What weight handicap would a woman boxer need to beat a man?

What weight's do you guys think would be a fair handicap contest between men and woman boxers.

In theory I think that in our modern age of no discrimination men and women should be able to fight with each other, but obviously women being naturally weaker then men would need a weight advantage, question is how much?

I reckon a top female boxer weighing around 154 should be a fair fight for a man say under 120 lbs.

And I reckon a weight of about 168 lbs for a woman would be a fair handicap for a man say upto 130 lbs.

So my question is this, could a top women fighter, say super middleweight or above beat a top 130 lb say Isreal Vasquez or even R Marquez?

All opinions welcome :)

Laila Ali is womens supermiddle weight i'd pick her over Calzaghe ;D she would be to much of a step up in class for him his back would go ;D

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Laila Ali is womens supermiddle weight i'd pick her over Calzaghe ;D she would be to much of a step up in class for him his back would go ;D

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One thing I'm sure of, Taylor wouldn't be able to knock her out! ;D

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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO

Laila Ali is womens supermiddle weight i'd pick her over Calzaghe ;D she would be to much of a step up in class for him his back would go ;D

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One thing I'm sure of, Taylor wouldn't be able to knock her out! ;D

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA CC#796 fella

cc back!

Depends on the fighter
Ann Wolfe is satan with braids,I dont care what sex you are
Hell,I wouldnt fight her
That end of the sport is so raw right now,there are very few legit BOXERS in it
Its not a matter of raw talent,or needing a handicap,its more a matter of a legitimate amateur scene.
By the time most men turn pro,theyve done Gold Gloves,Junior Olympics,the Olympics,etc,etc
Most women are 30 before they even step in to a ring for the first time
A few short years from now,now that amateurs is starting to take off for women,watch the whole scene change
No more talk about handicaps to be sure

Well wasn't Ann Wolfe going to fight that tomato can at her own weight she would of probably cleaned his clock a great female boxer could prolly beat the worst male tomato can at her own weight.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Well wasn't Ann Wolfe going to fight that tomato can at her own weight she would of probably cleaned his clock a great female boxer could prolly beat the worst male tomato can at her own weight.

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Shes had,not one,but 2 male boxers back out on her now
And Ali wants nothing to do with her
Last few interviews with her Ive seen,shes starting to sound incredibly frustrated
The other name in her division doesnt want to fight her at gun point,so fine,she sets up these side show fights,that at least keeps the punters interested,then the guys decide they dont want to fight her either

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

What weight's do you guys think would be a fair handicap contest between men and woman boxers.

In theory I think that in our modern age of no discrimination men and women should be able to fight with each other, but obviously women being naturally weaker then men would need a weight advantage, question is how much?

I reckon a top female boxer weighing around 154 should be a fair fight for a man say under 120 lbs.

And I reckon a weight of about 168 lbs for a woman would be a fair handicap for a man say upto 130 lbs.

So my question is this, could a top women fighter, say super middleweight or above beat a top 130 lb say Isreal Vasquez or even R Marquez?

All opinions welcome :)

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I think only 2 LBS .................................................. ................. OF SEMTEX :)

4 stone :)

For those that remember Billie Jean King beating Bobby Riggs, I don't see why a better women boxer couldn't beat a worse man?

I hate to be a prick, but there were a few women at the gym I used to train at, and after having seen them punch, I really couldn't see any woman alive beating Pac, or even a Marquez brother.

Ann Wolf is a different story. But I wouldn't rally call her a woman so much as "Satan with braids" as someone else posted earlier.

I reckon the landlady at my local pub could smash the shit out of Klitschko.

Mind you, he'd be giving away about 5 stone and 2 inches in height to the big fat hairy bigfoot bitch.

CC#374 X :lolololol:

I'm fighting the urge to be sexist...big time.

Damn, Soccer AM has warped my mind. ;D

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Originally Posted by Brockton Bomber

I hate to be a prick, but there were a few women at the gym I used to train at, and after having seen them punch, I really couldn't see any woman alive beating Pac, or even a Marquez brother.

Ann Wolf is a different story. But I wouldn't rally call her a woman so much as "Satan with braids" as someone else posted earlier.

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Training a woman boxer in Ann's weight class,I stand by my assesment
And my fighter actually HAS 1 punch knockout power

Ok so what about this.....





http://www.prizefightpromoters.com/i...s/annwolfe.jpg








vs this





http://i.oem.com.mx/6f8b14d5-cfac-47...770fc2cfee.jpg




I personally believe this Jorge Arce conquerer and part time movie star would be beaten to death inside 3 rounds if these two fought.


