If you could build the perfect welterweight....

1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

I forgot about speed and footwork.....DANGIT!!!

A prime Ray Robinson alone would beat any super fighter

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A prime Ray Robinson alone would beat any super fighter

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Calling Taeth to the perfect welterweight thread, Taeth to the perfect welterweight thread, Thank you.

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A prime Ray Robinson alone would beat any super fighter

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Ray Robinson HANDS DOWN

hearns who can take punishment

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Damn good list man, I agree 100%. CC

miguel cotto.

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Damn good list man, I agree 100%. CC

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Thanks bro :coolclick: back.

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miguel cotto.

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Miguel Cotto isn't perfect Welterweight i don't think your getting it you choose all other strong attributes from different fighters to try and make perfect Welterweight.

I know man it was a joke. I was just trying to de-rail your conversation by getting abunch of Cotto love in it. ha ha ha.

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I know man it was a joke. I was just trying to de-rail your conversation by getting abunch of Cotto love in it. ha ha ha.

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Ok :)

The Perfect Welterweight was alreday built....They Called him

"Sugar" Ray Robinson....

SRR was great but wasn't perfect... but give him the defensive skills of a Pernell Whitaker and BOOM there you have it, the perfect fighter

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I agree.

You can take the best of any era and mix them up and come up with a super fighter/made up fighter and my money would be on SRR 10 out of 10 times.

Hearns would beat Robinson ;)

Obv you would sayrobinson.. But that takes the fun away from the game..

So my perfect welterweight would..

Be as vicious as roberto Duran

Have the skill and speed of leonard.. ( Not floyd.. He just doesnt throw combos)

Have the heart of Arturo Gatti

Have the power of Tommy Hearns

The chin of Julio Cesar Chavez

And last but not least.. He would have the ability to finish off and opponent of Felix Trinidad ;)


*Late Edit* ..And who could miss this.. Diego Corrales ring smarts..Ala Corrales-Castillo..
Dont matter what you say, Spitting the mouth piece probably won him that fight..Amongst other things ;) :)



























Oh..And of course He..Would Be a She.. This is MY perfect welter weight..And SHE would be a stunner

;D ;)

I would have a good rounded fighter that can adapt and think on his feet. Styles makes fights, but a fighter that can adapt to the style of his opponent usually turns out to be the better man.

As for Ray Robinson, I wouldn't need to build a superman, I would only need a Carlos Monzon. ;)

Carlos Monzon Chin
Mike Tyson's prime power
Emanuel Agustus' un-orthodoxness
Sugar Ray Leonards Flurries and Footwork
Thomas Hearns/Larry Holmes Jab
Cotto's body Attack
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Reflex and Stamina
(Manny Pacquioa's Heart/Aggression
Also Diego Corrales' Heart.)
Bernard Hopkin's Longevity
Muhammad Ali's Mouth and Charisma
Sweat Pea/Mayweather defense.
I left out intelligence and adaptability Ray Leonard or PBF are good.
Cotto's poker face.
ODLH's I can do no wrong attitude/Holy.

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Carlos Monzon Chin
Mike Tyson's prime power
Emanuel Agustus' un-orthodoxness
Sugar Ray Leonards Flurries and Footwork
Thomas Hearns/Larry Holmes Jab
Cotto's body Attack
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Reflex and Stamina
(Manny Pacquioa's Heart/Aggression
Also Diego Corrales' Heart.)
Bernard Hopkin's Longevity
Muhammad Ali's Mouth and Charisma
Sweat Pea/Mayweather defense.
I left out intelligence and adaptability Ray Leonard or PBF are good.
Cotto's poker face.
ODLH's I can do no wrong attitude/Holy.

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I think he meant just in Welterweight not fighters from heavyweight and middleweight ect.

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Hearns would beat Robinson ;)

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With a baseball bat.

