If Ali Fought Marciano's Opponents and Marciano Fought Ali's Opponents.....

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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Sonny Liston I - ROCKY TKOED in 6
Sonny Liston II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
George Chuvalo I - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
George Chuvalo II - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
Joe Frazier I - ROCKY TKOED IN 6
Joe Frazier II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
Joe Frazier III -ROCKY TKOED IN 10
Buster Mathis - ROCKY WINS BY KO
Ken Norton I - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton II - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton III - NORTON KOED IN 1
George Foreman - ROCKY TKOED IN 2
Ron Lyle - ROCKY WINS WILD SLUGFEST BY 6
Joe Bugner - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 2
Jimmy Young - JIMMY YOUNG BY UD
Earnie Shavers - UMM TOUGH ONE I LIKE ROCKY BY KO IN 4
Leon Spinks I - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Leon Spinks II - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Alfredo Evangelista - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Larry Holmes - HOLMES WINS BY UD
Trevor Berbick - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 3

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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And you sir no nothing about boxing.

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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Sonny Liston I - ROCKY TKOED in 6
Sonny Liston II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
George Chuvalo I - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
George Chuvalo II - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
Joe Frazier I - ROCKY TKOED IN 6
Joe Frazier II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
Joe Frazier III -ROCKY TKOED IN 10
Buster Mathis - ROCKY WINS BY KO
Ken Norton I - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton II - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton III - NORTON KOED IN 1
George Foreman - ROCKY TKOED IN 2
Ron Lyle - ROCKY WINS WILD SLUGFEST BY 6
Joe Bugner - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 2
Jimmy Young - JIMMY YOUNG BY UD
Earnie Shavers - UMM TOUGH ONE I LIKE ROCKY BY KO IN 4
Leon Spinks I - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Leon Spinks II - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Alfredo Evangelista - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Larry Holmes - HOLMES WINS BY UD
Trevor Berbick - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 3

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I'm speaking reletivaly to the sense that the fights would occur in the same order as Ali's, and vice versa, i.e., Rocky Marciano, at the tail end of his career, ain't knocking out a young Leon Spinks or a young Trevor Berbick.

Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....
;)

If Marciano fought Ali's opponents,he would NOT have been unbeaten and Ali fought Marciano his legacy would not be as good but he'd be undefeated too.

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Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....
;)

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I agree with the original post that Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs, but realistically, I don't think Marciano would be able to complete the 61 fights Ali fought, as I too think Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, and Norton would KO him, and in all likelyhood they would be brutal KOs, so bad in fact (and I'm not trying to be funny here) that afterwards he would be unable to be sanctioned to fight in any state.

I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

I think Rocky-Frazier would have been a great fight to watch. Possibly one of the best wars ever, regardless of the winner.

Liston by KO
Frazier by KO
Foreman by KO
Holmes by UD

Other than those four he would have beaten or gone very close to the rest.
I can't see Spinks or Berbick beating Marciano.
I see him struggling with Cooper!

Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

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I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

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Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

Rocky-Shavers would be a battle......as would Rocky-Quarry......and Rocky-Frazier

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Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

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I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

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Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

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Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

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I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

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Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

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Realistically, that OLD Larry Holmes was a lot better than the old Louis, Charles, and Walcotts that Marciano beat. I think the Holmes that beat Mercer and gave Holyfield a good fight would have even beaten Rocky. He did the best he could in his era, noone can take that from him... But he would have been slaughtered if he had faced even the fighters that he did beat when they were at their best HW condition.

You would have to give marciano an extra 30 pounds. He would be considered light heavyweight today. If the rock weighed 220 or 230 he would have killed most of ali's opponents.

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Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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And you sir no nothing about boxing.

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I second that notion. 49-0 with 49 knockouts? What the fuck? There is no doubt in my mind that Ali would probably go 49-0 fighting the same guys Rocky did, but stopping them all? I don't know about that, Ali wasn't exactly a huge knockout artist like Rocky...

I agree about SOME of his losses though. I believe Rocky would be beaten by guys like Frazier and Liston. I believe Foreman would DESTROY Marciano. I believe wholeheartedly that Larry Holmes would outbox Marciano and win a dominant Unanimous decision.

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If the rock weighed 220 or 230 he would have killed most of ali's opponents.

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Thats a dumb thing to say. Who knows how the Rock would have fought if he was 30-40 lbs heavier. Would it make him even slower?

.....and who knows who could beat Rocky even given Rocky's small stature....this thread is inherently stupid

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....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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And you sir no nothing about boxing.

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I second that notion. 49-0 with 49 knockouts? What the F***? There is no doubt in my mind that Ali would probably go 49-0 fighting the same guys Rocky did, but stopping them all? I don't know about that, Ali wasn't exactly a huge knockout artist like Rocky...

I agree about SOME of his losses though. I believe Rocky would be beaten by guys like Frazier and Liston. I believe Foreman would DESTROY Marciano. I believe wholeheartedly that Larry Holmes would outbox Marciano and win a dominant Unanimous decision.

