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will pac ever get credit???
alright, before you guys go crazy saying this thread was done before hear me out.
everytime we have a debate over pac, a lot of people say that the fighters that he fought are all washed up down the hill or overrated or unknown. why is it that when he fights, a lot of people doubt him. but if he wins people discredit what he does. IMO it dont matter who you fight, washed up old fighters or young up and coming or even prime, if you win in the same fashion and you bring people out of their chair in excitement you should get credit. heck, i think he should get credit for not being booed in a fight. but thats just me and my "bias" assessment.. what do you guys think?
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I think PAC gets the credit he deserves I mean hes beaten MAB and Erik regardless of what people say.... Hes also lost to Erik and fought to a draw with JMM....
As for his other fights I mean how much creedit would you like for him to get for beating Hector Velasquez, Oscar Larios and Jorge Solis.
He get's the credit he deserves but the hard core Pac Fans expect and demand more BUT the truth is he has to earn it.....
We hack at Hatton and Joe and other fighters for fighting fighters like Velasquez, Larios and Solis in their respective div.
Pac is where he belongs in the P4P list and he has earned the respect he deserves.....
This is coming from a hard core Erik fan now a convereted Pac fan.
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Originally Posted by josef4334
alright, before you guys go crazy saying this thread was done before hear me out.
everytime we have a debate over pac, a lot of people say that the fighters that he fought are all washed up down the hill or overrated or unknown. why is it that when he fights, a lot of people doubt him. but if he wins people discredit what he does. IMO it dont matter who you fight, washed up old fighters or young up and coming or even prime, if you win in the same fashion and you bring people out of their chair in excitement you should get credit. heck, i think he should get credit for not being booed in a fight. but thats just me and my "bias" assessment.. what do you guys think?
I like Pac, and think he is good for boxing. One of the most exciting fighters out there. He's in the top three p4p, so he gets the credit he deserves. Most fighters get hacked on, for people they didn't look good against, or who they didn't fight, or "he beat that guy when he was old". Hell, every Floyd thread, you bash him into oblivion. Pac is one of the best right now, regardless, and noone can take that away from him. ;D
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I think PAC gets the credit he deserves I mean hes beaten MAB and Erik regardless of what people say.... Hes also lost to Erik and fought to a draw with JMM....
As for his other fights I mean how much creedit would you like for him to get for beating Hector Velasquez, Oscar Larios and Jorge Solis.
He get's the credit he deserves but the hard core Pac Fans expect and demand more BUT the truth is he has to earn it.....
We hack at Hatton and Joe and other fighters for fighting fighters like Velasquez, Larios and Solis in their respective div.
Pac is where he belongs in the P4P list and he has earned the respect he deserves.....
This is coming from a hard core Erik fan now a convereted Pac fan.
well, mick, i know your not biased by any means. im just talking about the posts that involves pac and us crazy pacfans talks about his wins over the real legends of the featherweight divisions some people come along and bash pac about how those guys he fought were washed up or overrated or unknown. i dont get why cant they give him credit for fighting and giving a great show and winning.. why do they have to degrade morales, mab because they are past their prime?
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
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Originally Posted by josef4334
alright, before you guys go crazy saying this thread was done before hear me out.
everytime we have a debate over pac, a lot of people say that the fighters that he fought are all washed up down the hill or overrated or unknown. why is it that when he fights, a lot of people doubt him. but if he wins people discredit what he does. IMO it dont matter who you fight, washed up old fighters or young up and coming or even prime, if you win in the same fashion and you bring people out of their chair in excitement you should get credit. heck, i think he should get credit for not being booed in a fight. but thats just me and my "bias" assessment.. what do you guys think?
