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Mundine to upset Kessler?
PLEASE HEAR ME OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently there is talk of a rematch between these two. Now I'm no big fan of Mundine, but i have seen his last two fights and have been extremely impressed. His fight against Danny Green who is a top ten ranked fighter was very one sided and he made the power punching green look as tho he should retire.
His next opponent Sam Soliman who is by no means a pretty boxer to watch but has given some top opponents a hard time, was completely destroyed by Mundine. Cracked on atleas three occasions.
Now my other reason for Mundine being a chance against Kessler is the fact that Mikkel may be looking past Mundine at the bigger name fights in the future.
Mundine has a lot more self belief than he did in the first fight, and is a lot better.
I still think Kessler will win but i think it could be his hardest fight so far....
Any thoughts?
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I think Kessler will win. Have got no idea why he's going in with Mundine again tho to be honest. He beat him once. It makes more sense to try and force a fight with Berrio so he gains another world title and basically forces Calzaghe to fight him because he'll have 3 world titles to Joe's one.
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I think Kessler will win. Have got no idea why he's going in with Mundine again tho to be honest. He beat him once. It makes more sense to try and force a fight with Berrio so he gains another world title and basically forces Calzaghe to fight him because he'll have 3 world titles to Joe's one.
Mundine is a big drawcard in Australia, so Kessler may be able to make more money by fightinf Mundine than any other available fighter?
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I know, I just think beating the guy again proves nothing for him, and will do little to force his case for the bigger fight more. If he was to fight Berrio and beat him, he'd prob make less money, but would make more down the line as he would be seen as a dominant super-middle. Like you said...Mundine has improved so it could be an unnecessary risk.
Just my opinion.
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I think Mundine would beat Berrio tho. So he would be fighting the better fighter.
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I agree, but Kessler has beaten Mundine once. Berrio is nothing special, so he'd win no problem. Low risk, another title...forces the issue for Calzaghe, Hopkins, Wright to fight him because it would be difficult to argue that he isn't the dominant Super-Middle when holding 3 of the 4.
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I agree, but Kessler has beaten Mundine once. Berrio is nothing special, so he'd win no problem. Low risk, another title...forces the issue for Calzaghe, Hopkins, Wright to fight him because it would be difficult to argue that he isn't the dominant Super-Middle when holding 3 of the 4.
Mundine is WBA champ tho. So he has a title.
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I know, but he's only WBA Champ because WBA made Kessler super champ thus freeing the belt up. So technically, Kessler is really the WBA champ and already has the belt. WBA are stupid and confusing.
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I know, but he's only WBA Champ because WBA made Kessler super champ thus freeing the belt up. So technically, Kessler is really the WBA champ and already has the belt. WBA are stupid and confusing.
Yeah i forgot that. Still think Mundine could cause an upset. He looked as good as any fighter i've seen for a while against Soliman, and Soliman makes most look bad.
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I know, but he's only WBA Champ because WBA made Kessler super champ thus freeing the belt up. So technically, Kessler is really the WBA champ and already has the belt. WBA are stupid and confusing.
Yeah i forgot that. Still think Mundine could cause an upset. He looked as good as any fighter i've seen for a while against Soliman, and Soliman makes most look bad.
You're right, it's not at all out of the question...but my money would be with Kessler.
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I know, but he's only WBA Champ because WBA made Kessler super champ thus freeing the belt up. So technically, Kessler is really the WBA champ and already has the belt. WBA are stupid and confusing.
Yeah i forgot that. Still think Mundine could cause an upset. He looked as good as any fighter i've seen for a while against Soliman, and Soliman makes most look bad.
You're right, it's not at all out of the question...but my money would be with Kessler.
Yeah Kessler would be a massive favourite.
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
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Kessler knows the fight with Joe can come through he knows thats his ticket to solidify himself.
If they met, Kess would not take him lightly thats not Kess style....
I think Kess beats Mundine 5 out of 5 times..... IMO.
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I know, but he's only WBA Champ because WBA made Kessler super champ thus freeing the belt up. So technically, Kessler is really the WBA champ and already has the belt. WBA are stupid and confusing.
