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How would Bruce Lee have done fighting in professinal MMA
People who knew Bruce say that he was a phenomanal athlete and Martial Artist. How would he have done fighting other fighters who have combined different fighting styles together and do it on a professional level. What do you guy's think?
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Re: How would Bruce Lee have done fighting in professinal MMA
Bruce Lee would have done poorly with the skill set he had at the time of his death. He didn't have a style really applicable to MMA and while he dabbled in grappling with Judo Gene LeBell, it wasn't very strong.
If he had trained as an MMA fighter? I don't know, we'll never know.
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I think Bruce dominates the division he is in.
he can only weigh like 130lbs or something.
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I was wondering this myself
MMA has a habit of quickly disgarding any fighting style or technique that is not effective. Kung Fu and Karate have not survived as a realistic form of fighting.
I think Bruce Lee would have lasted ok at the very beggining of the UFC but fall short when he was up against a Royce Gracie or a Ken Shamrock that would grab him and pull him to the mat.
This isn't to say he wouldn't adapt. He had an unquenchable urge to learn fighting techniques and would have loved the MMA era.
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he whoops all them because can take punch
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
he whoops all them because can take punch
....and he knows how to punch.....oh did I say punch I meant "strike"....that's the term we're using right??? "Strike"
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
he whoops all them because can take punch
....and he knows how to punch.....oh did I say punch I meant "strike"....that's the term we're using right??? "Strike"
yeah, yeah, yeah, he can "strike" randy johnson can stike oh i mean throw strikes, but maybe its the same..
so did chuck liddell get "struck out"?
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I am an avid Lee fan, and he has some great readings, teachings and theory's..>However, his art was not meant for sport..>he would be the first tell you that he wouldnt hesitate to bite someone, grab their groin, or even gouge them in there eye...His art was designed for utlimate self defense and strength of the mind...Not an athelitic competition... I truly feel he could've or would've won many fights, but wouldn't be unstoppable in the least (pains me to say that) - But the reality of MMA, is any man can win on any given day..>Thats why it is soooo hard to have a dominate fighter like in boxing (which is dimininshing due to money)...but thats a whole nother discussion all together...
All in all, i love and respect what Bruce stood for and what he aimed to accomplish...And 30 years or so from his un-timely death his art was never meant for sport, and it never will be...
I would've loved to see him try, but then again would he be held in the same light if we saw him choked out on national television....i think not :-\
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Jeet Kune Do
The style of no style,he'd have eaten MMA up
There isnt anyone in MMA that could take the one inch punch
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i think with his style, he would of been evasive, but when caught, he would of gotten crushed
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Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
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Originally Posted by cnote111
Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
No not really,Ive trained in Jeets sister form Ed Parker Ken Po
The whole idea is to strike hard,and use what works in the situation you are in
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Originally Posted by steady_E
I was wondering this myself
MMA has a habit of quickly disgarding any fighting style or technique that is not effective. Kung Fu and Karate have not survived as a realistic form of fighting.
I think Bruce Lee would have lasted ok at the very beggining of the UFC but fall short when he was up against a Royce Gracie or a Ken Shamrock that would grab him and pull him to the mat.
This isn't to say he wouldn't adapt. He had an unquenchable urge to learn fighting techniques and would have loved the MMA era.
Shamrock and Royce are both at least 3 wieght classes above Bruce lees I think for his wieght he would be both fast and strong. So i dont think he would get overpowered by grapplers. I did read his book and it did include some ground game. He would need some work on it but i think he would be willing to learn.
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how dare you compare kenpo with Bruce Lee ???
In several ways Lee was a pioneer of MMA lets not forget that he did borrow from styles, judo, boxing, fencing, mt, savate
As cnote rightly pointed out jkd was/is not a sport and was never taught or practicised as a sport which ufc/pride is.
The point was not to have every throw, choke and sub from judo but to have the simpilest and most direct action. A solid hip throw and the odd variation is good enough against the goon on the street, not for the mat.
It wasn't as if he was advocating being a vigilante, whilst the Tao of JKD shows the method and thought behind JKD if you want to know what it is read his self defence books - that is JKD.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Jeet Kune Do
The style of no style,he'd have eaten MMA up
There isnt anyone in MMA that could take the one inch punch
one inch punch is a joke, Bruce Lee was a joke....and if Chuck Norris hit Bruce with the spinning back kick, Brandon Lee would have been a still born......
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Jeet Kune Do
The style of no style,he'd have eaten MMA up
There isnt anyone in MMA that could take the one inch punch
one inch punch is a joke, Bruce Lee was a joke....and if Chuck Norris hit Bruce with the spinning back kick, Brandon Lee would have been a still born......
Yea, and IF your computer screen blows up you lose your face....same same i guess, pretty big "IF"
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
No not really,Ive trained in Jeets sister form Ed Parker Ken Po
The whole idea is to strike hard,and use what works in the situation you are in
You just agreed me.....USE WHAT WORKS IN THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN!!! and guess what if your pinned down what would be stopping you from grabbing the groing or biting your opponent...>OHH thats right, the rules...how could i forget the rules...Rules are exactly what make JKD limited..>NOT USELESS>..just limited...Deal with it!