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Anyone capable of knocking out a prime George Foreman is more than likely to knockout 49 pint-sized heavyweight opponents.

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.....and who knows who could beat Rocky even given Rocky's small stature....this thread is inherently stupid

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lol at this guy getting mad again that his overrated hero is getting exposed ;D

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lol at this guy getting mad again that his overrated hero is getting exposed ;D

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I'm not mad, I just don't immediatly think just because someone is bigger that they will win.....idiot!

May I point to these facts:

Ali-Frazier I.....Ali, the bigger guy lost
Primo Carnera-Anyone good......Primo, the big guy LOST
Foreman-Holyfield, Young, Morrison.....Foreman the bigger guy lost
Willard-Dempsey....Willard almost killed
Liston-Martin....Liston KO'd
Ruiz-Roy Jones Jr.......Ruiz lost horribly and he was carrying a good 20-30 pounds more than RJJ


The list goes on and on......only idiots like you think bigger guys always win......Nicolay Valuev anyone???

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Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

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I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

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Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

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Tony Tucker would brutalize Marciano. Horrendous matchup stylistically.

......the smaller Tyson beat him....I don't really see a problem either way but consider Rocky's workrate as well, that's how Tyson beat him.

Mike Tyson didn't weight 190 lbs Lyle.

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Mike Tyson didn't weight 190 lbs Lyle.

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yeah Tyson was a whopping 220 pounds...with modern training and modern health care

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Mike Tyson didn't weight 190 lbs Lyle.

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yeah Tyson was a whopping 220 pounds...with modern training and modern health care

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Modern training? Could you elaborate please? As training for boxers is the same now as it's always been, spar and run(unless you actually believe fighters train like Ivan Drago). Mike Tyson weighed 190 when he was 12. He's just genetically gifted.

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....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

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the only people who have a chance 2 beat marciano on that list are foreman, shaver and holmes . possibly liston--leon spinks ::**

well ali was in the "golden era" if u take any of the other greats specifically louis or demsey, there losses would be much greater---if joe louis switched with ali -ali would be 68-0, and louis record could look like 48-8. and he would NOT be "the great joe louis"! foreman , liston, holmes, shavers ans liston could prob beat louis.

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3 (Let me break this too you gently... no one and i mean NO ONE is gonna floor the rock for a straight up 10 count thats an absurd prediction a tko on cuts is a different story)

Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1  ::**

George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4 (All im gonna say is i'll bet every cent i can get my hands on for the OVER)

George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1 (The only thing more ridiculous than saying the rock would hit the floor for the count in the first is saying chuvalo would hit the floor for the count in the first)

Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4 (Lets look back at what foreman did to frazier.... exactly)

Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3 (Rocky hit harder and frazier had more of a paper face)

Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1 (are just picking rounds at random ??? )

Buster Mathis - UD (Ali knocked the dude down 4 times. you're gonna tell me the rock couldn't take him out?)

Ken Norton I - KOd in 3 (if he couldn't finish ali off with a broken jaw, he wasn't gonna finish the rock off either)

Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3 (no just no)

Ken Norton III - KOd in 2 (If an increasingly slower and slower ali could beat him, i rest my case)

George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1 (foreman might pull this fight out but no way he's making one of the most dedicated fighters in the history of the sport quit)

Ron Lyle - KOd in 3 (You did watch this fight were a clearly shot slow moving ali ko'd him late in the fight ala marciano-walcott 1 right??)

Joe Bugner - UD (WHO ??? )

Jimmy Young - TKO in 6 (no comment i really don't know what to say this time)

Earnie Shavers - KO in 1 (He got knocked out in the first round by quarry and you're gonna say he dominates the rock? I don't care if you think he punches hard, his record and ko ratio are just as padded as don steele's)

Leon Spinks I - KO in 7 (marciano would wipe the floor with him)

Leon Spinks II - KO in 3 (He F****** lost to an ali that was so shot, Ali had no business fighting anymore but he did and he won. But he'd beat marciano yeah i bet you got this spinks in your top 10 heavyweight list  ::**)

Alfredo Evangelista - UD (WHO ??? )

Larry Holmes - KO in 5 (Holmes isn't koing anybody with a chin worth a damn. FACT.)

Trevor Berbick - KO in 5 (If marciano has parkinsons then yes but if not, no.)

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Modern training? Could you elaborate please? As training for boxers is the same now as it's always been, spar and run(unless you actually believe fighters train like Ivan Drago). Mike Tyson weighed 190 when he was 12. He's just genetically gifted.

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Today's knowledge applied to weight lifting and stretching gets you bigger without getting you musclebound.

Tyson was genetically gifted though.

every1 picks on marciano 4 his opposition but yet joe louis's was no better.