Obviously Mundine's title means very little to Kessler, but it does make him the designated mandatory. So if Kessler wants to retain his WBA (Super champ) title, he will have to meet Mundine eventually. If unification against Calzaghe or a big match against Taylor (or the winner of Hopkins-Wright) fails to come together, then it actually makes sense to get the mandatory out of the way now.
(I dunno what the time limit for meeting Mundine is. The WBA website states that super champs have 18 months to defend the title, but whether that means from the time Kessler became super champ (october 06) or from the time he last made a mandatory defense of the belt (january 06) seems unclear. If the latter happens to be the case, Kessler should actually meet Mundine next month!).
Anyway if the big figts dont materialize I would be happy with Kessler defending against Mundine at home in september and then he should go after the IBF title by the end of the year, preferably fighting for it on a major American undercard. By that time I expect Bute to hold the title and Kessler beating an undefeated Bute in North America, then holding 3 alphabelt titles... well, Kessler could be in line for a very lucrative 2008.
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yo alot of people underestimate mundines ability! he was inexperienced the first time he met kessler and still gave him problems, i have no doubt that mudines improved boxing skills would dethrone kessler if they meet again. I mean take green for example, one of the hardest super middles around(anyone see green spar james toney)?..... its good though to see a lot of people finnally give mundine the respect he deserves....but there a few haters on here, the ones who have know idea who danny green and antwan echols are ???
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yo alot of people underestimate mundines ability! he was inexperienced the first time he met kessler and still gave him problems, i have no doubt that mudines improved boxing skills would dethrone kessler if they meet again. I mean take green for example, one of the hardest super middles around(anyone see green spar james toney)?..... its good though to see a lot of people finnally give mundine the respect he deserves....but there a few haters on here, the ones who have know idea who danny green and antwan echols are ???
There aren't any haters in this thread really.
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yo alot of people underestimate mundines ability! he was inexperienced the first time he met kessler and still gave him problems, i have no doubt that mudines improved boxing skills would dethrone kessler if they meet again. I mean take green for example, one of the hardest super middles around(anyone see green spar james toney)?..... its good though to see a lot of people finnally give mundine the respect he deserves....but there a few haters on here, the ones who have know idea who danny green and antwan echols are ???
There aren't any haters in this thread really.
im talking about the whole furum and there is quite a few haters....
theres not many people on line right now but wait until they see this thread ;D
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yo alot of people underestimate mundines ability! he was inexperienced the first time he met kessler and still gave him problems, i have no doubt that mudines improved boxing skills would dethrone kessler if they meet again. I mean take green for example, one of the hardest super middles around(anyone see green spar james toney)?..... its good though to see a lot of people finnally give mundine the respect he deserves....but there a few haters on here, the ones who have know idea who danny green and antwan echols are ???
There aren't any haters in this thread really.
im talking about the whole furum and there is quite a few haters....
theres not many people on line right now but wait until they see this thread ;D
Yeah I did see a few actually. It's silly really, because Mundine is clearly a challenger. By the same token, so is Froch.
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
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Only way Mundine upsets Kessler is if he gives him some bad news like Calzaghe still dare'nt fight you :'(
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
So you don't think Kessler has improved too? His demolition of Beyer was awesome, something Danny Green couldn't do. Soliman was a blown up Middleweight and in reality Mundine did what he should have to Soliman and beat him easily. I read where Soliman wants to fight at 154 now! I'm not doubting Mundine's ability to give these guys a good fight but i don't think he can beat them. IMO
I think his best chance is at Middleweight, where he will lose those extra pounds i don't know because he is always in great shape. I would rather see him fight Taylor and Abraham than Kessler again.
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
So you don't think Kessler has improved too? His demolition of Beyer was awesome, something Danny Green couldn't do. Soliman was a blown up Middleweight and in reality Mundine did what he should have to Soliman and beat him easily. I read where Soliman wants to fight at 154 now! I'm not doubting Mundine's ability to give these guys a good fight but i don't think he can beat them. IMO
I think his best chance is at Middleweight, where he will lose those extra pounds i don't know because he is always in great shape. I would rather see him fight Taylor and Abraham than Kessler again.