I like Pac, and think he is good for boxing. One of the most exciting fighters out there. He's in the top three p4p, so he gets the credit he deserves. Most fighters get hacked on, for people they didn't look good against, or who they didn't fight, or "he beat that guy when he was old". Hell, every Floyd thread, you bash him into oblivion. Pac is one of the best right now, regardless, and noone can take that away from him. ;D
i only bash floyd coz he doesnt fight the way he was that made him famous. his opponents was handpicked for him and i dont have any problem with that coz he should be able to demolish them without any problem. but the way he fought baldo, thats something that pissed me off. he had everything and baldo only had the punching power yet he spent that night on the run rather than putting a show. now with the odlh fight, he said that this crap yet he didnt deliver anything. i know its all talk but come on now man. how would you feel if pac said hes gonna kick a$$ and then come to fight like mayweather did? i know i would be pissed and ill bash him too.
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Pac is good but great who knows give him a few year and perhaps he will be i would like him to fight Barrera and JMM again
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Pac is good but great who knows give him a few year and perhaps he will be i would like him to fight Barrera and JMM again
dude, what year are you in. the guy is on his prime right now. hes on top the superfeatherweight division right now. never went after a second fight with him and jmm refused to fight pac coz the price aint right for him
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
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Originally Posted by josef4334
alright, before you guys go crazy saying this thread was done before hear me out.
everytime we have a debate over pac, a lot of people say that the fighters that he fought are all washed up down the hill or overrated or unknown. why is it that when he fights, a lot of people doubt him. but if he wins people discredit what he does. IMO it dont matter who you fight, washed up old fighters or young up and coming or even prime, if you win in the same fashion and you bring people out of their chair in excitement you should get credit. heck, i think he should get credit for not being booed in a fight. but thats just me and my "bias" assessment.. what do you guys think?
I like Pac, and think he is good for boxing. One of the most exciting fighters out there. He's in the top three p4p, so he gets the credit he deserves. Most fighters get hacked on, for people they didn't look good against, or who they didn't fight, or "he beat that guy when he was old". Hell, every Floyd thread, you bash him into oblivion. Pac is one of the best right now, regardless, and noone can take that away from him. ;D
i only bash floyd coz he doesnt fight the way he was that made him famous. his opponents was handpicked for him and i dont have any problem with that coz he should be able to demolish them without any problem. but the way he fought baldo, thats something that pissed me off. he had everything and baldo only had the punching power yet he spent that night on the run rather than putting a show. now with the odlh fight, he said that this crap yet he didnt deliver anything. i know its all talk but come on now man. how would you feel if pac said hes gonna kick a$$ and then come to fight like mayweather did? i know i would be pissed and ill bash him too.
Floyd put on a boxing clinic in the Baldo fight, he just couldn't knock him out. Baldo does naturally outweigh floyd by about 30 lbs, and has a good chin, in Floyd's defense. But Baldomir was busted up all over the place. As far as the Oscar fight, we all knew Floyd wouldn't go for the KO, but he stood his ground and won, but it wasn't a "Massacre".
I do agree with what you're saying about Floyd's statements though. Alot of it is to hype the fights, but I'd rather him be real and say" I'm gonna put on a clinic", or "I'm gonna give him a boxing lesson", or even "This will only be a sparring session for me", that would be more real than "It's gonna be a massacre". I don't buy into that much though, because we know what he's gonna do.
If Pac moved up in weight, and couldn't knock a bigger man out, but did what he had to do to win, regardless of what he said, I would'nt bash him. He still won.
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor
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Originally Posted by josef4334
alright, before you guys go crazy saying this thread was done before hear me out.
everytime we have a debate over pac, a lot of people say that the fighters that he fought are all washed up down the hill or overrated or unknown. why is it that when he fights, a lot of people doubt him. but if he wins people discredit what he does. IMO it dont matter who you fight, washed up old fighters or young up and coming or even prime, if you win in the same fashion and you bring people out of their chair in excitement you should get credit. heck, i think he should get credit for not being booed in a fight. but thats just me and my "bias" assessment.. what do you guys think?