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Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3 (Let me break this too you gently... no one and i mean NO ONE is gonna floor the rock for a straight up 10 count thats an absurd prediction a tko on cuts is a different story)

Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1 ::**

George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4 (All im gonna say is i'll bet every cent i can get my hands on for the OVER)

George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1 (The only thing more ridiculous than saying the rock would hit the floor for the count in the first is saying chuvalo would hit the floor for the count in the first)

Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4 (Lets look back at what foreman did to frazier.... exactly)

Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3 (Rocky hit harder and frazier had more of a paper face)

Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1 (are just picking rounds at random ??? )

Buster Mathis - UD (Ali knocked the dude down 4 times. you're gonna tell me the rock couldn't take him out?)

Ken Norton I - KOd in 3 (if he couldn't finish ali off with a broken jaw, he wasn't gonna finish the rock off either)

Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3 (no just no)

Ken Norton III - KOd in 2 (If an increasingly slower and slower ali could beat him, i rest my case)

George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1 (foreman might pull this fight out but no way he's making one of the most dedicated fighters in the history of the sport quit)

Ron Lyle - KOd in 3 (You did watch this fight were a clearly shot slow moving ali ko'd him late in the fight ala marciano-walcott 1 right??)

Joe Bugner - UD (WHO ??? )

Jimmy Young - TKO in 6 (no comment i really don't know what to say this time)

Earnie Shavers - KO in 1 (He got knocked out in the first round by quarry and you're gonna say he dominates the rock? I don't care if you think he punches hard, his record and ko ratio are just as padded as don steele's)

Leon Spinks I - KO in 7 (marciano would wipe the floor with him)

Leon Spinks II - KO in 3 (He F****** lost to an ali that was so shot, Ali had no business fighting anymore but he did and he won. But he'd beat marciano yeah i bet you got this spinks in your top 10 heavyweight list ::**)

Alfredo Evangelista - UD (WHO ??? )

Larry Holmes - KO in 5 (Holmes isn't koing anybody with a chin worth a damn. FACT.

Trevor Berbick - KO in 5 (If marciano has parkinsons then yes but if not, no.)

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You guys are missing the entire point of this thread. It's assuming Marciano would go through Ali's opponents in real life time, meaning suffering through the wars Ali suffered through. Leon Spinks is not greater than Marciano, but a prime Leon Spinks will beat any fighter who is in the twilight of their career and a shadow of their former self, as Marciano, like any heavyweight, would be after going through the gauntlet that was Ali's resume of opponents, so in that regard, you can chalk up the losses for the Rock in the last few fights. If greatness could save your @ss, Joe Louis wouldn't have lost to Rocky now would he ;)

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every1 picks on marciano 4 his opposition but yet joe louis's was no better.

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To be honest outside of the 70's there weren't a lot of many great fighters around at the same time at most the heavys had 2 or 3 and atleast one of them was over the hill.

Buster Mathis was a BUM

Ken Norton didn't do power punchers.....check his record




Joe Louis was a great boxer.....I'd pick him over a lot of other greats.


Lots of people so easily forget the intangibles....heart, desire to win, dedication, how they fought in the championship rounds.....and most importantly how they handled adversity

Styles, Power, and Size don't always win fights....oddly enough

....funny how no one notices how shot fighters are until a couple years down the road

I'm gonna try to make a list to prove my point about the heavyweight division. This list will only include those that a majority of people agree on being hall of famers.

Late 1800's:
Johnson

1910- late 20's:
Dempsey
Tunney
Johnson

1930's-late 40's
Johnson (over hill by now)
Louis
Baer
Marciano (early days)

1950's
Liston
Louis (overhill)
Marciano


1960's-70's (the golden era):
Clay/ Prime Ali
Liston
Frazier
Foreman
Norton
Holmes

1980's:
Holmes (overhill)
Tyson
Holyfield (lightheavy)
Lewis (just getting started)
Bowe (just getting started)

1990's:
Holmes (overhill)
Tyson (overhill)
Foreman (overhill)
Holyfield
Lewis
Bowe

2000's (damn we need new people :o):
Holmes (overhill)
Lewis (overhill)
Tyson (done)
Holyfield (overhill)
Bowe (overhill)
Toney (overhill and mildly brain damaged)

IF IF IF IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

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IF IF IF IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

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if your aunt has balls that means your cousin is adopted.

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I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

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I agree.. The opposition was not that tough. Sort of like Mike Tyson retiring after Spinks. That would have been the best move Mike could have made.

Marciano would still be undefeated without having to run his mouth and constantly tell everyone he is the greatest...whereas Ali would be lucky to win 12 against Marciano's opponnents.

i smell hater.....

Anybody can win any given fight. What ifs are coulda shoulda wouldas. If size and weight didn't matter then we'd have featherweight fighting super heavyweights. of course size matters. It doesn't guarantee a win every fight but it does give you advantages. Rocky ko'd joe louis when louis outweighed him by 20 some pounds. Size and greatness didn't matter in that fight, but it does in a lot of others.