When Brian Kenny asked Calzaghe if he wanted Kessler, he said he is a good fighter who he wants to get a couple more wins and that he would talk to him about it in 6 months. He said he was big and strong, but it could be a big fight if Kessler could raise his profile. Also said that he would want Taylor in Whales but for more money would accept a fight in the states. He said he loves Vegas.
Joe knows how to make you wait.
Yep. I liked what Joe had to say...up until that bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Kessler has done more than Joe at this point in their careers as far as opposition goes.
Kessler deserves the shot & honestly...I just can't shake the feeling that Joe is TRULY leary of making that fight happen. What killed me was the bullshit he started going on about the Andrade fight...trying to discredit Andrade after the fact. Andrade is a heck of a fighter & Kess fwockin hammered him out quite impressively.
In the end...I think that Taylor will fight the winner of Miranda Pavlik & that Joe will have no other bankable option but to fight Kess...or atleast that's how I hope that it turns out.
Actually...I'd love to see him fight & defeat Taylor...thus infuriating the Nard (who, unfortunately, I believe will defeat Winky) & thus blaze the road for a Hopkins Calzaghe super fight.
thats BULLLLLLLLLLL SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!
what else can kesssssler do? who would he have notable wins against in order for joe c to feel he is worthy?
I said a long time ago that Joe would not make this happen until the last possible moment. He did the same thing with Lacy. He told him to beat someone of merit, and when Lacy did he signed the contract and pulled out a week later then had the nerve to say that he wasn't coming to the U.S. unless Lacy beat someone of merit. Which he had just done with Reid and somewhat did with Pemberton. Lacy was the star of the show at that point and Joe still didn't want the fight unless Lacy went to Europe. And I still believe that had that fight happened in the US that Lacy would have performed much better. But that point is moot.
As for Kessler having the better body of work, not yet but if he keeps moving at this rate it won't be long. Reid and Lacy are the only two real good wins for Calzaghe. And some think Reid beat him. That's like 1.5 impressive defenses.
Mikkel Kessler can fight a much improved Mundine. Mundine is a much better fighter then he was when they first tangled but I don't know if he has improved enough to beat Kessler. Other then that, Lacy is in rehab. Warren would never put Froch in with him. Bute is still a prospect and Berrio just isn't that good. So I guess it's Mundine or....Sakio Bika?
The sad thing is, Joe is a better fighter then Kessler imo. I would definitely pick Joe Calzaghe to win. But he doesn't like to have to elevate his game to accommodate to new challenges if he doesn't have/want to. Or so it would seem. So sad that one of the best fighters on the planet has a record slightly more impressive then Sven Ottke.
The only other thing that Kess can do is chase Joe down in the street & make a brawl out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
I love Joe...believe you me...I do & I generally would go to the ends of the earth defending the man because I honestly believe that he's unbelieveably skilled & he's a class act from his toes to the last hair on his head...but this is gettin fwockin ree-gotdam-dickulous.
If you stop & view Joe's last 6 fights & then Kesslers last 6...it kinda makes you wonder why people don't view Kess as the Undisputed Super Champ.
Joe Calzaghe's Last 6 wins:
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Peter Manfredo Jr (26-3-0) 3rd Round Controversial TKO Stoppage
Sakio Bika (20-1-2) 12 Round Unanimous Decision
Jeff Lacy (21-0-0) 12 Round Career Defining Unanimous Decision
Evans Ashira (24-1-0) 12 Round Unanimous Decision
Mario Veit (45-1-0) 6th Round TKO
Kabary Salem (23-3-0) 12 Round Unanimous Decision. Joe was dropped.
Mikkel Kessler's Last 6 wins:
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Librado Andrade (24-0-0) 12 Round Unanimous Decision
Markus Beyer (34-2-1) 3rd Round Career Defining KO
Eric Lucas (38-6-3) 6th Round TKO
Anthony Mundine (23-2-0) 12 Round Career Defining Unanimous Decision
Manny Siaca (18-4-0) 8th Round Career Defining TKO
Anthony Thysse (15-3-0) 11th Round TKO
Now...if your'e wondering why I keep using "Career Defining" in these descriptions...it's not out of favor to either man...it's just the matches that brought them the most acclaim.
