Zahir Raheem

Most boring fighter in the world today?

I didn't get to see the fights last night so not much to say but seriously I'll probably never watch him fight again after the fight with Cruz on friday. Horrible, for a guy who's considered to be on a high level, he is unbelievably sloppy.

Seriously though, watching a fight like that, excessive holding needs to be penalized. Raheem should have been disqualified. The ref was disgusting, I think he finally warned him in like the 10th round and Raheem went right back to holding. And he was doing it against a no hoper. He can't even hold properly, what's with the grabbing the other guys legs, who else does that? He's got such terrible balance, its just comical watching him grabbing the guy's legs and having both of them fall over. One of the worst fights I've ever seen coming right after the Freitas fight, also one of the worst fights I've ever seen.

I actually like him a a personality but his last two outings have looked poor.

He's in the horrible prediciment of being very hard to beat but entirely unexciting to watch meaning he'll find it hard to land one of the big names for a title shot.

yea that was a horrible fight, for a 10 round fight raheem look dead tired at some point. He hugged and hugged, he was suppose to shine against cruz but I would of gave the win to cruz. scoring in boxing is a total mess, boxing doesn't need any more fighters like raheem. and raheem needs to stop riding that win over morales for the rest of his career because so far his a one hit wonder.

i think raheem is a awfull fighter.

Its amazing how far he's fallen since the Morales fight.

That guy he was fighting was perfect for him, and he still didn't look good.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I actually like him a a personality but his last two outings have looked poor.

He's in the horrible prediciment of being very hard to beat but entirely unexciting to watch meaning he'll find it hard to land one of the big names for a title shot.

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very hard to beat is an overstatement imo.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Its amazing how far he's fallen since the Morales fight.

That guy he was fighting was perfect for him, and he still didn't look good.

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I hear he's next in line for a shot at Taylor ;D

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Its amazing how far he's fallen since the Morales fight.

That guy he was fighting was perfect for him, and he still didn't look good.

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thats how awful he is.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

yea that was a horrible fight, for a 10 round fight raheem look dead tired at some point. He hugged and hugged, he was suppose to shine against cruz but I would of gave the win to cruz. scoring in boxing is a total mess, boxing doesn't need any more fighters like raheem. and raheem needs to stop riding that win over morales for the rest of his career because so far his a one hit wonder.

i think raheem is a awfull fighter.

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Well I thought he won, Cruz didn't land much at all, Raheem landed the better punches.

But I think he should have either had points taken away or been disqualified.

Its like with the Juarez fight, maybe the ref was too harsh on him, I never thought he was as bad as most people did because I do think excessive holding should be penalized. But the problem I had with it, after the ref started penalizing Raheem for holding behind the head, why did he continue to do it?

i like raheem but he has fell off. he should try and fight casymayor.

Raheem is a good fighter. But his style would make it so that people don't want to fight him. But I think he could beat the title holders out there. But they won't fight him because of his style. Very similar to what byrd and wright went through. But I think his trainer Don House should work on developing a better jab for him. If Raheem had a consistant jab he would be 10 times the fighter he is now.

his jab was pretty good in the morales fight. i remember him throwin like 8 jabs at time at morales at one point.

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

his jab was pretty good in the morales fight. i remember him throwin like 8 jabs at time at morales at one point.

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yeah but he hasn't been consistant with it since then, which is why I think he hasn't been as impressive. Don House should dig that into him.

But I think it's also that Morales stands straight up and Raheem could hit him with the counter right at will too.

I think Raheem's going through the motions at this point.

He'll probably be top form IF he gets another big fight opportunity. I'd like to see him against Casamayor.

I'm not even going into his actual ability although I don't think as highly of him as some people do. Its just he's awful to watch, that's all I'm talking about.

A fight with Casamayor would be ugly as hell, I'd favor Casamayor even though he's getting older.

If he came into a fight with Juan Diaz in the kind of shape he came into the Cruz fight he would get a monumental beatdown. His legs looked totally shot, he was gassed much more than he should have been, his balance was absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think too much of Julio Diaz but then again right now I don't think too much of Raheem.

I wonder if he cuts too much weight, that's almost what it looks like, cause his legs are just weak, balance is horrible. You could see that a little in the Morales fight but not as much as the last two fights or the Juarez fight where his legs looked shot too.

the only reason i say casmayor is because i know caysamayor will fight anybody and is a big name. that could be a tough fight though.

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

the only reason i say casmayor is because i know caysamayor will fight anybody and is a big name. that could be a tough fight though.

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I think that Raheem and Casamayor fight is a pick em fight.

And I think Raheem takes Julio Diaz.

Juan Diaz... Raheem would need a consistant jab for that one and I'd like to see him fight Julio Diaz first.

i get the diaz's confused. which one just beat freitas.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I actually like him a a personality but his last two outings have looked poor.