In Greens first fight against Beyer he knocked down Beyer three times then got a dodgy German dq. Beyer was a bum who got protected by German judges. Soliman is a good fighter and hard to beat. Name one other person who has looked as good as Mundine against Sam? Nobody has.
I think Mundine has improved more than Kessler. Yes i think Kessler will win, but in his toughest fight yet and i probably give Mundine a 30% chance of victory.
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Mundine to upset Kessler?
What's he gonna do? Sneak into his local eatery & switch a medium steak with a rare one?
I mean...that'd upset me.
Maybe Mundine is gonna put pepper in Kessler's tea...or whatever 'dem Dane's drink...heh heh heh.
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Mundine to upset Kessler?
What's he gonna do? Sneak into his local eatery & switch a medium steak with a rare one?
I mean...that'd upset me.
Maybe Mundine is gonna put pepper in Kessler's tea...or whatever 'dem Dane's drink...heh heh heh.
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No need for sarcasm...... ;D
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
So you don't think Kessler has improved too? His demolition of Beyer was awesome, something Danny Green couldn't do. Soliman was a blown up Middleweight and in reality Mundine did what he should have to Soliman and beat him easily. I read where Soliman wants to fight at 154 now! I'm not doubting Mundine's ability to give these guys a good fight but i don't think he can beat them. IMO
I think his best chance is at Middleweight, where he will lose those extra pounds i don't know because he is always in great shape. I would rather see him fight Taylor and Abraham than Kessler again.
In Greens first fight against Beyer he knocked down Beyer three times then got a dodgy German dq. Beyer was a bum who got protected by German judges. Soliman is a good fighter and hard to beat. Name one other person who has looked as good as Mundine against Sam? Nobody has.
I think Mundine has improved more than Kessler. Yes i think Kessler will win, but in his toughest fight yet and i probably give Mundine a 30% chance of victory.
You're a hard man eagle, Beyer a bum? He sure gave Danny boy a boxing lesson in fight number 2. Interesting to note that i thought Green lost round 4 and was losing round 5 of the first fight thus the stupid head butt frustration that led to his legitimate DQ.
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
So you don't think Kessler has improved too? His demolition of Beyer was awesome, something Danny Green couldn't do. Soliman was a blown up Middleweight and in reality Mundine did what he should have to Soliman and beat him easily. I read where Soliman wants to fight at 154 now! I'm not doubting Mundine's ability to give these guys a good fight but i don't think he can beat them. IMO
I think his best chance is at Middleweight, where he will lose those extra pounds i don't know because he is always in great shape. I would rather see him fight Taylor and Abraham than Kessler again.
In Greens first fight against Beyer he knocked down Beyer three times then got a dodgy German dq. Beyer was a bum who got protected by German judges. Soliman is a good fighter and hard to beat. Name one other person who has looked as good as Mundine against Sam? Nobody has.
I think Mundine has improved more than Kessler. Yes i think Kessler will win, but in his toughest fight yet and i probably give Mundine a 30% chance of victory.
You're a hard man eagle, Beyer a bum? He sure gave Danny boy a boxing lesson in fight number 2. Interesting to note that i thought Green lost round 4 and was losing round 5 of the first fight thus the stupid head butt frustration that led to his legitimate DQ.
Maybe calling him a bum was harsh. But there was no way that was a dq, and if he hadnt got that home town ludicrous decision i feel he would have lost that fight and been downgraded to a journeyman quickly......
Green lost his way by the time of their second fight and had too much trouble making weight. And in the second fight danny lost an MD in Germany..... That more than likely means a win in any other nation on the planet......
