IF MIRANDA MOVES UPTO 168LBS LIKE HE SAYS HE WILL
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
Miranda would get beaten badly by Kessler and Calzaghe.
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Miranda is exciting for sure but apart from a punch he has little else.
His power didnt beat Pavlik or Abrahams , see my point ?
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He would get spanked by both Calzaghe and Kessler.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
He ran out of gas because he was eating right hands like a all you can eat buffett. Pavlik and Miranda both naturally wiegh around 172 lbs. He just got beat plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by southakron314
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
He ran out of gas because he was eating right hands like a all you can eat buffett. Pavlik and Miranda both naturally wiegh around 172 lbs. He just got beat plain and simple.
As entertainig and fan friendly as Miranda is he has glaring defeciancies.... Defense and Lack of fundamental skill will be severly limit him... Pavlik just tore him to pieces, Miranda has heart, he hung in there despite getting buzzed early and often, and also he has a sturdy beard. Those right hands he was getting clocked with could have knocked a horse out..
But I think he needs to move up in weight even the announcers were saying he has trouble making Middle now, and it was apparent in his lack of energy and usual pop in his punches :-\ I am not taking away from Pavliks win or performance, But Pantera needs to move up and not drain himself anymore
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
As others have already said he didn't just run out of gas in the 6th, he had the shit beaten out of him for the 5 preceding rounds.
I don't see how moving up will help improve his boxing ability.
In my opinion he needs to stay where he is (160 is a far weaker division than 168) and improve his skills.
Nigel Benn after getting knocked out by Watson and Eubank was able to transform himself into more well rounded boxer puncher and Sam Peter has had some success improving his skills over the past couple years.
He now knows that he can't just blast people out at will and needs to learn to box. Whether he can do that is what will determine his future success, not what weight he's fighting at.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
Kessler will kill miranda, probably worse then pavlik.
I like Miranda for his determination, power and chin, but the guy just doesn't have the skills to keep up with kessler.
I think pavlik vs kessler @ super middle would be a great fight.
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IF MIRANDA MOVES UPTO 168LBS LIKE HE SAYS HE WILL...
He'll get the shit beat outta him unless he improves his defense and learns to respect the man across the ring from him.
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He'll get the shit beat outta him unless he improves his defense and learns to respect the man across the ring from him.
I agree, too raw at the minute, hugely talented as a puncher but too chinny to fight like he does at the minute, with some serious tweaking he could become something pretty special, but at the minute he's suffering Benn syndrome, without a good chin.
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He'll get the S*** beat outta him unless he improves his defense and learns to respect the man across the ring from him.
I agree, too raw at the minute, hugely talented as a puncher but too chinny to fight like he does at the minute, with some serious tweaking he could become something pretty special, but at the minute he's suffering Benn syndrome, without a good chin.
I don't know about all that babe...here's why...
I don't think it's a question of chin in Miranda's corner...Pavlik punches like a gotdam mule kicks.
He's knocked out 28 of his 31 opponents & Miranda has proven to be durable enough by taking shots from Abraham, Green, & Gibbs just to mention a few. Pavlik must be credited for being able to blast him out. It's hard to imagine many others at 160lbs being able to handle those bombs.
Much respect to Pavlik.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
IF MIRANDA MOVES UPTO 168LBS LIKE HE SAYS HE WILL...
He'll get the S*** beat outta him unless he improves his defense and learns to respect the man across the ring from him.
I agree, too raw at the minute, hugely talented as a puncher but too chinny to fight like he does at the minute, with some serious tweaking he could become something pretty special, but at the minute he's suffering Benn syndrome, without a good chin.
I don't know about all that babe...here's why...
I don't think it's a question of chin in Miranda's corner...Pavlik punches like a gotdam mule kicks.
He's knocked out 28 of his 31 opponents & Miranda has proven to be durable enough by taking shots from Abraham, Green, & Gibbs just to mention a few. Pavlik must be credited for being able to blast him out. It's hard to imagine many others at 160lbs being able to handle those bombs.
Much respect to Pavlik.
Good points man, Pavlik's power is definitly very good, I just think 160 is a long way down for Miranda, I thought Miranda looked very dry on the way down and on the scales, I was careful not to mention this, I don't want anyone thinking its sour grapes but he looked very weight drained, the punches were effecting his equilibrium a lot rather than knocking him out, cos they weren't hard enough to knock him out, but making his legs jelly repeatedly, sometimes with glancing shots. I dunno. Its true there was nothing wrong with his beard when he faught Abe, but perhaps going to 168 could give Miranda the 'Cotto' effect. Perhaps he should move his head more ;).
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He needs lots of time in the gym and he needs to watch his weight and above all stop looping his punches. His jab is not good and he seems like he truly is a one handed fighter. He's got to go back to school and take a crash course in boxing. There's more to fighting than a right hand punch.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
IF MIRANDA MOVES UPTO 168LBS LIKE HE SAYS HE WILL...
He'll get the S*** beat outta him unless he improves his defense and learns to respect the man across the ring from him.
I agree, too raw at the minute, hugely talented as a puncher but too chinny to fight like he does at the minute, with some serious tweaking he could become something pretty special, but at the minute he's suffering Benn syndrome, without a good chin.
I don't know about all that babe...here's why...
I don't think it's a question of chin in Miranda's corner...Pavlik punches like a gotdam mule kicks.
He's knocked out 28 of his 31 opponents & Miranda has proven to be durable enough by taking shots from Abraham, Green, & Gibbs just to mention a few. Pavlik must be credited for being able to blast him out. It's hard to imagine many others at 160lbs being able to handle those bombs.
Much respect to Pavlik.
Good points man, Pavlik's power is definitly very good, I just think 160 is a long way down for Miranda, I thought Miranda looked very dry on the way down and on the scales, I was careful not to mention this, I don't want anyone thinking its sour grapes but he looked very weight drained, the punches were effecting his equilibrium a lot rather than knocking him out, cos they weren't hard enough to knock him out, but making his legs jelly repeatedly, sometimes with glancing shots. I dunno. Its true there was nothing wrong with his beard when he faught Abe, but perhaps going to 168 could give Miranda the 'Cotto' effect. Perhaps he should move his head more ;).
:coolclick: I agree...something wasn't right about Miranda...but I just can't say with a clean conscience or even adsuredly that it wasn't Pavlik's hands that dried his ass up. I mean he REALLY busted Miranda up.
I do have to disagree...unfortunately...again...about his punches being glancing or that they weren't hard enough to knock him out. Miranda has a hellacious chin. Watch the match again & look at how fucked up Edison's face was. Pavlik was unloading on him with bricks in his gloves. Credit to Miranda for trying to keep getting up offa the mat...but Pavlik planted his ass there 3 times & it woulda been 4 had the ropes not held Miranda up.
He hits hard babe...extremely. Miranda counted bulbs two or three times off of hooks & not uppers from Pavlik. I'm tellin ya...he was gettin ripped.
I just, again, can't be sure about the weight issue as it just seemed like an excuse in the line of a debilitating loss. While I see what you are saying...& what Miranda is saying...but watch again & pay attention to the shots & how Miranda reacted to them. Abraham is also a bit of a cracker & he caught Miranda quite a few times that most Miranda fans refused to acknowledge...but never NEVER EVER was Miranda that hurt.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
He ran out of gas because he was eating right hands like a all you can eat buffett. Pavlik and Miranda both naturally wiegh around 172 lbs. He just got beat plain and simple.
thats a straight up answer.. i was gonna say hes been eating reyes gloves all night.. who would have stood up to that??? maybe the guy that kessler fought.. librado andrade
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Even if Miranda was weight drained had he had a jab, defense, an inside game, a straight that he didn't have to bring from right field, balance, head movement, his hands up, footwork, and fundamentals he would have still won ;)
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I've just watched the fight twice again and there's a few things I've noticed.
#1 is Pavlik's chin, very impressive, a good chin comes from seeing the shots coming and I think his amateur experience has come in handy there cos some of the stuff Miranda was throwing was still pretty big.
#2 was the lack of hand speed from Miranda, I think Pavlik just rattled his cage so badly in that first round that everything just went to shit for Edison that night, his legs weren't right, he wasn't focused, and everything just lacked the usual pop from edison, which says a lot for Pavlik, and nicely brings me on to...
#3 Pavlik's power, Wacko keeps telling me this and the bwoy is gotdamn rizight! The way he punches is really weird, reminds me of Tito, just long and laser like and seemingly impossible power for the type of punches he throws. Miranda was fighting with all his might, but just couldn't live with the power and the volume, thats a mighty combination.
While I still think Miranda was probably weight drained, the Miranda that beat Eastman, Gibbs, Green, and took Abe to the wire gets smoked by Kelly Pavlik.
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Originally Posted by tysonbruno
If miranda moves upto Supermiddle like he says he will perhaps we will get Calzaghe vs Miranda it was quite obvious in round 6 that Miranda just ran out of gas perhaps he is struggling at the weight it was weird one minute he was punching then he just stopped and backed off i thought to myself he's run out of gas.But one things for sure he will light the supermiddle weight devision up and with them heavy hands he will definately win a world title Miranda vs Calzaghe Miranda vs Kessler 2 massive fights this will be great.
Miranda would get beaten badly by Kessler and Calzaghe.
I'm not sure you know. Abraham is a very good european fighter like Kessler and he struggled like fwock. If Miranda is stronger at 12 stone, it becomes a very interesting fight. Miranda stil wouldn't be that big name that calzaghe needs on his resume tho.
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Miranda just makes your mouth water though he has the similar appeal Tyson had with them big ko's