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As for Ray Robinson, I wouldn't need to build a superman, I would only need a Carlos Monzon. ;)

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Good one, Monzon was a beast man...
What a fight that would have been.....
I love his fights against Griffith & Napoles some battles those were.....

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Hearns would beat Robinson ;)

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With a baseball bat.

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As for Ray Robinson, I wouldn't need to build a superman, I would only need a Carlos Monzon. ;)

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Good one, Monzon was a beast man...
What a fight that would have been.....
I love his fights against Griffith & Napoles some battles those were.....

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Hearns is faster than Robinson has more power and has longer reach and height advantage Hearns at Welterweight was a beast and i would pick him over Robinson in one on one match up i mean how many people can say they outboxed Leonard that easily Hearns was great fighter a Welterweight Robinson has better resume no doubt but one on one match up i pick Hearns.

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Carlos Monzon Chin
Mike Tyson's prime power
Emanuel Agustus' un-orthodoxness
Sugar Ray Leonards Flurries and Footwork
Thomas Hearns/Larry Holmes Jab
Cotto's body Attack
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Reflex and Stamina
(Manny Pacquioa's Heart/Aggression
Also Diego Corrales' Heart.)
Bernard Hopkin's Longevity
Muhammad Ali's Mouth and Charisma
Sweat Pea/Mayweather defense.
I left out intelligence and adaptability Ray Leonard or PBF are good.
Cotto's poker face.
ODLH's I can do no wrong attitude/Holy.

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I think he meant just in Welterweight not fighters from heavyweight and middleweight ect.

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Ah!
That would explain why I liked your choices they made great sense.

My bad.

But hey. The fighter I made would be pretty damn good, eh? LMAO

It would also explain why no one mentioned Roy Jones Jr.
Duh.
I need some slepp ;D

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Carlos Monzon Chin
Mike Tyson's prime power
Emanuel Agustus' un-orthodoxness
Sugar Ray Leonards Flurries and Footwork
Thomas Hearns/Larry Holmes Jab
Cotto's body Attack
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Reflex and Stamina
(Manny Pacquioa's Heart/Aggression
Also Diego Corrales' Heart.)
Bernard Hopkin's Longevity
Muhammad Ali's Mouth and Charisma
Sweat Pea/Mayweather defense.
I left out intelligence and adaptability Ray Leonard or PBF are good.
Cotto's poker face.
ODLH's I can do no wrong attitude/Holy.

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I would also add JermainTaylor's charm of the judges and he'd be nigh on unbeatable

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Carlos Monzon Chin
Mike Tyson's prime power
Emanuel Agustus' un-orthodoxness
Sugar Ray Leonards Flurries and Footwork
Thomas Hearns/Larry Holmes Jab
Cotto's body Attack
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Reflex and Stamina
(Manny Pacquioa's Heart/Aggression
Also Diego Corrales' Heart.)
Bernard Hopkin's Longevity
Muhammad Ali's Mouth and Charisma
Sweat Pea/Mayweather defense.
I left out intelligence and adaptability Ray Leonard or PBF are good.
Cotto's poker face.
ODLH's I can do no wrong attitude/Holy.

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I think he meant just in Welterweight not fighters from heavyweight and middleweight ect.

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Ah!
That would explain why I liked your choices they made great sense.

My bad.

But hey. The fighter I made would be pretty damn good, eh? LMAO

It would also explain why no one mentioned Roy Jones Jr.
Duh.
I need some slepp ;D

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Lol no prob mate and yes very good choices Danny cc.

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Carlos Monzon Chin
Mike Tyson's prime power
Emanuel Agustus' un-orthodoxness
Sugar Ray Leonards Flurries and Footwork
Thomas Hearns/Larry Holmes Jab
Cotto's body Attack
Floyd Mayweather Jr. Reflex and Stamina
(Manny Pacquioa's Heart/Aggression
Also Diego Corrales' Heart.)
Bernard Hopkin's Longevity
Muhammad Ali's Mouth and Charisma
Sweat Pea/Mayweather defense.
I left out intelligence and adaptability Ray Leonard or PBF are good.
Cotto's poker face.
ODLH's I can do no wrong attitude/Holy.