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
So you don't think Kessler has improved too? His demolition of Beyer was awesome, something Danny Green couldn't do. Soliman was a blown up Middleweight and in reality Mundine did what he should have to Soliman and beat him easily. I read where Soliman wants to fight at 154 now! I'm not doubting Mundine's ability to give these guys a good fight but i don't think he can beat them. IMO
I think his best chance is at Middleweight, where he will lose those extra pounds i don't know because he is always in great shape. I would rather see him fight Taylor and Abraham than Kessler again.
In Greens first fight against Beyer he knocked down Beyer three times then got a dodgy German dq. Beyer was a bum who got protected by German judges. Soliman is a good fighter and hard to beat. Name one other person who has looked as good as Mundine against Sam? Nobody has.
I think Mundine has improved more than Kessler. Yes i think Kessler will win, but in his toughest fight yet and i probably give Mundine a 30% chance of victory.
You're a hard man eagle, Beyer a bum? He sure gave Danny boy a boxing lesson in fight number 2. Interesting to note that i thought Green lost round 4 and was losing round 5 of the first fight thus the stupid head butt frustration that led to his legitimate DQ.
Maybe calling him a bum was harsh. But there was no way that was a dq, and if he hadnt got that home town ludicrous decision i feel he would have lost that fight and been downgraded to a journeyman quickly......
Green lost his way by the time of their second fight and had too much trouble making weight. And in the second fight danny lost an MD in Germany..... That more than likely means a win in any other nation on the planet......
Mate, when i was watching that fight and Green snotted him with the head butt i knew he was gone. It was a moment of madness that i'm sure Danny Green regrets, i can't understand why he did it. You can't deliberately headbutt your opponent and expect to get away with it. I was dissapointed he lost but those are the rules and Danny thought it was the local pub he was fighting in and not a professional boxing ring.
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Has the whole world gone mad? Mundine cannot and will not beat Kessler in a rematch!!!!
He has good skills and is fast and accurate with his punches but isn't in the same class as Kessler and Calzaghe.
You obviously know little about boxing....
Really? I wonder what happened to me? I have seen nearly all of Mundine's fights. I do
live in Oz so it isn't hard to catch him here. My uninformed opinion still stands, Kessler will blow him away in a rematch! Calzaghe would do the same. I do give Mundine a lot of credit but those two guys are a cut above him. Kessler has already proved it once!
So he gives Kessler a reasonably close fight first time out, improves lots, beats two top 3 ranked guys in Green and Soliman easily yet he'll get beaten worse in the rematch...... Makes total sense.......Soliman went the distance with Winky Wright and Mundine made Sam look like a bum....
So you don't think Kessler has improved too? His demolition of Beyer was awesome, something Danny Green couldn't do. Soliman was a blown up Middleweight and in reality Mundine did what he should have to Soliman and beat him easily. I read where Soliman wants to fight at 154 now! I'm not doubting Mundine's ability to give these guys a good fight but i don't think he can beat them. IMO
I think his best chance is at Middleweight, where he will lose those extra pounds i don't know because he is always in great shape. I would rather see him fight Taylor and Abraham than Kessler again.
In Greens first fight against Beyer he knocked down Beyer three times then got a dodgy German dq. Beyer was a bum who got protected by German judges. Soliman is a good fighter and hard to beat. Name one other person who has looked as good as Mundine against Sam? Nobody has.
I think Mundine has improved more than Kessler. Yes i think Kessler will win, but in his toughest fight yet and i probably give Mundine a 30% chance of victory.
You're a hard man eagle, Beyer a bum? He sure gave Danny boy a boxing lesson in fight number 2. Interesting to note that i thought Green lost round 4 and was losing round 5 of the first fight thus the stupid head butt frustration that led to his legitimate DQ.
Maybe calling him a bum was harsh. But there was no way that was a dq, and if he hadnt got that home town ludicrous decision i feel he would have lost that fight and been downgraded to a journeyman quickly......
Green lost his way by the time of their second fight and had too much trouble making weight. And in the second fight danny lost an MD in Germany..... That more than likely means a win in any other nation on the planet......
Mate, when i was watching that fight and Green snotted him with the head butt i knew he was gone. It was a moment of madness that i'm sure Danny Green regrets, i can't understand why he did it. You can't deliberately headbutt your opponent and expect to get away with it. I was dissapointed he lost but those are the rules and Danny thought it was the local pub he was fighting in and not a professional boxing ring.
