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Coming in here and in their first post they saying boxing is in trouble (which it might be) but the reasons they provide for their point are fucking ponderous. I'm surprized no one has blamed the decline on global warming (which i caused because im an american. I cause everything wrong in the world and i embrace that ;D )
Huge amount of new members have joined recently,some are pretty cool imo but some bona fide wind up merchants too.
T'choc, I Can't stand those wind up merchants, me.
Something should be done about them.
;D
By the way, I can speak freely on this board ....... I am actually the real Chris Eubank.
The useless ones will disappear one by one with time.
In the mean while take Missy out for a spin. This ones on the house. 8)
WTF is up with those people too. You got nothing better to do that act like a washed up broke mike tyson. Or run your mouth that you're the greatest power puncher in the world when your stupid a** aint even pro yet.  >:madQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Whoa Punisher - I was joking for Chrissakes! :(
I have been posting here for ages -I would have thought it obvious I am not Chris Eubank (!)
I though irony was allowed on this board. ::**
No holds barred in here you kunts ;D
All ya mums! >:mad
May i appologiese and immediately retract that statement :-\
i know you were joking i was mearly sticking to the title of the thread and questioning those people too  >:mad And since when do you get offended by something ???Quote:
Originally Posted by X
were getting through them as cutme says one by one ;)
Fair comment - I just wanted to make sure I had not pissed you off by mistake. Friendly caring chap that I am. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
You cant take it back now! >:madQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
The problem is, we dont have Violent Demise working border patrol anymore... He would run those fuckfaces out of town quick, occasionally he would chase a few good ones away, but Fuckit, nothing wrong with a little population control, I mean shat happens.....  ;D So when we get a new Fukwit wind up artist we kiss his azz and give 10 :coolclick:'S and have a hug me, suck me, we are all a bunch of happy fukers Saddo welcome, just to find out the new member is useless as tits on a Bull  >:mad            ;D
well im a big fan of X the cunt ;D
Cheers Scrap !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
:coolclick:
More so today it seems these fuksticks are coming out the woodwork with there opinions :-\
Well after you get through them, i hear steelie gets in them :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Alright listen this is venting time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to say this but now I have really, really noticed what a bunch of biased, nuthugging, stupid motherfukers taking over the forum as of late..... I'm telling you the new neighbors are really driving property values down around here...
I hate to be negative and I have my favorites, but its getting just down right unbearable... I know that its my choice to be here and no one forces me and if I dont like it then I should stay away... But as of anything else I guess I feel since I was here longer than I feel like they are communist intruders ;D
But seriously I fukin loathe a few of these dikheads, like I want to bash there gotdam faces in with a cole shovel :bat: :-X
The rapid influx of Pavlik and Pac huggers are like knats that are buzzing around your picnic....UTTER FUKIN NUSIENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :puke: :pis2: :furious2:
I'm sure I'll get over it soon and enjoy but in the meantime, it just seems like an mass infestation rather than a friendly neighboorhood move in :-\
Some are ok some are annoying its good to have some new fresh people remember we all have to start off somewhere but some of the others are a right pain :(
So this is what yall talk about on the secret squirrel vip board :o
The mma forum has been pretty barren until the influx of boxing vs mma threads that even though I promised myself I'd stay out of, I find myself knee deep in. But most of the influx aren't new posters but mma haters from way back...
I know what your saying JT, some of those fans take shit! to the heart I mean they take shit! sooo personal like if your coming at them personally or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
What a bunch of panzies....
I think the worst ones are the ODLH fan-boys. >:mad
:-\
I'm on a 8 week program and still working out my issues.
Has anyone noticed any improvements or Am I better off asking for my money back? :(
I'm starting to believe that Pac could beat any fighter in the game, ever. ;D
If this is the only thread you've opened in this desolate post wasteland i commend you trust me you've just seen the penguin on the tip of the iceberg about to be smashed by a giant yeti (i will get that trophy someday). >:madQuote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Haha, that's what I said. I made 1 boxing vs MMA post and thought it was a good post, it went unnoticed and I kept going back for more ::** The sooner those pass the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Originally seeing what style would work best in a real fighting situation was a great idea. Just like nadal vs. federer half grass half clay. It happened and it settled the argument. The gracie clowns beat a couple jobber boxers (you can't tell me a legit heavyweight was in that competition) and people who have trained in martial arts that are not realistically useable in real life scenario street fights. The original no holds barred stuff style vs style was a great idea but that should've been the end of it. Now you have a "sport" where people can wrestle but they can get hit with punches. People can box but they can also be tackled and kicked. I think each style should be seperated and competitions should stay restricted to their own styles. It just doesn't add up to me. But if you wanna be helpful, I'd like a copy that shows who was in the original battle royal thing that had a bunch of people from all over the world.
