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Hi guys.
This joker thinks UFC will take over from boxing. Has he got a point. Frankly, I think boxing will always be the superior sport because of the tradition, artistry and skill level.
Does UFC have boxing's number?
Ultimate Fighting Championship claims that it has surpassed boxing — and the staged outcomes of World Wrestling Entertainment, for that matter — as the most popular fight sport in the US.
http://www.sportsnut.com.au/category.php?intid=7
Well one of the big factors now is boxing is not being shown on the free channels like it used to be.The UFC fights now are being shown on free channels now where it started out only being a PPV event.If Boxing want's to keep going it has to be offered to the general public on local channels and not $49.99 PPV!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jack
Never!
Joe Rogan did say something very interesting in his debate with Dou Dibella.
He said that boxing is itself a form of martial arts and I would have to agree. He then went on to say that it is just one form of martial arts and therefore fighting, in the same way that jutitsu is one form, and karate another.
He then went on to argue that MMA is about the art of total fighting, pitting the best guys from each discipline against each other to find out which martial arts disciplines are the most effective in a total combat situation.
I really like what he was saying. Dibella argued nonsensically that boxing was the 'sweet science' but taken individually you would have to agree that every martial art has just as much of a 'sweet science' to it as boxing. The world's best jujitsu guys, the best wrestlers, the best kung fu guys they all have tremendous skill and have certainly perfected their own 'sweet sciences'.
Rogan then went on to argue that until the emergance of MMA tournaments and organistations in the recent past these guys had no way of entering professional competitions and pursuing their sports at the highest level.
Now with the MMA, Pride and other organistations we have for the first time the potential to see the development of the science of 'complete unarmed combat' and the eventul emergence of the complete fighting machine.
This to me, and other's who 'get it' is amazingly exciting. Finally after hundreds of years of speculation and theory we are finally seeing, in demonstration how each martial art compares and how useful they are in a practical real world situation of fighting.
As more and more people get on board, and better and more skilled athletes participate we will in time see the complete martial arts system.
In the long term, if this is realised it has the potential to completely overshadow boxing and reduce it to a sideshow.
For boxing to maintain it's popularity it has to be aware of the things the UFC is getting right and imitate them.
Cater to the fans, make boxing more freely available on television, ensure the best fights get made, clean up the bad judging, reduce the weight of the gloves, change the rules slighty to make more aggressive fighting rewarded, introduce action replays to help the referees etc
If they don't the UFC will only continue to make inroads into boxing, taking away not only its PPV revenue but also its best young talents.
Well Joe rogan is annoying any way. Maybee him and Teddy Atlas should sit down and have a discsion. I like to see Teddy scrap.
Im big boxing fan but i've found myself recently tuning into UFC its free good fights good kos i wouldn't be suprised if UFC started getting very major threat to boxing.
But that is the thing. Boxing has never been about complete all around combat. It's been about punching, hit and not get hit, float like a butterfly sting like a bee ect. MMA is more "complete" when talking about fighting. But boxing isn't fighting, it's boxing. I don't know why that aspect has been brought up, I don't think it's very relevant honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Agreed but I don't know if that closes in on boxing. I mean, you would be better off comparing it to wrestling rather then boxing. Most of the stuff is on the ground and very rarely does one fighter throw more then 20 punches a round. That is at the very most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I agree, but I don't think that relates to boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
This I agree 100% with. But also, MMA is going to succumb to the same downfalls that bestow boxing. You would at lease have to explore that possibility. I agree with aggressive fighting being rewarded though and quite honestly, I would love a complete overhaul in the judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
This I disagree with. Especially the last part. Most of boxing in America's young talents are black kids from innercities who start boxing at a very young age. I don't think it'll make a move on boxing's talents for a long while. And when you compare PPV revenues per show last year, UFC and HBO boxing were about even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I just don't like UFC, i tried to watch a few events (Roy Gracie was terrific) but if i want to see grapplers or a pub fight...i'll go to the pub! I don't see the skill in it at all, even i could kick someone in the balls!
There is still an art in Boxing, hit and don't get hit, fitness, movement etc.
To me UFC is two bozos fighting over a chick!
Boxing needs Gladiators, warriors and entertainers.
I never want to see another PBF again. Seriously. Sorry PBF fans.
I never want to see another Corey Spinks again!
These fighters stink. The last thing they do is fight.
I want to see warriors and gladiators.
Bob Arum said "enough with these businessmen fighters"
Larry Merchant said "enough with these fighters who wont engage and do battle".
I agree!
Fighters should be paid based on performance.