I like Pac, and think he is good for boxing. One of the most exciting fighters out there. He's in the top three p4p, so he gets the credit he deserves. Most fighters get hacked on, for people they didn't look good against, or who they didn't fight, or "he beat that guy when he was old". Hell, every Floyd thread, you bash him into oblivion. Pac is one of the best right now, regardless, and noone can take that away from him. ;D
i only bash floyd coz he doesnt fight the way he was that made him famous. his opponents was handpicked for him and i dont have any problem with that coz he should be able to demolish them without any problem. but the way he fought baldo, thats something that pissed me off. he had everything and baldo only had the punching power yet he spent that night on the run rather than putting a show. now with the odlh fight, he said that this crap yet he didnt deliver anything. i know its all talk but come on now man. how would you feel if pac said hes gonna kick a$$ and then come to fight like mayweather did? i know i would be pissed and ill bash him too.
Floyd put on a boxing clinic in the Baldo fight, he just couldn't knock him out. Baldo does naturally outweigh floyd by about 30 lbs, and has a good chin, in Floyd's defense. But Baldomir was busted up all over the place. As far as the Oscar fight, we all knew Floyd wouldn't go for the KO, but he stood his ground and won, but it wasn't a "Massacre".
I do agree with what you're saying about Floyd's statements though. Alot of it is to hype the fights, but I'd rather him be real and say" I'm gonna put on a clinic", or "I'm gonna give him a boxing lesson", or even "This will only be a sparring session for me", that would be more real than "It's gonna be a massacre". I don't buy into that much though, because we know what he's gonna do.
If Pac moved up in weight, and couldn't knock a bigger man out, but did what he had to do to win, regardless of what he said, I would'nt bash him. He still won.
id bash pac if he did open his mouth. but the thing is, he always say he would TRY to win the fight. and thanks for agreeing with what im trying to say. i never bashed floyd based on his skills.i bashed him for all the stupid things he said and he looked more stupid by not being able to do what he said hes gonna do. but CC for you man for not being biased
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I suppose i said it wrong i ment we would know in a few year when more people recognise him as been good if he was great alot of great fighters were made through great fans if you get me
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
I suppose i said it wrong i ment we would know in a few year when more people recognise him as been good if he was great alot of great fighters were made through great fans if you get me
now i get what you meant. but pac was not great coz his fans made him like that. he made it happen for himself. nobody knew who he was until he came to america and started knocking everybody out. he moved from 122 to 126 to 130. he lost one,drew and won more.. but he didnt become famous coz his fans came to this site and ranted about him
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He is definately one of the fittest fighters ive seen and his body is ripped he carries no fat and i know he trains super hard
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He is definately one of the fittest fighters ive seen and his body is ripped he carries no fat and i know he trains super hard
ahhhhh? what? what does that have to do with getting credit for what he does? or for being well known as what you stated before
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Im just talking in general get back in your box you aggressive man i gave you a cool click earlier chillout brother ;) ;D
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Im just talking in general get back in your box you aggressive man i gave you a cool click earlier chillout brother ;) ;D
you call that aggressive??? wow.. i call that a question coz im really baffled. we're talking how i think pac doesnt credit and you come in posting on how fit he looks and how hard he trains. that was a question coz im wondering how did u come up with it.. by the way.. thanks for the cool click
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I like the fact he's 5ft 6 and a half inch aswell
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I like the fact he's 5ft 6 and a half inch aswell
ohh Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Im playing with you chill now im from Sheffield like Naz and im a massive fan so i always side with him but i think Pacman is great i loved his 2nd fight with Morales it was awesome i was just pissing about mate and no worries on the cool click ;D
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you guys know pac has never one a decision fight in america? 8) all his win is via knock outs, that is something boxing needs. I think pacs style is decieving, everyone can talk about how defenseless he is but then when they get in the ring with him, if you can hit him he'll take everything u got. when you hit him with your best shot, he'd smile at you and punch you right back, if you don't smile back he'd be insulted and punch you again for that ;D
I think as long as pac keeps coming and punching nobody can easily beat him(some floyd fans talk as if floyd can really easily beat him) and as long as pac has his speed, his power is going to show.
you guys notice pac hasn't have a one punch k.o at the 130 division, he pretty much beats down his oppenent and whats scary is he knows exactly what his doing to you and he just keeps on giving it to you. I remember he hit morales with massive body punches, and he looks at eric like if asking him can u take more.