Man you are one disrespectful little gobshite....Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Again go's to show you know jackshit about something your trying to comment on, tell me what you know about the Gracie family??? C'mon smartass what do you know?? It better be good cause I will haunt you like a plague of locust and make you squirm, for making such a dumb statement like that...
So intelligently enlighten us about the history of the Gracie family and Gracie Ju Jitsu, the orgins, the premise, application etc... I trust you have researched it pretty intensely and thats the conclusion you have come up with.. So for a guy that prides himself on being so educated, I am anxiously awaiting your thorough response  ;)
First of all if kurt kobains ghost hasn't killed me yet, i can be cursed by no man. Secondly all i'm saying is they hyped these guys up like they were the shit but they never beat a legit heavyweight boxer. Most boxers would beat all the other martial arts styles in a fight (with the exception of kickboxing and muai thai). Why didn't they have tyson, lewis, holyfield, or even Vitali who was a very good regarded kickboxer by that time in the "ultimate tournament to end all tournaments"? They developed a style that won that tournament good for them that should've been the end to it thats all im saying.
Alright, I will apologize for the insults... But please I would appreciate your input on The research you have done on the Gracie family and there legacy and there origins  ;) Like I said if you think they are "Clowns" than after careful research you have arrived at that opinion of them being "Clowns" so I am looking forward to your fact finding and inquizitive responseQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Was probably more or less a bad word choice (They represent in essense the whole mma thing redirected anger is all that is). But i can't see jui jitsu or Brazillian jui jitsu working in a real street fight (in a fight where someone quits in a controled setting where a ref breaks it up than sure) because i know you've seen one of those fights just like i have where one guys says "Ok i'm done" and as soon as the other guy lets him up, he jumps his ass and keeps going lol. It probably works in countries where theres a sense of honor in fighting but i don't think it'd work in america. Also i'm not a fan of mixing everything its like watching a collegiate wrestling match where you don't have to wrestle you can just punch them or you can take them to the ground in a boxing match. Just doesn't sit well with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Not to be a dick but I thought that would be your response..... So I will tell you since I have trained in some aspects of Gracie Ju Jitsu... My instructor worked very close with the Gracie Family back in the 90's and was the 1st to bring them to the east coastQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
http://www.psdtc.com/Ron_Kosakowski_Bio.htm
Let me tell you the premise of Grappling and Submissions.... most Street fights and scuffles end on the ground, a submission is a form of pain compliance which if continuosly applied, results in muscle, tendon and ligament destructions and bone breaks which severly incapacitates an attacker thats why they Tap out for sport purposes.... Thats why it is EXTREMELY effective for street fighting and self defense....  
Don't bother with him JT ;)
Grappling has been around for centuries and various cultures have their own styles in one form or another or have learned other cultures and is indigenous to their region and often utilized during hand to hand combat in wartime.. Some are more visicuous than others, the Filipino arts are some of the most brutal in the history of mankind......
Thats one of the biggest misconceptions about Mainstream MMA is that its only been around for 15 years or so which is true, but Martial Arts have been around for 100's of years and was meant for a form of survival, before there were guns and missles etc.. wars were fought hand to hand, even with bladed weapons Grappling is highly effective..... Grappling is considered a Martial Art and Boxing is too albeit they are both incomplete systems and are not profeciant in all ranges of combat
Yeah but if you break someones arm thats a massive lawsuit and aside from breaking their arm just putting them in enough pain to say that they quit won't nessesarily mean that that ends the fight. I don't think people should be trying to break arms in street fights unless you're doing a mob hit on someone that owes you money but i'm also not stupid enough to believe that just because i frown upon it doesn't mean somebody's not gonna do it to me.
Most fights do go to the ground so a wrestling background would help out but being able to end it before it goes to the ground would be better. I'm aware that there is no perfect fighting style to get the edge on every opponent you'd go up against but i'm saying from a practical sense submissions are either overkills or not enough. If you break the dudes arm and fuck up of his muscles of course hes gonna quit attacking you but i think thats a bit extreme for retaliation against an unarmed dude and so will the courts if he presses charges. If you don't break his arm he'll just say he quits and then probably keep on fighting when you let him go. You know there's no "stun" level to them. It's either kill (not literally kill but extreme damage) or minor zap. Now self defense if the dude popped out a gun or knife they'd be a lot more reasonable but one on one i just don't see them being practical. I'm not saying they don't hurt, i'm just saying they either work too well or not good enough there's not that inbetween thing to where you'd make them quit but they wouldn't be hurt enough to press massive charges.