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Get on youtube and watch his two inch punch that floors a 180 lb man.
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Originally Posted by cnote111
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
No not really,Ive trained in Jeets sister form Ed Parker Ken Po
The whole idea is to strike hard,and use what works in the situation you are in
You just agreed me.....USE WHAT WORKS IN THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN!!! and guess what if your pinned down what would be stopping you from grabbing the groing or biting your opponent...>OHH thats right, the rules...how could i forget the rules...Rules are exactly what make JKD limited..>NOT USELESS>..just limited...Deal with it!
Not really,actually not at all,not one iota actually
What is the situation in an MMA bout?
Well deal with that
Both styles describe the when and wheres of going dirty,that would obviously not be the correct situation
We were trained to also know your social situation,and to understand that taking out an opponent while creating mutual respect,instead of lasting emnity was preferable
But we were also trained that,sometimes its just gotta go away,dont play nice
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Originally Posted by Missy
how dare you compare kenpo with Bruce Lee ???
In several ways Lee was a pioneer of MMA lets not forget that he did borrow from styles, judo, boxing, fencing, mt, savate
As cnote rightly pointed out jkd was/is not a sport and was never taught or practicised as a sport which ufc/pride is.
The point was not to have every throw, choke and sub from judo but to have the simpilest and most direct action. A solid hip throw and the odd variation is good enough against the goon on the street, not for the mat.
It wasn't as if he was advocating being a vigilante, whilst the Tao of JKD shows the method and thought behind JKD if you want to know what it is read his self defence books - that is JKD.
Ed Parker Ken-Po is not proper Taiwan Ken Po
Ed Parker was Lee's best friend in the states,and was heavily influenced by Lee
How dare you not know the difference?
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Jeet Kune Do
The style of no style,he'd have eaten MMA up
There isnt anyone in MMA that could take the one inch punch
one inch punch is a joke, Bruce Lee was a joke....and if Chuck Norris hit Bruce with the spinning back kick, Brandon Lee would have been a still born......
Actually it wasn't mate! If you knew anything about boxing, fighting sports whatever, you'd know that how your body twists, leans, etc makes a difference to power.
Bruce Lee once wrote in one of his books that this 'thing' he discovered, which he called 'Inner Force' or 'Focused Energy', was simply the way he put his whole body into it.
So the 1-inch punch was very powerful and very effective.
Bruce lee wasn't a joke, he existed. He isn't a myth. Lol.
And Chuck Norris beating Bruce Lee? Highly unlikely.
He even stated in a magazine interveiw that 'He [Bruce Lee] was alot stronger and more powerful then I am or anyone I have ever known. Would I have defeated him if that scene was real? No. I would have gave him a good run, but would of came of second best."
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And do I think Lee would have dominated UFC or MMA?
No, I believe he would of went very far, but there is always someone better.
What do I find far out is the scene from that movie 'Cradle 2 the grave' starring DMX and Jet Li.
I reckon Jet Li rocks, but that scene when he beats like 10 UFC fighters by himself. Highly unlikely.
Then again, anything is possible in Hollywood.
Haha.
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the mans a legend, no doubt about that.. an mma fighter? not convinced.. even the lightweight fighters need well rounded grappling skills, perhaps if he'd lived in the MMA era he would have adapted his training though. He was an incredible athlete.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Missy
how dare you compare kenpo with Bruce Lee ???
In several ways Lee was a pioneer of MMA lets not forget that he did borrow from styles, judo, boxing, fencing, mt, savate
As cnote rightly pointed out jkd was/is not a sport and was never taught or practicised as a sport which ufc/pride is.
The point was not to have every throw, choke and sub from judo but to have the simplest and most direct action. A solid hip throw and the odd variation is good enough against the goon on the street, not for the mat.
It wasn't as if he was advocating being a vigilante, whilst the Tao of JKD shows the method and thought behind JKD if you want to know what it is read his self defence books - that is JKD.
Ed Parker Ken-Po is not proper Taiwan Ken Po
Ed Parker was Lee's best friend in the states,and was heavily influenced by Lee
How dare you not know the difference?
know or care? and for that matter every self defence class is influenced by Lee 8)
I think what is not in doubt is his athletic ability, determination and adaptability.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
No not really,Ive trained in Jeets sister form Ed Parker Ken Po
The whole idea is to strike hard,and use what works in the situation you are in
You just agreed me.....USE WHAT WORKS IN THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN!!! and guess what if your pinned down what would be stopping you from grabbing the groing or biting your opponent...>OHH thats right, the rules...how could i forget the rules...Rules are exactly what make JKD limited..>NOT USELESS>..just limited...Deal with it!
Not really,actually not at all,not one iota actually
What is the situation in an MMA bout?
Well deal with that
Both styles describe the when and wheres of going dirty,that would obviously not be the correct situation
We were trained to also know your social situation,and to understand that taking out an opponent while creating mutual respect,instead of lasting emnity was preferable
But we were also trained that,sometimes its just gotta go away,dont play nice
According to Lee...and i quote "JKD is a style that should never be like the Bible in which the principles and Laws can never be violated." ie Rules according to sport...