I think pac gets credit from unbias boxing fans, but hardcore fans obviously will bash him to make their favorite fighter look better. its just the way it is, but we should all be able to agree pac is a great fighter and is great for the sport right now.
the things that is obviously bias to mention against pac is his k.o lost, its clear when a fan mentions that he has no idea how it happen and just heard pac was k.o'ed before. that makes them look real stupid. another thing is when someone mentions pac will easily lose to someone because pac has no defense, but best defense is a great offense, look at oscar vs floyd, when oscar was on offense floyd had no offense how can he win that way? but when oscar rest and throws no punches floyd dominates. pac rest but he doesn't rest for long he keeps coming and even the legend ali would tell you a fighter that keeps coming and punching you with speed and power is a hard motherfwocker to beat.
but to josef4334 don't worry about all those people that don't give pac credit, just learn to ignore it they are just making themselves look stupid :P :P :P
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This anti-pacs think they're better critics than the people in the Ring Magazine.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
you guys know pac has never one a decision fight in america? 8) all his win is via knock outs, that is something boxing needs. I think pacs style is decieving, everyone can talk about how defenseless he is but then when they get in the ring with him, if you can hit him he'll take everything u got. when you hit him with your best shot, he'd smile at you and punch you right back, if you don't smile back he'd be insulted and punch you again for that ;D
I think as long as pac keeps coming and punching nobody can easily beat him(some floyd fans talk as if floyd can really easily beat him) and as long as pac has his speed, his power is going to show.
you guys notice pac hasn't have a one punch k.o at the 130 division, he pretty much beats down his oppenent and whats scary is he knows exactly what his doing to you and he just keeps on giving it to you. I remember he hit morales with massive body punches, and he looks at eric like if asking him can u take more.
I think pac gets credit from unbias boxing fans, but hardcore fans obviously will bash him to make their favorite fighter look better. its just the way it is, but we should all be able to agree pac is a great fighter and is great for the sport right now.
the things that is obviously bias to mention against pac is his k.o lost, its clear when a fan mentions that he has no idea how it happen and just heard pac was k.o'ed before. that makes them look real stupid. another thing is when someone mentions pac will easily lose to someone because pac has no defense, but best defense is a great offense, look at oscar vs floyd, when oscar was on offense floyd had no offense how can he win that way? but when oscar rest and throws no punches floyd dominates. pac rest but he doesn't rest for long he keeps coming and even the legend ali would tell you a fighter that keeps coming and punching you with speed and power is a hard motherfwocker to beat.
but to josef4334 don't worry about all those people that don't give pac credit, just learn to ignore it they are just making themselves look stupid :P :P :P
hahaha. thanks man.. its not only that they dont give pac credit but the also just diss mab and morales by calling them washed up. they might be past their prime but they are far from washed up. and when pac fought mab, he was in his prime
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i had know clue people weren't giving him credit. :dontknow:
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
i had know clue people weren't giving him credit. :dontknow:
Honestly he's being debated as either number 1 or 2 p4p in the world. What other credit do you want him to receive? Ruler of his homeland?
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
i had know clue people weren't giving him credit. :dontknow:
Honestly he's being debated as either number 1 or 2 p4p in the world. What other credit do you want him to receive? Ruler of his homeland?
come on man.. did u read what i wrote. dont be sarcastic coz you know what im talking about..and its not about the p4p coz thats just something on paper.
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
i had know clue people weren't giving him credit. :dontknow:
Honestly he's being debated as either number 1 or 2 p4p in the world. What other credit do you want him to receive? Ruler of his homeland?
come on man.. did u read what i wrote. dont be sarcastic coz you know what im talking about..and its not about the p4p coz thats just something on paper.
Dude there's people that can hate on every fighter. These people that hate on certain fighters are in a minority and will always come up with something just to try and show that their hate is justified. It happens though you just gotta show 'em the facts and say "what now?"