If Beyer had been on top and it wasnt a fight in germany no way he gets dq'ed straight away....
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And to add to that, you really think if it had been Beyer giving the headbutt in Germany he would have got dq. Not in a thousand years....
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As i have said previously. Since his first fight against Kessler, Mundine has improved 70%. He is a complete fighter. His defence is extremely similiar to Floyd Mayweather, he has said that. So its hard to hit im in the body, and he can take some hits to the head now he has really strengthened his jaw up. His speed is as quick as ever, easily the quickest puncher in the division. And another thing, the main thing, his power has improved ten fold, watch Danny Green he had him in the 8th and was gonna KO him before the bell. Soliman well he did KO him.
I see this fight happening in Sydney in the next few months, with Kessler getting a 70 30 split, thats what hes been asking.
I only see it going one way though. And the result of that is Anthony Mundine on points. I think its time for this time to wake up and realise, Mundine is the real deal.
And the fact the first time they fought, Kessler couldn't KO the brittle Mundine who lacked the boxing skills he has now, shows Kessler is not unbeatable.
Mundine KO in the 7th or other later rounds. Or probably on points.
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Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!
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Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!
hey third man, i thought u must be from aus cause 99% of his haters are aus.....im in the 1% that recognize his tremendous ability.... and green was whoopin beyer in the first fight and the second well that was over a year later and by that time, beyer had the book on green. but green is one hard man, i think green would give kess and calzaghe a run for there money and mundine made green look like an amature! mundine was quite inexperienced in ist kessler fight with no amature background and still gave the dane a hard fight ! do u not see that mundines improved 10 fold?
and dont take it personal mate, im just shootin the sh!t..............so to speak ;D
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I've recently acquired a whole host of Mundine fights and he is superb. He really has come a long way from getting KTFO by Ottke All his losses can be accounted for and he is an excellent fighter but whether he would be Kess is questionable because it's not as if Mikkel has not improved either I'd certainly LOVE to see a rematch because the first fight was competetive for sure,but I'd favour Mikkel It would be close and I certainly like Mundine,in fact both fighters are top top world class fighters.
I'd love love to see Mundine v Calzaghe, a tremendous match up of styles. I havent seen Mundine v Siaca>? Was it a good fight?
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!
You need no help.... IMO....
your the one doing the KO'ing.... ;)
It's easy to say Mundines improved and leave out the fact that Kess hasn't. ::**
IMO, Kess has some road to cover so what does that say about what I think on Mundine.
Kess payed his dues hes fought the contenders and hes fought the former champs. and fought current champs.
Hes time to get his shot as the top man is now, why fight Mundine?
Kess knows he has the big fights coming he needs to focus and prepare well. Down the road after 1 or 2 major fights if Mundines payed his dues then why not have Kess vs. Mundine II.
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I really like Mundine. He has a great style and has improved so much in the past couple years. When you consider he started out as an Aussie Rules footballer his progression and skill level really are remarkable.
First off as for whether the fight is valid I say absolutely. When Mundine fought Green it was as an eliminator to fight for Kessler's crown so he's basically been fobbed off for over a year already.
Mundine is a very tough fight for Kessler, he's certainly one of the top 5 or so in the division and it will make for an intriguing fight.
Like El Game I'm not confident enough to say that Mundine will win but I certainly think he has a shot.
I really like both fighters to be honest. It's ironic really that after so many years of being a barren and empty division, since we've all finally crowned Calzaghe as king of the super middleweight division a host of genuine contenders have come along.
With Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute, Froch, Mundine, Lacy, Andrade, Allan Green and possibly soon Jermain Taylor, and with guys like B Hop and Roy Jones still possible opponents I'd say 168 lb is possibly the second hottest division right now after the welterweights.
It seems so bizarre to me that they get so little attention. It's a red hot division now for sure.