Don't get me wrong, Lee participated in many forms of competitive combat, but they were used as practice and training for the overall big picture...Oneness to the Art or Artlessness of JKD.
The situation in MMA is not, or will never be what JKD is about...your being silly...I do however have a profound respect for you and your support to Lee and JKD...
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Originally Posted by cnote111
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
No not really,Ive trained in Jeets sister form Ed Parker Ken Po
The whole idea is to strike hard,and use what works in the situation you are in
You just agreed me.....USE WHAT WORKS IN THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN!!! and guess what if your pinned down what would be stopping you from grabbing the groing or biting your opponent...>OHH thats right, the rules...how could i forget the rules...Rules are exactly what make JKD limited..>NOT USELESS>..just limited...Deal with it!
Not really,actually not at all,not one iota actually
What is the situation in an MMA bout?
Well deal with that
Both styles describe the when and wheres of going dirty,that would obviously not be the correct situation
We were trained to also know your social situation,and to understand that taking out an opponent while creating mutual respect,instead of lasting emnity was preferable
But we were also trained that,sometimes its just gotta go away,dont play nice
According to Lee...and i quote "JKD is a style that should never be like the Bible in which the principles and Laws can never be violated." ie Rules according to sport...
Don't get me wrong, Lee participated in many forms of competitive combat, but they were used as practice and training for the overall big picture...Oneness to the Art or Artlessness of JKD.
The situation in MMA is not, or will never be what JKD is about...your being silly...I do however have a profound respect for you and your support to Lee and JKD...
Not really
His point was,that forms and styles become dogmatic,rather then dealing with the situations at hand.
Most instructors explain point blank,when teaching a kata in Ed Parker,that it will be a cold day in hell when all of your attackers are lined up exactly like the kata goes,but you need to get your head around the concept of multiple attackers.
And as far as an inability to play by the rules,form 3 begins with a shot straight to the family jewels
Have I ever,thrown a shot there in a tournament
No,its never come up
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by cnote111
Jeet Kune Do would be seriously constricted in MMA....This "style of no style" so to speak has no rules as well....MMA does...so its null and void..
Thats like a boxer not being able to use an uppercut or a hook to the body...
Jeet Kune Do allows every part of your body as a weapon, and also atks all of the vulnerable areas of your opponent...This is not for sport...I don't know how else to explain it... :-X
No not really,Ive trained in Jeets sister form Ed Parker Ken Po
The whole idea is to strike hard,and use what works in the situation you are in
You just agreed me.....USE WHAT WORKS IN THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN!!! and guess what if your pinned down what would be stopping you from grabbing the groing or biting your opponent...>OHH thats right, the rules...how could i forget the rules...Rules are exactly what make JKD limited..>NOT USELESS>..just limited...Deal with it!
Not really,actually not at all,not one iota actually
What is the situation in an MMA bout?
Well deal with that
Both styles describe the when and wheres of going dirty,that would obviously not be the correct situation
We were trained to also know your social situation,and to understand that taking out an opponent while creating mutual respect,instead of lasting emnity was preferable
But we were also trained that,sometimes its just gotta go away,dont play nice
According to Lee...and i quote "JKD is a style that should never be like the Bible in which the principles and Laws can never be violated." ie Rules according to sport...
Don't get me wrong, Lee participated in many forms of competitive combat, but they were used as practice and training for the overall big picture...Oneness to the Art or Artlessness of JKD.
The situation in MMA is not, or will never be what JKD is about...your being silly...I do however have a profound respect for you and your support to Lee and JKD...
Not really
His point was,that forms and styles become dogmatic,rather then dealing with the situations at hand.
Most instructors explain point blank,when teaching a kata in Ed Parker,that it will be a cold day in hell when all of your attackers are lined up exactly like the kata goes,but you need to get your head around the concept of multiple attackers.
And as far as an inability to play by the rules,form 3 begins with a shot straight to the family jewels
Have I ever,thrown a shot there in a tournament
No,its never come up
We both agree here, the only difference is our few on how well JKD works in MMA...and i think JKD becomes a bit restricted to its fullest potential when being used for sport...>JKD just wasn't designed for competition, and you will never convince me otherwise...And vice versa i guess...Maybe i'm just not understanding what point your trying to get across here...
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Not entirely sure whether to take this thread seriously or not.
Jeet Kune Do is self defence. Watch a Vunak vid and its very much around biting, gouging, groin strikes and using economy of motion to attack the most vulnerable target with the most direct tool.
Thats not MMA.
In answer to the original question, well, we will never know how Lee would have fared in the sport as it stands today. If he would have been plucked straight out of 1971 and put into the octagon against a top MMAist today then 'one inch punch' or not...he's getting soundly beaten. However with his attributes and if he trained in the sport of MMA and adapted some of his stuff he could no doubt have been a great contender.
One of those things...we will never know.
Lee developed the Jeet Kune Do system for self defence. Not as a sport.
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Hey it is not a real match / fight.
It is a stunt "seen" O0
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