And more to the point I'd LOVE to see it! I can't think of anything better than watching these little tiny men getting their asses whooped by chicks, whilst the likes of El Gamo continue to to try and justify that they are true p4p stars!

I'm just mean really :P

Bilbo,that really is a very cruel thought
I mean jesus,that'd be murder
Or at least,very,very,brief

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Bilbo,that really is a very cruel thought
I mean jesus,that'd be murder
Or at least,very,very,brief

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But it would be funny though, plus it's equal opportunites and all, only fair they get the chance.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Bilbo,that really is a very cruel thought
I mean jesus,that'd be murder
Or at least,very,very,brief

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But it would be funny though, plus it's equal opportunites and all, only fair they get the chance.

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Two words on what it would be like
Tyson/Spinks

imo, a massive one. Ann Wolfe might be a freak of nature type female boxer, I really wouldn't know as I don't really care to see women fight... But that's just me. I also think there's a steep curve where it becomes more plausible that a woman could win with less of a weight edge.. If that makes any sense.. I.e, sure, there are probably some outstanding female boxers who could beat a top male bantamweight while weighing less than say 30 lbs more... But as soon as the male fighter is big enough, I don't give a rats ass how much heavier the woman is, she's not winning in a ring with gloves.. In other words, it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference if a woman outweighed Bernard Hopkins by 25 or 300 pounds, she would get her ass beat down, brutally. If for no other reason than Hopkins has enough natural muscle mass to KO a person of almost any size with one punch. Ivan Calderon couldn't hurt me with his best shot if I was asleep standing up, you know?.. As soon as your talking below featherweight though then sure, but once the man is big enough to break an egg, it's going to take some sort of freak of nature female with a massive size advantage to even make it a fight.

I've posted this some weeks ago...its not directly the topic of this thread,but something
like two or three month ago german late night show entertainer Stefan Raab challenged
female german boxlegend Regina Halmich for an exhibition fight for the second time..the last time
ended with a broken nose for the entertainer ;D ...
Raab never boxed in his life(besides their first fight) and is an average healthy 40 years old man...
He outweighs Halmich by something like 70 pounds...the fight was scheduled for 6 rnds and it
may look like an entertaining joke,but Raab took it quite seriously...even though he has no skill
at all, he trained for six weeks and among other things trained a little bit with Felix Sturm...
But will it be enough to stand against a professional female boxer ...

Here are the first three rnds:


[stream=380,320]mms://wms.e-tv.de/tvtotal/2007/03/30/1024-01-07-wm_midband.wmv[/stream]

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

What weight's do you guys think would be a fair handicap contest between men and woman boxers.

In theory I think that in our modern age of no discrimination men and women should be able to fight with each other, but obviously women being naturally weaker then men would need a weight advantage, question is how much?

I reckon a top female boxer weighing around 154 should be a fair fight for a man say under 120 lbs.

And I reckon a weight of about 168 lbs for a woman would be a fair handicap for a man say upto 130 lbs.

So my question is this, could a top women fighter, say super middleweight or above beat a top 130 lb say Isreal Vasquez or even R Marquez?

All opinions welcome :)

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HONESTLEY...


i think its pointless to do woman vs amn at any weight differential...



but back when i used to smoke WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much weed i was real hyped for ann vs man before they cancelled that shit

I agree with your assessment regarding the two pictures, Bilbo. The woman would clobber him into a coma, afterall, he is no bigger than her 10 year old son.

I have no idea if she has a son or not, I'm simply adding to your point.

Good thread. Almost as good as your child assassins thread from last year.

NO WOMAN, i dont care if sheis like 200 pounds raw muscle, NO woman could beat my man pornsawon kratingdaenmgymn minimum weight mast being ducked by cordoba

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Depends on the fighter
Ann Wolfe is satan with braids,I dont care what sex you are
Hell,I wouldnt fight her
That end of the sport is so raw right now,there are very few legit BOXERS in it
Its not a matter of raw talent,or needing a handicap,its more a matter of a legitimate amateur scene.
By the time most men turn pro,theyve done Gold Gloves,Junior Olympics,the Olympics,etc,etc
Most women are 30 before they even step in to a ring for the first time
A few short years from now,now that amateurs is starting to take off for women,watch the whole scene change
No more talk about handicaps to be sure

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cc , Re Ann Wolfe . you got that right, seen her a few years back in Austin ,Texas. she was working 160 lb (men) sparring partners over something fierce. at times you couldn’t tell who the woman was and who man was . The only way you could tell was the woman was pressing and moving forward. , and the hair coming out the back. a real testament to the sport.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

What weight's do you guys think would be a fair handicap contest between men and woman boxers.

