Nigel beat Doug Dewitt and Iran Barkley in wipeouts in my mind. Hard to say who would win a Nigel Benn vs. Calzaghe matchup. My pick would probably be Calzaghe vs. a prime Benn but it is hard to figure. Benn could punch and he punched fast but like alot of big punchers his chin was not the best. The theory is they are so intent on delivering a punch that they are not in a position to cushion the blow by tightening up thier neck muscles or ducking, They are just swinging and then getting caught. I have deviated from the topic again. One last note since I deviated-Calzaghe is probably sad he was not in the prime time of Eubank,Watson and Benn. Although he did fight Eubank, he would have made that bunch of guys the Hagler/Hearns/Duran/Leonard of the UK> yet as it is the 90s was a great era for Benn/Eubank and Watson. Anyway, I hope Jermaine gets some guts and fights Calzaghe. great fight. Both guys are exceptional. They have to fight. and Joe has to fight him soon because he is in his mid 30s.

Bottom line, JT has the better resume. If joe wants the fight so bad then he'll have to come to the USA and that's the way it should be. Otherwise keep fightin mediocre opponents. Strike while the iron's hot joe. You won't be at this point in your game forever.

No offense to Joe Calzaghe but the "Big Fights" he wants and has wanted to have are all vs AMERICANS.....every last one of them!!!!!

Well it's time Joe was the one with the balls to fight overseas.....Jeff Lacy took the trip over there as a young prospect, Pete Manfredo was never in Joe's league and he took the trip over there......Joe Calzaghe has no balls.


Roy Jones Jr. would have fought him here
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins

Hell anyone who could have made him more money lives right here in the USA

Bottom line...

Jermaine's the bigger name.

Jermaine is higher than Joe on most p4p lists.

Jermaine has fought p4p greats of our era in 3 of his last four fights.

Jermaine holds the more prestegious belts in the more prestigious division.

Joe must travel.

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....ummmm because there are more people in Wales than in America.....


Taylor is shit he's boxing a fat welterweight next. Calzaghe would eat him for dinner. taylor is about as tough as Jermain Jackson.







































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joe should get off his arse and go to the states. he's says he wants the big fights against the likes of winky, taylor and bhop but if he's not chasing those fights then he'll continue to miss out and those boys will continue to fight each other.

I agree that Joe should go to America too fight Taylor, for the same reasons that Kessler should go to Wales to fight Calzaghe

1 Calzaghe calls Taylor out ( Kessler Calls Calzaghe out)
2 Taylor has had the biggest fight and proven himself more
3 Calzaghe needs Taylor more than Taylor needs Calzaghe

Sorry....I seem to have stumbled on to the Calzaghe-Bashers anonymous club thread here. And less of the sheep jokes...they're offensive to people from New Zealand.

Ok, so all that was said is that Jermaine Taylor doesn't want to come to Wales to fight. At no point in the article was Calzaghe quoted as saying he won't travel if that's what it takes, and points about increased wages for both fighters in the states are valid. I reckon Calzaghe will go to the states to fight, unless something with Kessler comes off. And I reckon Calzaghe wins this one if its made.

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Sorry....I seem to have stumbled on to the Calzaghe-Bashers anonymous club thread here. And less of the sheep jokes...they're offensive to people from New Zealand.

Ok, so all that was said is that Jermaine Taylor doesn't want to come to Wales to fight. At no point in the article was Calzaghe quoted as saying he won't travel if that's what it takes, and points about increased wages for both fighters in the states are valid. I reckon Calzaghe will go to the states to fight, unless something with Kessler comes off. And I reckon Calzaghe wins this one if its made.

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I reckon calaghe knocks taylor out...or stops him

Hardly.. Jermain might not have made that many fans but you cant deny his greatness..

He still undefeated, Hes proven he will fight anybody and the best..

Hopkins twice, winky wright, Kassim ouma was his ' Fight off '..The man deserves respect..

Hes got the fight with spinks..Another worthy challenge..

And if Miranda continues to impress he'll fight him too..

I honestly dont see the problem with what jermain is saying.. He aint afraid to fight Calzaghe..

Joe needs to break america.. Jermain is in america and is the bigger name..

I find it strange..Joe wana break america.. He obv signed with hbo, cos he wants to be shown there..
So its him needing america..
Im pretty sure jermain isnt that fussed about getting welsh support..