He's in the horrible prediciment of being very hard to beat but entirely unexciting to watch meaning he'll find it hard to land one of the big names for a title shot.

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very hard to beat is an overstatement imo.

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I disagree. You could easily make a case for him being undefeated still. He lost a very close and somewhat debated decision to Rocky Juarez and had 3 point deductions in that fight and I personally felt he just about did enough to win the Freitas fight, messy affair that it was.

None of the guys at 135 would relish taking him on imo.

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

i get the diaz's confused. which one just beat freitas.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm not even going into his actual ability although I don't think as highly of him as some people do. Its just he's awful to watch, that's all I'm talking about.

A fight with Casamayor would be ugly as hell, I'd favor Casamayor even though he's getting older.

If he came into a fight with Juan Diaz in the kind of shape he came into the Cruz fight he would get a monumental beatdown. His legs looked totally shot, he was gassed much more than he should have been, his balance was absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think too much of Julio Diaz but then again right now I don't think too much of Raheem.

I wonder if he cuts too much weight, that's almost what it looks like, cause his legs are just weak, balance is horrible. You could see that a little in the Morales fight but not as much as the last two fights or the Juarez fight where his legs looked shot too.

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They did say on the show that he took this fight on two weeks notice and had to drop over 20 lbs. He was on an IV the night before the fight to rehydrate.

I still hope to see something from him.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I actually like him a a personality but his last two outings have looked poor.

He's in the horrible prediciment of being very hard to beat but entirely unexciting to watch meaning he'll find it hard to land one of the big names for a title shot.

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very hard to beat is an overstatement imo.

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I disagree. You could easily make a case for him being undefeated still. He lost a very close and somewhat debated decision to Rocky Juarez and had 3 point deductions in that fight and I personally felt he just about did enough to win the Freitas fight, messy affair that it was.

None of the guys at 135 would relish taking him on imo.

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Very true, thats why I'd compare him to Wright(not in terms of greatness) but in terms of he's a good fighter with an awkward and sometimes awful to watch style that looks sloppy and etc, but put him in against a top fighter and he can and has beat them. And no fighter wants to take risk of being in an ugly fight that they look bad in and end up losing their title too. No fighter would take the risk of fighting Zahir Raheem. With the fact that yeah he can look bad, but he also wins while doing it. What fighter is gonna take that chance?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

They did say on the show that he took this fight on two weeks notice and had to drop over 20 lbs. He was on an IV the night before the fight to rehydrate.

I still hope to see something from him.

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Funny how ESPN totally dissed him after the fight then ::**

Tesitore is now on my hit list ;)

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I'm not even going into his actual ability although I don't think as highly of him as some people do. Its just he's awful to watch, that's all I'm talking about.

A fight with Casamayor would be ugly as hell, I'd favor Casamayor even though he's getting older.

If he came into a fight with Juan Diaz in the kind of shape he came into the Cruz fight he would get a monumental beatdown. His legs looked totally shot, he was gassed much more than he should have been, his balance was absolutely ridiculous.

I don't think too much of Julio Diaz but then again right now I don't think too much of Raheem.

I wonder if he cuts too much weight, that's almost what it looks like, cause his legs are just weak, balance is horrible. You could see that a little in the Morales fight but not as much as the last two fights or the Juarez fight where his legs looked shot too.

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They did say on the show that he took this fight on two weeks notice and had to drop over 20 lbs. He was on an IV the night before the fight to rehydrate.

I still hope to see something from him.

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I've gotten so tired of hearing Teddy Atlas talk that I have it on mute most of the time.

It does look like that though, that does make sense, I know he was drained in the Juarez fight, I don't know about the Freitas fight and there his legs and balance looked pretty bad too.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Most boring fighter in the world today?

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I guess Taylor could be making a run for it.

The Winky fight was pretty good but that was because of Winky pressing the fight.

Raheem isn't that much of a risk. He isn't avoided because he's a huge risk. Winky was avoided because he is a huge risk.

It's that he's completely one dimensional, throws one punch at a time, and has awful balance which makes for terrible fights that nobody likes. He just isn't that good of a fighter. He looked good beating Morales, but that was because Morales was a shell in the ring that night. In his follow up, he goes out and bent over at the hip every fight.

The guy he was fighting was made for a fast, accurate counterpuncher like Zahir Raheem should be. He was wide open and leading with his head, yet Raheem threw nothing as he was coming forward. He would either scoot away or tie up.

Then when Raheem was on the outside and the guy wasn't charging forward, he would lunge in with one punch and tie up. Raheem is not a top fighter imo, any of the champs, with the exception of maybe Julio Diaz, would tear him up.

And you're right, there isn't a more boring fighter.