In theory I think that in our modern age of no discrimination men and women should be able to fight with each other, but obviously women being naturally weaker then men would need a weight advantage, question is how much?

I reckon a top female boxer weighing around 154 should be a fair fight for a man say under 120 lbs.

And I reckon a weight of about 168 lbs for a woman would be a fair handicap for a man say upto 130 lbs.

So my question is this, could a top women fighter, say super middleweight or above beat a top 130 lb say Isreal Vasquez or even R Marquez?

All opinions welcome :)

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35-40 pounds up to 168.....after that I dont think it would matter how much the woman weighed.....I think a 140lb man could beat a 200 pound woman....so a woman at 168 and the man at 132-128...any higher weight for a man and its lights out....those guys at 140 walk around at 160 or more....

Holly Holm could beat any man if she would fight wearing a thong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuLWWDoN85E

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuLWWDoN85E

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A woman that can box would beat that asshole to death.Hell Joey could'nt do anything with Chyna.

Here is Ann Wolfe cashing out undefeated Vonda Ward 18-0 15 kos at the time. now thats bringing the hammer down .

[youtube=425,350]HWFaUwjIySM[/youtube]

Just let the male be Mora and there's your handiman

TWO MACHINE GUNS :badass:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuLWWDoN85E

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A woman that can box would beat that asshole to death.Hell Joey could'nt do anything with Chyna.

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Ha this fight was pretty entertaining. I find it amusing though that in both man vss woman fights the men outweight the women by 40 lbs or more, thats hardly fair imo.

I'd fancy a slightly younh Buttafuco to bully and beatdown a little pissant 110 lb flyweight as well over 3 rounds.


Now put him in with Ann Wolf however and he gets ktfo.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Here is Ann Wolfe cashing out undefeated Vonda Ward 18-0 15 kos at the time. now thats bringing the hammer down .

[youtube=425,350]HWFaUwjIySM[/youtube]

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Yep she's scary alright! I think she'd bash many a man without too much difficulty!

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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss

I've posted this some weeks ago...its not directly the topic of this thread,but something
like two or three month ago german late night show entertainer Stefan Raab challenged
female german boxlegend Regina Halmich for an exhibition fight for the second time..the last time
ended with a broken nose for the entertainer ;D ...
Raab never boxed in his life(besides their first fight) and is an average healthy 40 years old man...
He outweighs Halmich by something like 70 pounds...the fight was scheduled for 6 rnds and it
may look like an entertaining joke,but Raab took it quite seriously...even though he has no skill
at all, he trained for six weeks and among other things trained a little bit with Felix Sturm...
But will it be enough to stand against a professional female boxer ...

Here are the first three rnds:


[stream=380,320]mms://wms.e-tv.de/tvtotal/2007/03/30/1024-01-07-wm_midband.wmv[/stream]

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Thanks for this one CC Johnny - i tried to watch it the first time you put it up but couldn't get it to play for some reason. I think I even learnt something from that - sparring taller heavier people is difficult - regardless of whether you're male or female - I like the way she did it!

i don't care how big ann wolfe's arm are she's too technically flawed to beat any world champion male boxer...unless its a bantam weight and he gets too cocky and stands there with his hands down...ann wolfe would be stopped and so would every other woman who'd put on gloves...that's pro vs pro..now anne probably could beat an untrained smaller guy..but even then if he was trained on how to throw a punch in the correct manner its lights out for her....even if he couldn't just used the strum or winky defence and let her come in then hit her when she gets close and the power where eventually wear her down...when laila ali was on BET with shane mosley at the time he was 135 and she was 168..they asked if she could beat him and she "no, even a man 135lbs has more power than a woman her size"

so i don't care how much she weighs unless is a ridculously small man that protein deficient anne wolfe, laila ali, all of them are going out...because none of them have good defense..scratch that none of them have even average defense.,,,