Personally...Kessler is more explosive in the ring while Calzaghe is a bit more dynamic.
In the end...I'm a huge fan of both...& while Kessler has impressed me more in the recent past...I've always been a fan of Joe...so my loyalty lies there...but Kess sho' does make it tuff on a fan.
Comparing the last 6 fights...Kessler has the edge of impression, IWHDO.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
CC,and what makes it more impressive is that I know you love JC but you don't let that lind your opinion! How can he ask Kessler to fight more big names,when he needs to do that himself! Kessler is still young and his resume is almost better than JC's already.
I want to see this dam fight ALOT,it would be awesome but JC is being an ass about it. Make no mistake,he is tremendously talented but imagine how much better of a legacy he would have left behind had he taken better fights.
Here is an oppertunity to rectify that and he is being a prick about it. I love his skills,but if they ever fought,I think I'd be rooting for Kessler,who seems willing to fight anyone. I think Mikkels won over a superb fighter in Mundine,is as good if not better than Joes' biggest win over Jeff. I thought Jeff was awesome but 1 dimensional,having seen more of Mundine,he really is an all round,top notch fighter.
I just don't understand who Joe wants Kess to fight apart from Mundine again?!
So he wants Kessler to have a few more fights but he had no problems what so ever fighting Lacy ??? right...
Its time we realize calzaghe for who he is. He is a good boxer, who is scared to fight decent opponents. His main aim is to finish his career undefeated, even if he continues to fight bums. He will never fight kessler. But i am hearing romours he wants a fight with mundine. I hope he gets schooled and shown for the girl he really is.
forget joe fighting mundine, proves nothing and joe beats him. if the fight with Taylor doesnt come off, he's just gota fight kessler.
Taylor/Kessler are the only two oppenents which joe can face next at SMW, worth facing.
If Joe doesnt pull off a fight with one of these two next then i have lost faith in you joe and you have lost a real big fan!!!!
Fantastic post.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
It also looks like Taylors next fight will be against Edison Miranda (aslong as they both win tonight) especially after Taylors outburst at the press conference-it looks like Miranda has got under his skin.
So Taylor/Miranda and Kessler/Mundine next and all top fights but it looks like Joe has messed-up and will have another meaningless fight. This is happenning to Joe far to much just to be a coincidence.
How many more lambs dose Kessler have to sacrifice. Just take the fight Joe Kessler is the best in that class.
This is what i call joe speak. You know what he said but that's not what he meant. he actually meant that kessler should take a few more fights, so that maybe kessler can lose in one of those fights, so joe never has to fight him. ever.
:coolclick: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by sexydarin
How did I know Joe would say something like that.
I believe this is Calzaghe showing his generous side...letting Kessler make some more money and win fights before he hands his arse to him on a plate.
But seriously, I think Calzaghe's put his cards on the table about the way he wants to go about things, and that is by fighting Jermain Taylor first, and then going after Kessler. Financially for him, if he's confident that he can beat them, that is probably the way to go, because a win against Taylor would put his profile through the roof in the states, thus making the unification with Kessler much more bankable for the biggest market in the world for boxing. The US.
I confess that I'm a big fan of Calzaghe, and I want to see him cement his legacy, but if he doesn't face Taylor or Kessler in his next fight, then I'll have to admit that he is bottling it, or Frank Warren is bottling it for him.
CMon Joe, and come on Jermain, lets get this one OOOOOON!
i like the fight specific round by round logo, you should link it to the round by round thread it references like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
http://homepage.eircom.net/~oggie85/Wackobanner2.jpg
also calzaghe is a pussy
you could also take it up a notch and center that bitch out
:D :D :D
I gotta say fuck calzhage.