You can rebut all you want bro, those werent my opinions they are bona fied facts ;) From careful and applied research I'v done of styles from Various "Clowns" throught history ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I have been in situations were I had to tear wrists etc... so in a fight with a relentless attacker tha name of the game is survival, if I have to break than I break... I have a family to go home too ;)
Fair enough but i still say mixing them all together is a train wreck. It's much better to keep them sperated to their respective arts then you could clearly determine which fighter is better than another. If your lifes on the line you gotta do what you gotta do im just saying destroying someones joints are a bit impractical for a minor scuffle thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think all of my posts have been misunderstood. All those martial arts take skill to learn and excel at. What i've been trying to say (and apparently not saying it clearly) is in this thing that has come to be known as mma the skill level needed to excel is much lower than that of someone competing in a single disciplined martial art. It may have come off as me saying that "Boxing is the most skilled art form and anything less is crap" (if you look hard enough you'll probably find a post where i worded it similar to that :( ) But what im trying to say is in a scenario where basically anything goes (except for a few rules) being able to take someone out before they take you to the ground would be your best option and landing a lucky punch would be a lot easier in that environment than others. I'm not bashing martial arts, I'm bashing "ultimate fighting". I'm sure a few of my posts made around 3 am EST could be interpretated otherwise but this is what i'm trying to say in a nutshell.
You would not need as much training or skill to win an mma match then what you'd need to win a single disciplined martial arts comp. Wether it be boxing, karate, wrestling, ju jitsu etc. Because in a single disciplined art, you HAVE to know your stuff well. In an mma bout you can be completely unskilled in one aspect and still win. You don't have something to fall back on that you might have over your opponent in a single discipline competition, you've both trained in the same thing and it determines who learned it better and whose better at it. There is a clear winner and skill can be easily judged.
SImilar matter involving street fights and all that, Did you know if you punch somebody while they have a phone book against them it doesn't leave a mark but still hurts really bad?
Punisher, MMA as we know it today is still early in its inception. The overall athleticism and skill level of its fighters has risen astronomicaly since the first UFC. All fighters work on BJJ now, and all fighters work on takedowns and takedown defense. This is b/c of the dominance that sub artists and GNPers have had in the past. Over the past couple of years we have seen a shift to great strikers that can keep fights standing. I'd expect to see the punching and kicking of MMA fighters improving as well. I still maintain that even with a fighter that has a good boxing background his mma style will still be one with strong differences from boxing and probably still not that appealing to boxing fans. The basic premise of hit and not be hit are still there but w/some important augmentations. I personally enjoy the idea of a total combatant as a sport and have enjoyed watching the sports metamorphisis, but to each his own. When the question of what technique is the best for real world situations, I tell people that Muay Thai mixed with Judo would probably be the best. It offers a striking style with lots of variety and Judo is going to give you the skill set to control your opponent in the clinch. I'm I going to try a knee lock in a bar fight? Probably not, but my training in submission wrestling would help me with controlling my opponent in the close quarters of a real fight. I've never used a joint manipulation in a real fight but I have choked a couple of guys unconscious.
Choking people out is alittle different than submissions (thats the "stun" level i was thinking about) thats probably the best alternative for someone trained in those aspects. I'd say some good boxing and just being in a situation before where you've had to fight while on the ground would help dispatch your average drunken dude who's just talking shit (and really thats what the majority of people's street opponents are gonna be). I'm sure its a whole different story when that drunk dude is an all state wrestler and has dabbled in some other stuff tho. First time i got taken to the ground in the street it wasn't a total disaster because i remained calm and knew how i was gonna flip him over (huge strength advantage didn't hurt there) but I'm sure if i run into someone who's trained in that stuff its not gonna help me much but it'd be better than not going thru it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Most bars I go to or outings are pretty tight quarters, and creating distance is a problem to get full leverage on a punch to deter someone, that were Elbows, Knees, headbutts and eye jabs come in.. or the wrist lock...Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I am 195 lbs and can escape the mount from someone who is heavier than me or I can also maintain side control or the mount on bigger guys than me.... We get alot of Rough and tumble badasses roided up muscle heads, cops, military personal all types that try to impose there size and strength, but learn very quickly that proper technique always champions strength....