Fighters who don't perform and don't give the paying fans their money's worth, should be penalized and deducted money from their purse. The money should be then saved and given to lesser name fighter's during that event undercard or and for future events. Fighters who entertain and give it their all should be rewarded with bonuses and fighters who just come and try to squeek by should be deducted money. If you call yourself a fighter then fight!
Fighters should be forced to engage at least once toe to toe each round.
I heard a ref the other night tell the MMA fighters during a fight, that if they did not engage and do battle he would deduct a point. He said who ever starts running will be deducted a point.
Nothing will change until we the fans have had enough and stop paying for these events. We need to make demands. I wont ever be a MMA fan. I watch it from time to time but it is just not my gig.
When the fans get sick and tired of being sick and tired of being ripped off, then the changes will come. Boycott! Stop paying for these fights you idiots!
All this shiet about I will fight the person who can bring the most cash (Jermain Taylor) I say phuk you! He stinks too.
Hey Amat. I'm not trying to argue that MMA is better than boxing what I'm trying to say is that it IS a valid sport. It's aim, to develop the ultimate combat style and to pursue the quest for the 'perfect' all around fighter is at least as valid, and in time will be as much of a science as boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Different sports, and both will appeal for different reasons, but people who argue that MMA is human cockfighting or involves no skill need to wake up.
The 'science' of total combat is every bit as noble and legitimate a pursuit as the 'sweet science' of boxing is.
And then Joe Rogan sat down and wrote a joke that nobody laughed at,and then he got handed another previously wildly succesful basic cable show,that got canceled within months of Joe Rogan being handed it.
Hey Joe
When your muscles ache,and your hungry as hell
You go to a spa,and have a steak
I brush it off,go to work,and have a salad as a treat
Shut yer piehole
I agree totally, I love MMA, my brother has been involved with it for years helping out with a bunch of different guys wrestling skills. And it has developed a ton over the past few years. But will it overtake boxing? If boxing dies, it's because of boxing not UFC. That's my only point. Now we know that boxing won't die for a long time, it has 20 times the global influence of MMA. So I was just pointing out that the UFC's assertions on boxing is wrong. That's all.
And I agree completely, like I said in the other thread, when I saw Dibella battling it out with Rogan, I cringed because I knew how ignorant Lou was and that boxing would come off bad. If it weren't for the level headed Bryan Kenny being the moderator I would have changed the channel.
All I'm saying is that it doesn't have to be boxing or MMA, the same way it doesn't have to be football or baseball. It can be boxing AND MMA. I'm a HUGE boxing fan watching UFC 71 right now.
:coolclick: agreed. Finally got a stream via vlc player, watching the Petrosian fight now 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
See, I have no interest in this or else I too would be watching it stream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
But I am not.
That's the thing. It's subjective. You don't have to like it. But don't (and I'm not saying you did because from what I read, I agree and you didn't slight MMA other then saying you don't like it) call it human cockfighting and talentless because then Kimbo would be P4P number 1. I think that's where UFC's big beef is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Thats like saying is Rugby going to take over football or soccer. Two totally different things.Hell there will always be 20-30 year old white males in the world who have beer muscles who are going to love this sport. I do believe the average boxing fan is well more knowledgeable than the average UFC fan about there sport.
Exactly southakron, boxing and UFC are only similar in the fact that 1 person tries to beat up their opponent, now how they go about it is totally different.
I like boxing, I'm a BOXING fan, I am not at all impressed with UFC but if anyone is, good for you enjoy it. Hell everyone can't be the same and like the same stuff.
Yep thats about rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You want to watch it,go for it,and enjoy,dont expect me to be running to my phone any time soon to order the PPV,and dont blather on about how it will overtake boxing.
Might as well be saying Baseball has overtaken Cricket
ufc is no threat because us boxing fans are very ingnorant and stick to our guns but i do watch ufc and love it but i love watching boxing more ,its 2 difrent things theres no sharp punchers in ufc and u cant watch brains at work in ufc
I just don't see what's so badass about rolling around on the ground....
RIDDLE ME THIS MMA FANS!
Which is more exciting
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This
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I think in all fairness it just boils down to one thing; knockouts. People want to see knockouts. I like both boxing and UFC, but I shy away from watching MMA guys who tend to grapple just as I shy away from watching Winky Wright, Jermaine Taylor, and other's who tend to rarely score knockouts. To me, a Rampage or Liddell fight will keep me just as much on the edge of my seat as a Tommy Hearns or Gerald McClellan fight. I just love knockouts, as I think the majority of fight fans do. I don't care which arena it comes from, just show me knockouts, or more importantly, guys who PUSH for the knockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....all this shit talking about the UFC taking over boxing kind of reminds me of
The USFL vs The NFL
and of course we all know what happened there
Wow what knock out was that at 2:21 on the boxing. I also love that looping over head right by Morrision. Just think how nasty those hits would be with 3 ounce MMA gloves. Possibly career ended and permanite brain damage.