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!
hey third man, i thought u must be from aus cause 99% of his haters are aus.....im in the 1% that recognize his tremendous ability.... and green was whoopin beyer in the first fight and the second well that was over a year later and by that time, beyer had the book on green. but green is one hard man, i think green would give kess and calzaghe a run for there money and mundine made green look like an amature! mundine was quite inexperienced in ist kessler fight with no amature background and still gave the dane a hard fight ! do u not see that mundines improved 10 fold?
and dont take it personal mate, im just shootin the sh!t..............so to speak ;D
First off, i don't hate Mundine. I think his win against Green was a great performance (boxed his ears off) While he has improved and yes he gave Kessler his toughest fight I think Kessler has improved as well. Kessler is a real threat to Calzaghe and a rematch with Mundine won't happen until he gets Joe balls in the ring. IMO Mundine should not be fighting someone ranked 48 in the world in his next fight but there you go! He is good and i recognise this, but the big Kess is one tough Viking!
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It is true that the first fight Mundine vs Kessler was competitive, but Kessler had a sever back injury a fact that was concealed till after that match. Kessler said later just before the Bayer fight that this was his hardest fight ever, he said he had faced tougher opponents but due to his back injury his form was only around 50%, so the fight was very hard to get though.
I predict that Mundine will have a harder time in the rematch since we will faces a much improved Kessler, eventhough I am impressed with Mundines latest fights.
Lets settle it in the ring 8)
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love the logic you used eagle, green vs beyer 2, beyer was a bad fighter, but just had the book on green ,who was not at his best anymore.. BUT yet here years later, when mundine beats green, THIS is absolutely a remarkebale thing in boxing history.. maybe in australien boxing, but not on the world scene..
the logical equation would be, if the green fight was big for mundine, then beyer was huge for kessler.. but lets not get carried away, mundine beating green is not that big of a deal.. and you keep talking about the winky fight when referring to soliman, so because soliman won max 3-4 rounds against winky, this is the way you judge him, based on a good loss..
both green and soliman er solid fighters, soliman jumping up in weight, and a green a couple of years from prime time, im not saying they are not solid wins, they are, but nothing more then solid..
AND MUNDINE LOOKED GOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF THIS, ISNT IT EASIER TO LOOK SHARP, WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK REGARDING YOUR OPPONENTS QUALITY..???
but eventhough im of another opinion then you, i agree mundine has improved, but not to the extent that he is a completely new fighter.. those who claimed he lacked confidence the first time, THAT is completely and utter bullshit, 2-3 times he invited kessler in, with his hands hanging low, THIS does not even remotely seems of a man lacking confidence..
now lets talk kessler..
he has had i fights, ko beyer, and shotout of andrade, both good wins, and kessler fights has been at least equally as good as mundine´s
and lets talk some facts, so some of you, know the real deal about their first fight.. kessler has frequently dealth with severe back problems, at one point it looked like it was going to end his career.. he had some problems with it up to the mundine fight.. this resulted in his roadwork was far from great, and even worse his sparring was really low, actually when you compare the amount of round from the mundine fight to the andrade fight, kessler had 5 times as much sparring for the andrade fight.. he sparred aROUND 30 ROUNDS FOR MUNDINE, ,and 150-180 for andrade..
but eventhough this is the case, i will agree that he was prepared, otherwise he shouldnt have fought, but what i am saying, is that kessler was not in his best form, i wouldnt be to much, if i claimed he missed out the last 5-10% of his game..
this is for me the X factor, what happens when kessler brings 100 % to the table..??
im not saying kessler is impossible to beat, i just think that he is better than mundine.. and its not like i think kessler will blow him away.. my opinione 8-4 kessler
to sum up, maybe mundine has improved slightly more then the other smw, due to his lack of amateur background, but les not get carried away.. mundine was also a top fighter 2 years ago, and eventhough he looked good, he has done nothing that has set the division alight..
its one thing looking good against b level opponents, and much harder against a-level..
lets be reasonable here, mundine is absolutely amongst the best in the division, and yes he has improved, but those claiming 1o fold or 70 % you gotta be kidding me..
