Tszyu vs Cotto

Both some serious power punhers, and both time their punches very well. Who would yall pick??

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id have to go wid tszyu with an 8th round stoppage

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at this point have to go with tszyu, was a better boxer and has a better chin. plus cotto is not a one punch knockout guy, tszyu is

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A PRIME kostya would k.o cotto within 10

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Im going with Kostya Cottos defense is quite flawed and with Kostyas excellent timing and great power he would ko Cotto in 7 or 8.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

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I pick Cotto at 147 and Tszyu at 140....Cotto killed himself making weight at 140 and had to take rounds off to stay in the fight for the distance, KT had great power and great stamina but Miguel is WAAAAAY too big and active for him at 147

Tszyu-Gatti would be good to think about as well

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Kostya would slaughter Gatti.

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Kostya would slaughter Gatti.

....eh you never know...I mean if Gatti boxed a bit more.

It would be fun to watch while it lasted

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For sure Cotto @ 147
Toss up @ 140 maybe with the edge to Tszyu because of Cotto's weight problem

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Kostya would slaughter Gatti.

....eh you never know...I mean if Gatti boxed a bit more.

It would be fun to watch while it lasted

Fun no doubt but Gatti never beat an elite fighter and Kostya was elite and was better fighter mostly all round than Gatti could box but we all know timing beats speed aka Judah vs Kostya.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

lmao at you now being obssessed with following me around because of exposing your overrated favorite midget Marciano as officially being a cruiserweight ;D ;D

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It would have been a great fight, I think it would have been a late round stoppage for Tszyu.
The post Phillips Tszyu from 1998-2002 was unbeatable and if you are talking that era then i'd pick KT against Floyd too!!

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It would have been a great fight, I think it would have been a late round stoppage for Tszyu.
The post Phillips Tszyu from 1998-2002 was unbeatable and if you are talking that era then i'd pick KT against Floyd too!!

Kostya was far from unbeatable thats quite a statement you made there and he has a shot against Mayweather because we all know timing is the key to beat speed but Mayweather also has good defense so in that case i find it hard for Kostya to land his big bombs on Mayweather.

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tszyu no doubt.

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It would have been a great fight, I think it would have been a late round stoppage for Tszyu.
The post Phillips Tszyu from 1998-2002 was unbeatable and if you are talking that era then i'd pick KT against Floyd too!!

Kostya was far from unbeatable thats quite a statement you made there and he has a shot against Mayweather because we all know timing is the key to beat speed but Mayweather also has good defense so in that case i find it hard for Kostya to land his big bombs on Mayweather.

It's a big statement i know but i keep looking at his fights against Gonzalez who at the time had only lost to DLH and his fight with Hurtado and he destroyed them both. Remember that Judah at the time was everyone's P4P pick in 2001 and he was going to carve through KT's defense like swiss cheese!
I also think that Sugar Shane gave Tszyu a wide berth in those years and that was a wise decision.
I agree Floyd would have been hard to hit but if anyone could have done it then KT was the man.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

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It would have been a great fight, I think it would have been a late round stoppage for Tszyu.
The post Phillips Tszyu from 1998-2002 was unbeatable and if you are talking that era then i'd pick KT against Floyd too!!

Kostya was far from unbeatable thats quite a statement you made there and he has a shot against Mayweather because we all know timing is the key to beat speed but Mayweather also has good defense so in that case i find it hard for Kostya to land his big bombs on Mayweather.

It's a big statement i know but i keep looking at his fights against Gonzalez who at the time had only lost to DLH and his fight with Hurtado and he destroyed them both. Remember that Judah at the time was everyone's P4P pick in 2001 and he was going to carve through KT's defense like swiss cheese!
I also think that Sugar Shane gave Tszyu a wide berth in those years and that was a wise decision.
I agree Floyd would have been hard to hit but if anyone could have done it then KT was the man.

Hurtado isn't good fight to mention because that fight made Kostya looked beatable he was dropped twice and hurt by someone who wasn't really known as puncher.

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I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I don't think he's ever off of it

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just stating my opinion.

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Tszyu vs Cotto would be great. Tszyu gets my nod, only because Cotto is more conventional than Hatton, and Tszyu would land cleaner shots on cotto.

As for the argument about Tszyu-Hatton, Tszyu was still great, but had too long of a lay-off, and Hatton and his camp came in with the right style, and game plan to wear Tszyu out. Hats off to Hatton. If the fight was earlier in their careers, you could always say Tszyu, because he was a beast, but it could be countered that at that time Hatton wasn't ready, or experienced enough. Pure speculation, but I'd say Tszyu if the fight was when Tszyu beat Mitchell the first time, then beat Zab.

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It would have been a great fight, I think it would have been a late round stoppage for Tszyu.
The post Phillips Tszyu from 1998-2002 was unbeatable and if you are talking that era then i'd pick KT against Floyd too!!

Kostya was far from unbeatable thats quite a statement you made there and he has a shot against Mayweather because we all know timing is the key to beat speed but Mayweather also has good defense so in that case i find it hard for Kostya to land his big bombs on Mayweather.

It's a big statement i know but i keep looking at his fights against Gonzalez who at the time had only lost to DLH and his fight with Hurtado and he destroyed them both. Remember that Judah at the time was everyone's P4P pick in 2001 and he was going to carve through KT's defense like swiss cheese!
I also think that Sugar Shane gave Tszyu a wide berth in those years and that was a wise decision.
I agree Floyd would have been hard to hit but if anyone could have done it then KT was the man.

Hurtado isn't good fight to mention because that fight made Kostya looked beatable he was dropped twice and hurt by someone who wasn't really known as puncher.

