Maybe at a catchweight of 165 or 168 ?
It doesn't make any difference.
Hagler by UD
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Maybe at a catchweight of 165 or 168 ?
It doesn't make any difference.
Hagler by UD
this is getting redundant to say but nevertheless i love saying it
Prime Roy Jones Jr. destroys, beats, stops, wins, walks away the victor, retains the title, wins the title against any fighter @ 175 and below in the history of boxing....and yes "any" means every.... ;) ;D :)
At 160 I'd go with Hagler ;)
Hagler was the best middleweight I have ever seen. He really had everything: conditioning, dedication, heart, ATG chin, pride, desire, boxing ability, big punch and a chip on his shoulder!. At his peak, I don't think he any major weaknesses (anyone who starts quoting things will really only be mentioning things he was less good at, not what he was bad at).
Yes, Leonard pulled a con job on him - jabbing and moving, pitty pat flurries etc. It was a fantastic exhibition of skill and nerve. However, not only was Marvin past his best by then, but I am not entirely convinced Sugar Ray won!
Jones is a great boxer, no doubt about it. But his skill was based on his fantastic reflexes rather than any true grounding in effective techniques - he was a real natural talent.
I think this would be great matchup, but I know that Jones would not have been able to make any dents in Hagler or stop him. I am not sure if he had the nerve of Ray Leonard to flirt so close to disaster and remain balanced and graceful under that pressure (because of what I said about technique). I always had a suspicion that Jones was a bit gun-shy, even at his best, and I think that the Marvelous One would have caught up with him as some point and forced him to exchange. Once that happended there would only be one winner.
Alternatively, whan faced with a superior 'boxer' with a big punch who he probably genuinely though was top class (Hearns), Marvin came out like a kamikaze. I think he would have blitzed Jones (I also wonder whay he didn't do that against a ring-rusty Leonard rather than allow him to get setlled)
A great matchup between two genuine GREATS, though.
It's great that Jones is being touted as an all time great, as he was SO talented.
I would always question his quality of opposition compared to someone like Hagler. Jones did not get the opportunity to face the Leonard's, Hearns, Duran, Mugabis etc. Hagler also fought some real tough cookies on his way up.
That's not to claim that Jones is a worse fighter, as it's not his fault that those calibre guys were not around (though I really rate Toney's quality) or he didn't fight them .... its just a question that Hagler has answered and Jones has not.
I never saw Jones gut out a war or close decison either, and again that is purely a question?
tooooooooooooooooooooo much speed hagler would get hit too many times..and yea marvin was as tough as they come and impossible to hurt with one punch..
but roy had just as much if not more power than hagler..and he'd hit hagler with too many punches and stop him late 10 or 11 maybe even 12..but hagler gets stopped
the funny thing about this is hagler beat a roy jones in 1977 by tko..but the roy we're speaking of stops him...
Again is hard to call but if Jones is as god as i think then ud for Roy
But you gotto love Marvin a real hard man
Of all the possible oucomes I would say Hagler getting stopped is the least likely. If Lou De Valle can go the distance with RJJ so can The Marvelous One ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
:coolclick: for you X.
A super post.
I really liked RJJ but for my money Hagler was the better at middleweight.
yeah a lot of people went the distance that shouldn't have..but then a group of tough non-stoppable guys got stopped by roy like sosa, malinga, and hill....Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Agreed - I have seen nearly all of Hagler's fights (all his career) and never even seen him wobbled. I think he faced some people who hit harder than Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
In fact, the ONLY 'legitimate' knockdown he ever suffered was definitely a slip, against Juan Roldan.
I suspect that it would take someone like a Light-heavyweight nuclear hitter like Bob Foster to even make Hagler blink!
jonesjrmayweather
u wrote
the funny thing about this is hagler beat a roy jones in 1977 by tko..but the roy we're speaking of stops him.
did they fight in sparring
I doubt it Hagler said he never put a pair of boxing gloves on after the Leonard fight plus when Hagler retired Roy Jones was still an amateur so i doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
no there was a fighter named roy jones that fought pro, but not roy jones jr...Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
check him out
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=017113
BLASFEMIE !!
How can you compare Hagler with the likes of Sosa and Malinga ?
Im probably only one of a very few people who think Hagler would win this
could go either way
im sorry but roy beats him, remembr leanord comepted with him and roy would destroy leanord so roy outpoints him
Olympic Gold medallist, 6 weight world champion, one of the all time greats ........ I don't think anyone 'destroys' Leonard (and I am not a fan of his particularly !!Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
if anybody destroys him it'd be roy...leonard was a bit overrated almost like delahoya but nevertheless still great though...Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Roy would not stop Hagler. Hagler was WAY too hard headed, and hit way too hard for Jones to open up with the kind of shots he'd need to put Hagler down.
That being said, as good as Hagler was I'd take Jones by UD.
you must didn't see roy at his prime..easily more power than hagler....and with the speed to hit hagler and make him missQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
virgil hill as well....only compared to him in the fact that they where the unstoppable guys in the ring....Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDestroyer
either roy would stop hagler or it's look like roy vs johnson...120-108.....
I'm a huge RJJ fan but theres no way I can agree with that... Roy had more speed by Hagler definately had more force behind his blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
anyone that know anything about speed/quickness...they both equal power...
in track and field sprinting is power..and in boxing roy jones' hand speed was that of a world class sprinter = power...roy had more than hagler...
X good posts cc
Actually p4p i would say maybe Jones had more power Hagler was never one hit ko artist he used to wear guys down with short chopping punches where as Jones could turn your lights out with one punch aka Hill vs Jones and Hill went 12 rounds with Hearns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
We all know one thing . That is that Hagler had probablly the best chin in the middleweight division for his time. Maybee of all time. I dont know but it would probally go to the cards. RJJ was to quik and Hagler was too tough.
This fight is a good fight. I would go with Hagler on late knockout. but Jones was fast. But it matters which Hagler. The Hagler of 1985 would have been the tough one for Jones. Jones beats most middleweights but Hagler's southpaw would have been a little different for Roy. Good fight though. Hagler would make Jones fight.
Probably the best post I've ever seen you make X, fantastic stuff CC. I would take Hagler by a KO. I saw Hopkins' persistance give Roy problems, there has never been a better come forward fighter in history then Marvin Hagler imo. This is a fantastic matchup at 160.
X - I have never seen you been so serious or write some consise posts before ;)
CC ;D
Hold on just a second there your comparing Hopkins fight to how Hagler fight would go ?? Jones dominated Hopkins like 9 rounds to 3 so i don't see how thats giving Jones problems plus Hopkins wasn't fighting the same type of fight Hagler would as for Hagler he lost to natural Welterweight Leonard yes some may argue with decision or that it wasn't quite a prime Hagler but it wasn't far off and he still lost so in a 12 round bout i think Jones has the tools to beat Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Hills lights were'nt turned out it was a bodyshot were'nt it that stopped himQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Yes but that shows the power to do it Hagler never had power like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
I would go as far as saying Jones never met anyone as good as Hagler though and would Jones keep him off thats the question he had great stamina and just kept coming after you
he had great stimina and kept coming forword. yes but he never ever met any one with roy jones knock out power.
yes hurns could hit. but not like jones.
jones never realy planted his feet for power. and the power was still there. he did it agaisnt ruiz and it showed.
John MugabiQuote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
Thomas Hearns ??
hill said that jones punched harder then hearn.
and u can take that to the bank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ82E...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj6ll...e=user&search=
Hearns was past it plus he never really hit Hill clean Mugabi and Hearns hit harder than Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by artest2000
i think hearns did hit harder but u jus dont see jones punches coming and thats the difrence