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I would also add JermainTaylor's charm of the judges and he'd be nigh on unbeatable

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:lolhaha: cc you little hobbit that was bloody hilarious ;D

:D good one.

I always thought Leonard was the best welter id seen. Robinson couldnt work going right to me thats a big flaw.

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Mickey Ward combo's
Hattons body attack
Hattons heart and desire
Hearns power
Mayweather's stamina and ring poise
JCC's chin for sure
Sugar's feet
and finally Oscar's class

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Mickey Ward combo's
Hattons body attack
Hattons heart and desire
Hearns power
Mayweather's stamina and ring poise
JCC's chin for sure
Sugar's feet
and finally Oscar's class

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Micky Ward never had the best combos and shouldnt be mentioned with those other guys....

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hearns who can take punishment

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cc#6 i was going to say hearns with an iron chin = AWSOME 8)

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hearns who can take punishment

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I agreed Tommy Hearns with Leonards chin and stamina beats even Robinson for me

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Mickey Ward combo's
Hattons body attack
Hattons heart and desire
Hearns power
Mayweather's stamina and ring poise
JCC's chin for sure
Sugar's feet
and finally Oscar's class

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Micky Ward never had the best combos and shouldnt be mentioned with those other guys....

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No But Micky's Body attacks were awsome...

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Mickey Ward combo's
Hattons body attack
Hattons heart and desire
Hearns power
Mayweather's stamina and ring poise
JCC's chin for sure
Sugar's feet
and finally Oscar's class

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Micky Ward never had the best combos and shouldnt be mentioned with those other guys....

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What did you miss the fifth round of Gatti fight.Or most of his fight.That man didnt have the greatest record but he did double up and wasnt afriad to let his hands go.

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Mickey Ward combo's
Hattons body attack
Hattons heart and desire
Hearns power
Mayweather's stamina and ring poise
JCC's chin for sure
Sugar's feet
and finally Oscar's class

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Micky Ward never had the best combos and shouldnt be mentioned with those other guys....

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What did you miss the fifth round of Gatti fight.Or most of his fight.That man didnt have the greatest record but he did double up and wasnt afriad to let his hands go.

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No doubt but he didn't have best combos we are talking about the best ever combos and Ward was far from having the best combos ever.

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1.) The Chin of Baldomir

2.) The Power of Zab Judah

3.) the body shots of Miguel Cotto (or Mickey Ward)

4.) the Heart of Gatti

5.) the boxing ability of Mayweather

6.) The left hook of De la hoya

7.) the stamina of Mayweather

8.) the market ability of De la hoya

what do yall think>>

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Thomas Hearns Power

Meldrick Taylors Combos

Sugar Ray Leonards Speed

Pernell Whitakers Defense

Julio Cesar Chavezs Body Shots

Kostya Tszyus Timing

Julio Cesar Chavezs Chin

Floyd Mayweathers Stamina

Sugar Ray Leonards Footwork

Arturo Gattis Heart

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Mickey Ward combo's
Hattons body attack
Hattons heart and desire
Hearns power
Mayweather's stamina and ring poise
JCC's chin for sure
Sugar's feet
and finally Oscar's class

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Micky Ward never had the best combos and shouldnt be mentioned with those other guys....

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What did you miss the fifth round of Gatti fight.Or most of his fight.That man didnt have the greatest record but he did double up and wasnt afriad to let his hands go.

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No doubt but he didn't have best combos we are talking about the best ever combos and Ward was far from having the best combos ever.

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Its a personal prefrence. I liked the guy and that flurry of combos in the 5th round was probally the best I have ever scene.

I just like Mickey Ward. I'm half Irish what else am I supposed to do.

Hey its cool man. I love ward and gatti too. Gotta love heart. ;)