Hurtado had 25 KO's in 38 wins, not bad! KT was definately not hurt and was off balance with one of them and i dispute the other knockdown. Still it was a fight that was bound to have mistakes the way they went at it. Hurtado had Whitaker down too!

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I'd have to go with Tszyu, if Tszyu was able to hit Cotto flush once or twice like Urkal did all through out their fight, then it's good night Miguel. I'm not saying this because I like or dislike either fighter, but KT hit like a bastard and Cotto was hurt and dropped by Torres (who admittedly packs a punch), and I think KT, if he hurt Cotto like that, would finish the job.
KT by mid round TKO in my opinion.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

Dude, give me a break with the 'ideal conditions'. The referree didn't make Kostya quit. The referree didn't beat him into submission, Hatton did. I think it's hysterical that people will try to make excuses for a guy on the account that 'his opponent fought too rough ;D.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

Dude, give me a break with the 'ideal conditions'. The referree didn't make Kostya quit. The referree didn't beat him into submission, Hatton did. I think it's hysterical that people will try to make excuses for a guy on the account that 'his opponent fought too rough ;D.

Hatton did hit him in the balls in round 9 effectively ending the fight there. Should have been DQ'd!!

Re: Tszyu vs Cotto

The referee in that fight was a disgrace. Sure, that's not the only reason Tszyu lost..and credit has to be given to Hatton for fighting a rough/pressure fight...but there is no question in my mind that that was no where close to a prime Tszyu. Add to that the referee, the home crowd, and a younger/fresher opponent...and you had that result.

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KT beats weight drianed Cotto at 140 via KO. As for Hatton,he would beat a prime Tszyu.Why?Styles make fights. Vince Phillips also beat Tszyu with a similar style,just bum rush him,don't give him space to breathe.Hatton would use that same style with a prime Tszyu and would win imo.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

This is all bollocks, you could make an argument 9/10 for a fighter being "not in his prime". Hatton beat Kostya hands down, no excsues came from Kostya. Hatton was better on the night, both were well prepared. End of. As for the question to the thread, Tszyu would destroy Cotto

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

This is all bollocks, you could make an argument 9/10 for a fighter being "not in his prime". Hatton beat Kostya hands down, no excsues came from Kostya. Hatton was better on the night, both were well prepared. End of. As for the question to the thread, Tszyu would destroy Cotto

I never said that Hatton didn't beat Tszyu hands down, and I never said that Hatton wasn't the better man that night. You are arguing with yourself here.

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KT beats weight drianed Cotto at 140 via KO. As for Hatton,he would beat a prime Tszyu.Why?Styles make fights. Vince Phillips also beat Tszyu with a similar style,just bum rush him,don't give him space to breathe.Hatton would use that same style with a prime Tszyu and would win imo.

Exactly Phillips just kept coming at Kostya and eventually broke him up and that was Kostyas prime.

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Exactly what has Cotto done in his career so far to make someone pick him over Tszyu?

Exactly what had Ricky Hatton done in his career prior to his fight with Kostya ???

That wasn't a prime Tszyu, that was an old inactive Tszyu. There's a significant difference.

You mean a 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 7 months before meeting Hatton was inferior to the 35 year old Kostya who hadn't fought in 22 months before destoying Sharmba Mitchell ??? Sorry bro, but that excuse doesn't fly around here anymore.

Neither one of those versions of Tszyu was a prime Tszyu. I don't see how what you just typed disproves anything I said before.

Because unbeknownst to you, a fighter's prime doesn't only last a fraction of a moment. It's pretty much common sense. If a fighter is able to produce consistent victories at a high level, the 'oh he wasn't in his prime' excuse goes right out the window. It's fans like you that try to say a fighter's prime is between two dates when they didn't lose, so that any argument against a fighter losing can be rebutted by saying, 'oh, well um, he wasn't in his prime.' Newsflash; great fighters in the prime of their career can lose fights. It happens all the time.

You're taking this thread completely off-topic, since this is supposed to be about Cotto vs. Tszyu.... but I'll play along.

So are you saying that Kostya Tszyu was in the prime of his career when he fought Ricky Hatton?

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LMAO at this guy getting all mad ;D

I think Samson is on the rag right now.

I'd say Kostya was in his prime when he fought Hatton. He looked as good as he ever did the fight just before that against Sharmba Mitchell. IMO you can take Kostya from '99, '00, '02, '03, or '04 and the result is still the same, just as IMO you can take Tyson from any year and he'll always lose to Evander. Again, just my opinion.

So u think hatton beats a 99 tszyu in australia with a non biased ref and crowd? Good luck convincing me of that.

Bingo! Listen...at the end of the day he lost to Hatton...but the conditions for that fight where FAR from ideal. And no...a fighter who is 35 years old and coming off injuries and long stretches of inactivity is not "prime." It's a testament to his ability that he performed as well as he did at that point of his career. As far as Tszyu vs. Cotto...i think Cotto has talent...but i am not yet completely sold on him. One thing we do know is that Miguel is a bit chinny...and Tszyu was a tremendous puncher and deadly accurate...so i think Cotto would be in trouble. I would have loved to see Kostya vs. Floyd...that truly would have been a fantastic match. It's true...Floyd is damn hard to hit with his speed and defense...but Kostya in his prime was a devastating puncher, extremely accurate, fantastic timing, smart, and in tremendous shape. So i think it would have been a very intriguing fight.

Dude, give me a break with the 'ideal conditions'. The referree didn't make Kostya quit. The referree didn't beat him into submission, Hatton did. I think it's hysterical that people will try to make excuses for a guy on the account that 'his opponent fought too rough ;D.

Hatton did hit him in the balls in round 9 effectively ending the fight there. Should have been DQ'd!!

Um, in case you forgot, it was a retalitory low blow, as Kostya crushed Hatton in the nutts right before ;D