Yes Kessler needs to step up and challenge a proper fighter, maybe ManFRODO "the Hobbit" before he can get a shot at Calzaghe :angel:
Joe is ducking.....does Kessler need to start fighting stiffs to get the attention needed?....follow in Joe C's footsteps perhaps?...Joe is hoping for kessler to lose(don't see it happening) so he can then say "He's not worthy of fighting for my BS title"......Joe is quickly falling down my list....FAST...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
Sal...you my friend are an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Your opinion holds about as much water as the male vergina. ;D
In the end...Joe has a great point...let Kess fight maybe two more fights on U.S. telee.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
HBO could market & sell the fwock outta Kessler vs Mundine II or Kessler vs Johnson.
Honestly...I woulda loved to have seen the RJJ fight come off...but Johnson would be a fantastic fight for Kessler...but it's near closing time to fit the Calzaghe deal.
I love Joe as a fighter, but if he doesn't fight Kessler now, I can't see it happening, JC has MAYBE 2 fights left in him, before his hands are completely destroyed and beyond repair.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
If I was kessler, I would take over the rest of the SMW division, take the ring rankings and work my way down OR
if fighting JC was that important, take on Calzaghe's "Career Defining Win" fights, and try to win more convincingly than Joe did (e.g. Lacy). If Kessler could defeat Lacy convincingly, that would completely nullify Calzaghe's number 1 at 168 for me.
Kessler- WBA,WBC Champion
Joe-WBO Champion
I dont think its up to Joe to dictate at this point
Not to mention Kessler has only 4 fewer Pro Fights,but is 7 years younger
So far in this thread, I've only seen ONE opinion defending Calzaghe for what amounts to a "blatant ducking" of Kessler. So, let me add my voice to the majority.
Haven't seen much of Calzaghe, but I did see the Manfredo fight. And like many other boxing fans, I'm sitting here with my arms crossed waiting for Calzaghe to have a REAL fight against a REAL opponent, so he can justify his undefeated record and his lofty status on p4p lists. Until then, I'm completely skeptical. And by talking about Kessler fighting a few more fights, sounds like the scared rabbit everyone is making him out to be. On the other hand, I did see Kessler's last fight against Andrade and came away TOTALLY impressed. So Calzaghe..... PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!
Calzaghe has had plenty of live opponents & honestly...you need to see more than just two or three Calzaghe fights to pass judgement...don't mean that as harsh as it sounded...but that is the reality of the matter. Before condemning a fighter to the depths that most lable Calzaghe...you HAVE TO see his other fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Kessler should just go on about his business of hammering out everyone else out there.
First it was Warren saying "Well we offered them the European TV rights and that MIGHT be worth......."
Now its Joe saying "Id like to see him get a couple more fights"
Whats next?
"The dog ate my title" ;D
Be that as it may, wacko... and I don't pretend to be the most knowledgeable about Calzaghe by any stretch of the imagination.... isn't it true that a true fighter should be chomping at the bit and ready to fight the best out there? And isn't it true that fighters should give fans the fights that they REALLY want? If so, where does Calzaghe get off saying that Kessler needs "a few more fights"? Sounds like an excuse to me, and until Calzaghe fesses up and calls out Kessler, my opinion remains unchanged. Remember, boxing needs every great bout it can get nowadays, and we can't afford for fighters to be pussy-footing around protecting unblemished records, which IMO is what Joe seems to be doing. Whether he admits to it or not, Calzaghe-Kessler is the next fight fans want to see, and all the hemming and hawing in the world isn't going to change that.
He knows how to duck aswell Joe is a hypocrite he fights the the bum off contender who had no good wins but fights him in a second but he won't fight number 2 some say number 1 in his own division uhh something smells fishy here and Wacko your saying let Kessler fight few more times well knowing Calzaghe he will prolly fight a bum do his hands in and retire this needs to happen now any real boxing fan knows Kessler don't need any more wins he is great fighter and has proved it and Calzaghe im sorry to say is ducking Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat