Clinton Portis and Chris Samuels are idiots

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I usually don't get this fired up but....

#1 Michael Vick is not a community role model. He's an idiot, I used to at least respect his skill but let's face facts he's a piece of shit.

#2 Dog fighting is mean....I have a dog and I think it's really juvenile to fight dogs, they aren't built for that

Why do ignorant people love dog fights? I like boxing, but I like that someone can stop everything and say "that's enough" and the fight be stopped....dogs are just animals and DOMESTICATED animals at that, they have to be TAUGHT to fight each other because it's not a natural thing for them....they use their teeth for catching prey and defending themselves vs other predators



I think people who do this shit (Vick, Portis, and Samuels) need to have these dogs on their asses!
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they have to be TAUGHT to fight each other because it's not a natural thing for them.... Lyle


This little bit I can't agree with.

When I was a wee lad of 10 my parents owned two dogs name Chucky and Winston. Chucky was a Black Lab and Winston was a Golden Retriever. They were males bought at the same time from two reputable breeders.

Raised together they were buddies and often ran the farm with each other. Despite the camaraderie they were extremely jealous of each other when it came to getting love from the family. I can recall several occasion were they had to be ripped from each others clutches over a pat on the head. Usually the only way to get them apart was to spray them with the garden hose.

They were not taught to fight.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

they have to be TAUGHT to fight each other because it's not a natural thing for them.... Lyle


This little bit I can't agree with.

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Where in nature do dogs fight each other to the death? (unless of course they are different kinds of dogs ie African Wild Dogs vs Hyenas)

Dogs are pack animals they want peace within the pack....other packs may scuffle over territory but rarely ending in death.

also if it's not true then why do "fighting dogs" have to be "trained"???

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also if it's not true then why do "fighting dogs" have to be "trained"???

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Because Rocky Marciano sucks ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

......you know there once was another poster who tried to annoy me.....he didn't fair so well

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also if it's not true then why do "fighting dogs" have to be "trained"???

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Kinda like humans. It is in our nature to fight. We fight for different reasons and when the time comes to do so we know how. On some level every person can fight. Some are trained to fight with persicion and some fight instinctively and only when necessary.

One thing about dogs is that they will often respect the domain of another. They're a bad ass in their own yard and fight tooth nail to protect it. Take that same dog and place him in another yard and he will roll over in surrender to the same dog they had to whoop up on yesterday.

I imagine that is where the training comes in. And to make them fight past their limits... that we agree on.

I'm just saying that's in a dogs nature to fight. Reach down and take a chicken bone from one if you don't believe me lol

About the pack...

Packs are divided just like gangs in the city. Just because your both wearing red doesn't mean you're from the same set.

Dogs don't see other dogs and say, "Hey, brother! You have fur as well?!"

I'm not trying to sound condescending it's just how I explain things. I know you are a smart guy, Lyle.

understood but dogs don't go looking for fights and when they do fight they for the most part don't kill each other there BG.....and I think making dogs fight each other is just mean not to mention idiotic and juvenile. Dogs are all about being dominant and dominance is not achieved through killing

The dogs they own aren't pets, they serve no purpose other than to kill....what kind of life is that for anything MAN or BEAST.

I'm no vegan or wussy when it comes to how animals should be treated, I'm for hunting, hell I'm from the south it's what we do, hunt, fish, and drink....but there is a line between being respectful of nature and being .....well I can't think of something bad enough to call the people who fight dogs and yes it's a HUGE problem down here....I wouldn't feel bad shooting every last one of those motherfuckers that does that shit

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they have to be TAUGHT to fight each other because it's not a natural thing for them.... Lyle


This little bit I can't agree with.

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You need to get your head out of your a** first in order to believe it!!!!! It's people like you that let this sh*t carry on......These men are idiots, criminals and sadists......not to mention Dogfighting is usually a cover for many other illegal activities as well.....

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When I was a wee lad of 10 my parents owned two dogs name Chucky and Winston. Chucky was a Black Lab and Winston was a Golden Retriever. They were males bought at the same time from two reputable breeders.

Raised together they were buddies and often ran the farm with each other. Despite the camaraderie they were extremely jealous of each other when it came to getting love from the family. I can recall several occasion were they had to be ripped from each others clutches over a pat on the head. Usually the only way to get them apart was to spray them with the garden hose.

They were not taught to fight.

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Did you take them for training when they were pups...you know...to an actual dog training course?....

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Originally Posted by Lyle

also if it's not true then why do "fighting dogs" have to be "trained"???

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Kinda like humans. It is in our nature to fight. We fight for different reasons and when the time comes to do so we know how. On some level every person can fight. Some are trained to fight with persicion and some fight instinctively and only when necessary.

One thing about dogs is that they will often respect the domain of another. They're a bad a** in their own yard and fight tooth nail to protect it. Take that same dog and place him in another yard and he will roll over in surrender to the same dog they had to whoop up on yesterday.

I imagine that is where the training comes in. And to make them fight past their limits... that we agree on.

I'm just saying that's in a dogs nature to fight. Reach down and take a chicken bone from one if you don't believe me lol

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It's not in our nature to fight....It's idiots that need to feel vindicated that make this world bad...my mom didn't love me enough...my penis is small....I was never hugged as a child....left alone...or any other excuse a neanderthal gives to explain unexcusable behavior.....my god has a bigger dick than your god......take your pick of excuse to do unnatural actions.....

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understood but dogs don't go looking for fights and when they do fight they for the most part don't kill each other there BG.....and I think making dogs fight each other is just mean not to mention idiotic and juvenile. Dogs are all about being dominant and dominance is not achieved through killing

The dogs they own aren't pets, they serve no purpose other than to kill....what kind of life is that for anything MAN or BEAST.

I'm no vegan or wussy when it comes to how animals should be treated, I'm for hunting, hell I'm from the south it's what we do, hunt, fish, and drink....but there is a line between being respectful of nature and being .....well I can't think of something bad enough to call the people who fight dogs and yes it's a HUGE problem down here....I wouldn't feel bad shooting every last one of those motherfuckers that does that S***

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CC #1127 Bro!!!!! I could not agree with you more!!!!! It's people like this that share the same disregard for life...terrorist, murderers, sociopaths...all equally worthless.....

Ragu, I think you mistook my words for those of a dogfighter. I'm not into animal cruelty. I love dogs just like the next guy. All I'm saying is that dogs fight on a regualr basis and they don't have to be coerced into doing it. It just depends on the persoanlity of the dog.

Lyle and I agree for the most part and so do you and I... and you and Lyle.

I don't mind that you gave me a verbal ass whipping. If I was what you thought I was I'd of deserved it. Please reconsider and don't think of me as an animal abuser. Well.. dog abuser. I kill insects on a regular basis. They creep me out.

I still think this thing got blown outta proportion. Yeah its illegal and immoral and blah blah blah but theres worse people doing worse things in the world and getting away with it. vick has herpes so let it go.

Portis doesn't fight dogs. He said he grew up around it but Portis doesn't even own a dog. When I lived in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, a lot of my friends had dogs in dogs fight. When I moved to California, a lot of my friends had dogs that fought. Some places it is just a reality, I never really knew the wrongs of it until I kind of took a step back and realized what it was.

And Vick isn't a bad guy. He really isn't, he's a genuine guy.

My dog grew up in Kentucky where she roamed free, she and a gang of others dogs would always hang out. I never saw her get in fights there, but when I moved to California, obviously we couldn't just just let her roam free and trust her to come home every night, so we had to walk her on a leash like the rest of the world does. Well the first day, a German Shepard from across the street bolts out from the house and my Dog and it get into a fight. Neither dog had been trained to fight. But my dog kicked it's ass ;D

I can't take my dog to a dog park because it will fight. Same with my grandpa's dog. To say dog's don't fight, well it's not right. They do fight. But dog fighting is still wrong because they force it.

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I still think this thing got blown outta proportion. Yeah its illegal and immoral and blah blah blah but theres worse people doing worse things in the world and getting away with it. vick has herpes so let it go.

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The thing about letting it go is that Vick and these guys are making millions of dollars playing professional football. They represent the league, the team and the city that they play for. It's a privilege not a right.

I think portis and samuels did make themselve look like idiots, i don't agree on dog fighting either. my family use to have lots of dogs 3 adult pitbulls 1 hybrid dog and many puppies. my dog sultan was a mix pitbull with american staffordshire bull terrior, he has always been the dominant dog in our pack and he would mate with the other red nose pit bull and our hybrid dog. When our other 100% pitbull BOBO came, sultan was pissed as fwock every day he would smell bobo in the front yard and trys and trys to get at him while his way in the back and doesn't even see bobo. my dog sultan has a history of fighting i never like the fact he fought and it scared me because i cared for him a lot. but it was in his nature to fight other male dogs for territory and for his females. my dog wasn't that big for a pitbull because his mix with A.S.S.B but he was a bad ass when it came to other adult males, to humans his a great dog though protective of me and friendly to my family.

lyle i got to disagree dogs don't need training to fight, i never taught my dog to fight but his one hell of a fighter. It all depends of what kind of dog is it, pitbulls are bred to fight so is A.S.S.B and some other domesticated dogs out there. but overall i think dog fighting is cruel i can't stand to see them all bleeding while this pricks enjoy them battle eachother. I think because of them pit bulls have bad reputations. i have met the nices pitbulls ever it all depends on the owner of the dog not the type of dog.

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also if it's not true then why do "fighting dogs" have to be "trained"???

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Kinda like humans. It is in our nature to fight. We fight for different reasons and when the time comes to do so we know how. On some level every person can fight. Some are trained to fight with persicion and some fight instinctively and only when necessary.

One thing about dogs is that they will often respect the domain of another. They're a bad a** in their own yard and fight tooth nail to protect it. Take that same dog and place him in another yard and he will roll over in surrender to the same dog they had to whoop up on yesterday.

I imagine that is where the training comes in. And to make them fight past their limits... that we agree on.

I'm just saying that's in a dogs nature to fight. Reach down and take a chicken bone from one if you don't believe me lol

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It's not in our nature to fight....It's idiots that need to feel vindicated that make this world bad...my mom didn't love me enough...my penis is small....I was never hugged as a child....left alone...or any other excuse a neanderthal gives to explain unexcusable behavior.....my god has a bigger dick than your god......take your pick of excuse to do unnatural actions.....

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I think Boxing Gorilla is 100% right on the money . Human nature is all about violence. someone fought and died for the land you live on.. make no mistake. Humans been killing from beginning of time it’s our nature .

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I still think this thing got blown outta proportion. Yeah its illegal and immoral and blah blah blah but theres worse people doing worse things in the world and getting away with it. vick has herpes so let it go.

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The thing about letting it go is that Vick and these guys are making millions of dollars playing professional football. They represent the league, the team and the city that they play for. It's a privilege not a right.

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Yeah but their careers can also end in one second. If vick gets blindsided one time in the right spot hes down for the count and can't do anything for the rest of his life. Besides pro athletes have to stay in shape to keep making that money. A lot of peole that critisize pro athletes for the money they make (i'm not taking a shot at anyone here im just making a general statement) are out of shape underacheiving slobs that are content with their low place on the totem pole of success. Yeah people work hard in non pro careers but athletes have to go through intense training year round and hope they stay healthy long enough to collect a check.

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When I was a wee lad of 10 my parents owned two dogs name Chucky and Winston. Chucky was a Black Lab and Winston was a Golden Retriever. They were males bought at the same time from two reputable breeders.

Raised together they were buddies and often ran the farm with each other. Despite the camaraderie they were extremely jealous of each other when it came to getting love from the family. I can recall several occasion were they had to be ripped from each others clutches over a pat on the head. Usually the only way to get them apart was to spray them with the garden hose.

They were not taught to fight.

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I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.. one of the most friendly dogs you ever seen.. good with kids, loves people. However if he sees a male dog of the same breed. my dog is off the hook.. his short hair stands str8 up teeth out and he want to kill.. he has never been trained to fight.. its 100% instinct. your 100% correct. different breeds of dogs are more inclined to fight, just like people. We are all wired different.

Just like when someone is eyeballing you pre fight or even at the mall or when your walking .. For some reason that gets my piss hot , I have the uncontrollable urge to take their head off , just sets me off persistent eye contact.

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I still think this thing got blown outta proportion. Yeah its illegal and immoral and blah blah blah but theres worse people doing worse things in the world and getting away with it. vick has herpes so let it go.

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The thing about letting it go is that Vick and these guys are making millions of dollars playing professional football. They represent the league, the team and the city that they play for. It's a privilege not a right.

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Yeah but their careers can also end in one second. If vick gets blindsided one time in the right spot hes down for the count and can't do anything for the rest of his life. Besides pro athletes have to stay in shape to keep making that money. A lot of peole that critisize pro athletes for the money they make (i'm not taking a shot at anyone here im just making a general statement) are out of shape underacheiving slobs that are content with their low place on the totem pole of success. Yeah people work hard in non pro careers but athletes have to go through intense training year round and hope they stay healthy long enough to collect a check.

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I wanna clarify this alittle bit. I'm not saying all celebrities have tough lives because having millions of dollars and complaining about it is absolute shit. I'm saying that pro athletes have to work much harder for those millions than most people. Fake celebrities like paris hilton that didn't do shit to be famous and rode the tide of their last name deserve all the bad publicity and treatment they receive from the media. "Too distraught to show up in court" bitch you're going to a fucking county jail not a state pen quit being such a pussy. jail is a walk in the park compared to prison.

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When I was a wee lad of 10 my parents owned two dogs name Chucky and Winston. Chucky was a Black Lab and Winston was a Golden Retriever. They were males bought at the same time from two reputable breeders.

Raised together they were buddies and often ran the farm with each other. Despite the camaraderie they were extremely jealous of each other when it came to getting love from the family. I can recall several occasion were they had to be ripped from each others clutches over a pat on the head. Usually the only way to get them apart was to spray them with the garden hose.

They were not taught to fight.

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I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.. one of the most friendly dogs you ever seen.. good with kids, loves people. However if he sees a male dog of the same breed. my dog is off the hook.. his short hair stands str8 up teeth out and he want to kill.. he has never been trained to fight.. its 100% instinct. your 100% correct. different breeds of dogs are more inclined to fight, just like people. We are all wired different.

Just like when someone is eyeballing you pre fight or even at the mall or when your walking .. For some reason that gets my piss hot , I have the uncontrollable urge to take their head off , just sets me off persistent eye contact.

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Bro did you read my post here earlier i have a staffordshire bull terrior, exactly what i was talking about man, i don't like dog fightings but when it comes to it staffordshire bull terrior are the truth and pitbulls get all the blame for dog fighting, most of people out there don't even know the difference between pit bulls and staffordshire bull terrior, most of the time they just say its a pitbull i guess because its easier to say or they are just clueless of the breed. but yea sad how pitbulls get such a bad rep. they too are great companions they are just dogs not savages beast. I love fighting breeds they are tough but gentle at the same time ;D

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/WAS/10192720

'Skins apologize for Portis and Samuels

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I still think this thing got blown outta proportion. Yeah its illegal and immoral and blah blah blah but theres worse people doing worse things in the world and getting away with it. vick has herpes so let it go.

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The thing about letting it go is that Vick and these guys are making millions of dollars playing professional football. They represent the league, the team and the city that they play for. It's a privilege not a right.

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That and Michael Vick gets off the hook EVERYTIME!

You have to figure that he has been able to breeze through life from high school on, doing basically whatever he wanted to do. You see where it got his brother Marcus!

Portis may not own dogs but this "mind your own business" bullshit is insulting. It's like saying "hey I'm in a privileged class and you should not be able to have a say about what I do...I can fight dogs, I can beat women, I can do anything I want".....your fans pay your fucking bills brother don't forget it.

I guess it's bastards like these guys that make true sports heros as great as they are. Ted Williams is one of my all-time favorites....went to war TWICE during the prime of his career

Did you take them for training when they were pups...you know...to an actual dog training course?.... Ragu

I was 10 years old as I said before, so I am uncertain what kind of official training they had. Kinderpup, maybe? Doubt it.

My current dog (Mister) is trained. I lay down the law quite well.

"Look boy, you can go outside with your poppa but the first time I see you make a run for the border..." :zzwhip: ..."it's back in the house for you."

"And Mister... don't spend no wooden nickles around this house, boy."

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When I was a wee lad of 10 my parents owned two dogs name Chucky and Winston. Chucky was a Black Lab and Winston was a Golden Retriever. They were males bought at the same time from two reputable breeders.

Raised together they were buddies and often ran the farm with each other. Despite the camaraderie they were extremely jealous of each other when it came to getting love from the family. I can recall several occasion were they had to be ripped from each others clutches over a pat on the head. Usually the only way to get them apart was to spray them with the garden hose.

They were not taught to fight.

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I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.. one of the most friendly dogs you ever seen.. good with kids, loves people. However if he sees a male dog of the same breed. my dog is off the hook.. his short hair stands str8 up teeth out and he want to kill.. he has never been trained to fight.. its 100% instinct. your 100% correct. different breeds of dogs are more inclined to fight, just like people. We are all wired different.

Just like when someone is eyeballing you pre fight or even at the mall or when your walking .. For some reason that gets my piss hot , I have the uncontrollable urge to take their head off , just sets me off persistent eye contact.

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Bro did you read my post here earlier i have a staffordshire bull terrior, exactly what i was talking about man, i don't like dog fightings but when it comes to it staffordshire bull terrior are the truth and pitbulls get all the blame for dog fighting, most of people out there don't even know the difference between pit bulls and staffordshire bull terrior, most of the time they just say its a pitbull i guess because its easier to say or they are just clueless of the breed. but yea sad how pitbulls get such a bad rep. they too are great companions they are just dogs not savages beast. I love fighting breeds they are tough but gentle at the same time ;D

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cc mate, sorry I missed your post earlier. lovely dogs the Staffy. mine loves to jog with me. all the ladies love him.

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When I was a wee lad of 10 my parents owned two dogs name Chucky and Winston. Chucky was a Black Lab and Winston was a Golden Retriever. They were males bought at the same time from two reputable breeders.

Raised together they were buddies and often ran the farm with each other. Despite the camaraderie they were extremely jealous of each other when it came to getting love from the family. I can recall several occasion were they had to be ripped from each others clutches over a pat on the head. Usually the only way to get them apart was to spray them with the garden hose.

They were not taught to fight.

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I have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.. one of the most friendly dogs you ever seen.. good with kids, loves people. However if he sees a male dog of the same breed. my dog is off the hook.. his short hair stands str8 up teeth out and he want to kill.. he has never been trained to fight.. its 100% instinct. your 100% correct. different breeds of dogs are more inclined to fight, just like people. We are all wired different.

Just like when someone is eyeballing you pre fight or even at the mall or when your walking .. For some reason that gets my piss hot , I have the uncontrollable urge to take their head off , just sets me off persistent eye contact.

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Bro did you read my post here earlier i have a staffordshire bull terrior, exactly what i was talking about man, i don't like dog fightings but when it comes to it staffordshire bull terrior are the truth and pitbulls get all the blame for dog fighting, most of people out there don't even know the difference between pit bulls and staffordshire bull terrior, most of the time they just say its a pitbull i guess because its easier to say or they are just clueless of the breed. but yea sad how pitbulls get such a bad rep. they too are great companions they are just dogs not savages beast. I love fighting breeds they are tough but gentle at the same time ;D

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cc mate, sorry I missed your post earlier. lovely dogs the Staffy. mine loves to jog with me. all the ladies love him.

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yea exactly bRo mine love to jog with me too, I'm going to try this business of pure breeding staffy. puppies sell for a whole lot of $$$$ and i love them so i figure it would be a fun business ;D take care of your staffy its a great breed.

and ooh yea :coolclick: +813 Lords Gym

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/ATL/10193785

Vick's dogs likely to be put down

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http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/ATL/10193785

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thats sad....

hold on a second am i reading this right? are most of you saying dogs have to be trained to be mean? I'm pretty sure its the other way around, that they need to be trained to be domesticated. Only dogs born in captivity make an easy transition to dealing with humans but taking a mutt from the wild wont go so well.

....domesticated dogs have it in their genes to be MORE submissive than wild dogs.....they were all bred that way (with the exception of a certain few, who are bred to be more mean)




Michael Vick should be put down "They always gonna love Mike Vick"....ummm nah I don't think so buddy and suckin on your teeth after a reporter asks you if you'll be exhonerated just shows that you're all class

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/ATL/10202167

Latest word on the Vick situation

This is gonna get ugly and i think that informant is in trouble. They said that he beat vicks dog back in 2000. He better hope nobody remembers who he is.

....I heard they found 30 dog bodies at that home in Virginia.

If it's true what they say about Vick being a "heavyweight dog fighter/better" I hope they put him UNDER the fucking jail!

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......you know there once was another poster who tried to annoy me.....he didn't fair so well

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I fair extremely well there, Clampet ;)

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......you know there once was another poster who tried to annoy me.....he didn't fair so well

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I fair extremely well there, Clampet ;)

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....no he was worse than you, though I'm not aiming to give you a new goal or anything....you're bareable, keep up the good work

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......you know there once was another poster who tried to annoy me.....he didn't fair so well

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I fair extremely well there, Clampet ;)

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....no he was worse than you, though I'm not aiming to give you a new goal or anything....you're bareable, keep up the good work

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Listen Bradshaw I consistently rank you amoung my favorite posters >:mad even though I find your love for Marciano and Klit borderline homo erotic not to mention your grandstanding that MMA are a bunch of faigs rolling on the ground(Somehow I think you secretly want on) seeing it seems like your convinceing yourself and not us... HAhahahaha!!!!!

You know I consider you one of the good ones and formidable opposition ;)