I wasnt impressed by MMA guy's chins they seem to be very fragile.
Boxer's are the best fighters period! Look at that crap fight last night where Chuck and Rampage was throwing wild shots and then not covering up. Morrison would have murdered Chuck or Rampage!MMA is Overrated, Long live boxing!
Im from Australia and UFC means nothing here, yet a big boxing match is still major news. Boxing is underthreat in the US but almost everywhere else it is massively more popular than UFC which is seen as a side act like wwe. Thats why boxing will survive.
Hey they could always sue us as a monopoly and get $3.76 in court ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
C'mon Duke, its easy to say that now isn't it? You weren't sayin that b4 though. IF an MMA fighter gets a boxer to the ground, its over. We all know that. It would be nuts for either Rampage or Liddell to stand up with Morrison or any good pro boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer's Infection
not only did the MMA bring in more money from PPV's last year in the U.S but also in Asia and Europe. not to bad for a "side act"...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Morrison would get taken down and choked out in less than 60 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer's Infection
Your username seems misleading. Are you a boxing fan or an MMA fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
i love them both. growing up in Easton, you can't help but love boxing. but what i love about MMA besides the knockouts is that the company makes the fights. no promoters, management, or networks to get in the way. the best will always fight the best competition. there's no ducking or hiding behind contract negociations. MMA isn't for everyone but to criticize it because you don't understand it completely or because it's becoming a little threat to the sport of boxing is just pure ignorance. i will always love boxing but it has dug itself in a deep hole with all the corruption that the powers that be refuse to address and get rid of. MMA puts a lot of money into promoting its sport and making sure the fighters never become bigger than the sport itself. giving the fans the best matchups is their priorty. there are a lot of things like this boxing really needs to copy because that 18-35 male demographic that they use to dominate is slowly moving away towards MMA. boxing has only itself to blame and trashing MMA isn't going to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I love boxing and I like MMA. Boxing is more technical, more of an art. I fit into that 18-35 demographic bein that I'm 19 and male, last time I checked anyway, and honestly its a pretty dum ass demographic.
lol :coolclick: just imagine if we make it a lot longer down the road in america, somebody thats around our age is gonna be prez and have his finger on the button :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
CC in 24 if I remember. Yep, that is a troubling thought indeed. Right now I'm not really lookin much past 30 to 35, hopefully, God willing, I'll live a long life. But I can't look that far into the future and don't want to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not looking much past the next two years. All i know is people better get their shit together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Easton, where did you get that Europe and Asia getting more in PPV dollars number? Because I know the UFC hasn't ever released their PPV numbers for Europe. They just recently released the 2006 numbers (and not the individual event numbers) for America. I agree it's not a side act, but it doesn't have the popularity of boxing worldwide no doubt.
UFC will never eclipse boxing IMO ever...
It is to easy to wina major fight in the ufc... bnow i am a big ufc fan but take the superfight last night, chuck v rampage.. anyone see that fight? absolute shit! there was no action untill the knock out; and what did that knock out prove? that chuck will get knocked down if he is hit hard enough on the chin? fuck me they could fight 3 more times and the fight would end different ways with diffrent winners.. that fight was a super fight in the ufc.. it wasn't as big as would it could of been because they rushed it, rampage needed one or two more fights..
boxing there are twist, sure a big punch in boxing changes things, but normally big punchers are exciting throughout not just one hit...
I like boxing more, but its already losing the battle. UFC broke the ppv record last year.
Here ya go,My brother in law still has a place in EastonQuote:
Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
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The first cheers you learn to do in school are " We've Got the Spirit, Yeah, We've Got the Spirit, Yeah, We Got the Spirit, Yeah, We've Got the What, What What, What, What What What What What What What, We've Got the Spirit! and you know the all of the motions .....and finally, " We're From Easton Can't Be Prouder if You Can't Hear Us We'll Yell a Little Louder" and we do our best to prove ourselves true!! OK Now that I made you suffer through it, even though I doubt all of you have read it, there is a little insight to the lives of those of us who live in the incredible Lehigh Valley.. (now you know why i go looney sometimes)--- On Fri 05/25, Lubaczewski, Leslie < Leslie.Lubaczewski@echostar.com > wrote: From: Lubaczewski, Leslie [mailto: Leslie.Lubaczewski@echostar.com] To: caverats@excite.com Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:51:10 -0600 Subject: RE: G'AfternoonEither you decided to get some practice in, or the Amiteyville House
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