If he doesnt fight joe then he fights miranda or pavlik, or he rematches winky wright possibly..

But if joe doesnt fight jermain, Then does he fight winky? or bernard? they are both fighting each other so that certainly wont happen till late in the year is atall..
So then who's left? Roy Jones jr? If that fight has a chance of happening when it comes to money issues.. Then is that even going to be a genuine notch on the belt should joe even win that?

Joe needs jermain more then jermain needs joe frankly..

And joe should be happy to come to the states..I think he's too far in to try to bring the big boxing to britain when he could have been doing that years ago..Now its not about bringing anything anywhere..
Its about securing a legacy that is slipping away from a great fighter who hasnt proven himself to his full extent or made anywhere near the money he has been capable of doing...

I was just talking on another thread about how bad stoppages hurt the sport. Who would ever want to fight in Wales after Calzaghe was basically given a TKO victory by the obviously biased ref in the Manfredo fight. Calzaghe throws one flurry and misses with 80% of the shots and the fight is instantly called. Then Calzaghe makes you believe that it was an intentional ploy when he tells us that he believes that Manfredo was really hurt. Yeah Joe, you got your 20th title defense but the way you got it insured that no one will ever want to fight you in your backyard again.

While ever ive got an hole in my arse Calzaghe does'nt go to states and fight Taylor ;)

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While ever ive got an hole in my arse Calzaghe does'nt go to states and fight Taylor ;)

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Lol..If only it were that easy bro! LOL! If it were as easy as sticking a cork in your arse to get calzaghe to fight a big name in the states i'd be knocking on your door :laugh: :o

Haha..
Peace

Is Joe a great fighter,I dont know
And until Warren stops hiding him in Wales,and has him fighting reality TV stars,noone is going to know
I hear theyre in negotiations for Paris Hilton once she gets out of the pen

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No offense to Joe Calzaghe but the "Big Fights" he wants and has wanted to have are all vs AMERICANS.....every last one of them!!!!!

Well it's time Joe was the one with the balls to fight overseas.....Jeff Lacy took the trip over there as a young prospect, Pete Manfredo was never in Joe's league and he took the trip over there......Joe Calzaghe has no balls.


Roy Jones Jr. would have fought him here
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins

Hell anyone who could have made him more money lives right here in the USA

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get your facts right lyle, Calzaghe signed his contract to fight hopkins IN THE US hopkins wanted 6 million when all he had done apart form lose ot roy jones is beat tito.. he was offerd more money to meet joe in the states (MSG i believe) than he got for beating tito...

Now first off i would liek to say in the grand scheme of things in years to come maybe Joe does need to go and win a big fight int he states, i do want to see him go there, i do...

But lets look a it like this...

Hopkins, Roy Jones, mayweather, taylor NONE of these have left the states, do they even pull in more than 35,000 per fight? Joe got 35,000 with manfredo, it would be in the 40's or 50's if it was Taylor...

Remember its fucking warren who makes the offers not joe, basicaly the same for any non promoting fighter.. why is it an offer is made, money, venue, anyhting really and everyone jumps on the fighters back? how is it for a forum of guys who know so much about boxing they all jump on the boxer? There are very very few in this world who actualy want to go to another country to fight their guy before trying to get the fight in thier back yard first... mkaing a fight with two class fighters is buying a car noone accepts the first offer lol or the second or third for that matter, its all mind games and trying to get the best for your guy....

Thirdly, can anyone BLAME calzaghe or warren for wanting it in wales? people keep nut sucking taylor for his hard fights with a hopkins who really didn't give a fuck and 2 light middle weights (now don't get me wrong i like taylor alot but thats the fact of it) now the really truth - ONE of his last four have been a non contreversial result... no calzaghe prone from hand injury lost alot of power is not gunna wanna walts straight into the states to fight a guy who in alot of peoples opinion should be 1 - 3 from his last 4 fights...

Now again let me stress i would like to see Joe take taylor in the states, it would be better for him now and in the long run... but hell all this hate and snide remarks are just sad....

If this fight fell through 'coz Joe wudn't go there than hell id be as pissed if not more pissed than anyone 'coz i really think he can take taylor... but whilst they are still talking it seems pointless ot bitch moan and hate on a guy.. fuck me taylor hasn't even fought his fight yet...

and yeah ice, joe does have a life contarct with warren...