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

i don't care how big ann wolfe's arm are she's too technically flawed to beat any world champion male boxer...unless its a bantam weight and he gets too cocky and stands there with his hands down...ann wolfe would be stopped and so would every other woman who'd put on gloves...that's pro vs pro..now anne probably could beat an untrained smaller guy..but even then if he was trained on how to throw a punch in the correct manner its lights out for her....even if he couldn't just used the strum or winky defence and let her come in then hit her when she gets close and the power where eventually wear her down...when laila ali was on BET with shane mosley at the time he was 135 and she was 168..they asked if she could beat him and she "no, even a man 135lbs has more power than a woman her size"

so i don't care how much she weighs unless is a ridculously small man that protein deficient anne wolfe, laila ali, all of them are going out...because none of them have good defense..scratch that none of them have even average defense.,,,

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So what your saying then is that a fight between Ann Wolf and Edison Miranda would be a pick'em?

I agree ;)

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i don't care how big ann wolfe's arm are she's too technically flawed to beat any world champion male boxer...unless its a bantam weight and he gets too cocky and stands there with his hands down...ann wolfe would be stopped and so would every other woman who'd put on gloves...that's pro vs pro..now anne probably could beat an untrained smaller guy..but even then if he was trained on how to throw a punch in the correct manner its lights out for her....even if he couldn't just used the strum or winky defence and let her come in then hit her when she gets close and the power where eventually wear her down...when laila ali was on BET with shane mosley at the time he was 135 and she was 168..they asked if she could beat him and she "no, even a man 135lbs has more power than a woman her size"

so i don't care how much she weighs unless is a ridculously small man that protein deficient anne wolfe, laila ali, all of them are going out...because none of them have good defense..scratch that none of them have even average defense.,,,

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So what your saying then is that a fight between Ann Wolf and Edison Miranda would be a pick'em?

I agree ;)

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i guess you're not a miranda fan...but the only pick'em in that fight would be what round is wolfe going out in....

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i don't care how big ann wolfe's arm are she's too technically flawed to beat any world champion male boxer...unless its a bantam weight and he gets too cocky and stands there with his hands down...ann wolfe would be stopped and so would every other woman who'd put on gloves...that's pro vs pro..now anne probably could beat an untrained smaller guy..but even then if he was trained on how to throw a punch in the correct manner its lights out for her....even if he couldn't just used the strum or winky defence and let her come in then hit her when she gets close and the power where eventually wear her down...when laila ali was on BET with shane mosley at the time he was 135 and she was 168..they asked if she could beat him and she "no, even a man 135lbs has more power than a woman her size"

so i don't care how much she weighs unless is a ridculously small man that protein deficient anne wolfe, laila ali, all of them are going out...because none of them have good defense..scratch that none of them have even average defense.,,,

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So what your saying then is that a fight between Ann Wolf and Edison Miranda would be a pick'em?

I agree ;)

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i guess you're not a miranda fan...but the only pick'em in that fight would be what round is wolfe going out in....

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Havent watched much female boxing then I take it?
Shes better technically then Pavlik by a long sight

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i don't care how big ann wolfe's arm are she's too technically flawed to beat any world champion male boxer...unless its a bantam weight and he gets too cocky and stands there with his hands down...ann wolfe would be stopped and so would every other woman who'd put on gloves...that's pro vs pro..now anne probably could beat an untrained smaller guy..but even then if he was trained on how to throw a punch in the correct manner its lights out for her....even if he couldn't just used the strum or winky defence and let her come in then hit her when she gets close and the power where eventually wear her down...when laila ali was on BET with shane mosley at the time he was 135 and she was 168..they asked if she could beat him and she "no, even a man 135lbs has more power than a woman her size"

so i don't care how much she weighs unless is a ridculously small man that protein deficient anne wolfe, laila ali, all of them are going out...because none of them have good defense..scratch that none of them have even average defense.,,,

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So what your saying then is that a fight between Ann Wolf and Edison Miranda would be a pick'em?

I agree ;)

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i guess you're not a miranda fan...but the only pick'em in that fight would be what round is wolfe going out in....

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Havent watched much female boxing then I take it?
Shes better technically then Pavlik by a long sight

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not really..i think its a side show...although i like women's kickboxing and MMA..now i'd take them against the average guy...but boxing no way.....and lennox lewis was praising pavlik's boxing skills...technical or not miranda and pavlik would both kayo anne in 45secs