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Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2GS289O98U
i already know shavers is known as a xtremely hard puncher, but didnt know frazier, and foreman and even a prime tyson refused to fight him! if this is true then i am disgusted.
he was 6'0 tall, a big 6 footer like rahman he was very thickly built. but wasnt a fat cunt like rahman. only weight 205-220/
i really thought these guys were great champs and would fight anybody. i heard ages ago that dempsey also refused to fight langford, but most likely its not true cos dempsey fought but bigger and tougher guys than langford, and other things. i think sulivan refused to fight some fighters.
is James Toney the only fighter who will fight anybody anywhere anytime regardless of how hard they hit or how good they are. I cant think of another fighter who openly challenged other fighters like toney does.
i cant think of another HW fighter in the history like Toney, with his attitude to fight anybody anywhere anytime! but if foreman avoided shavers in the later years then i would excuse that cos foreman was innit for the money in the later years...mainly. but tyson has no excuses!
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
Shavers was a greatly entertaining heavyweight puncher.. But he was never ducked..He fought great competition..
Norton, holmes on more then one occasion, ali, quarry,Lyle..
He was a great fighter but was never on the same level as most of the top fighters in that great era but gave a number of great fighters hell and he couldnt have been counted out because he was a great puncher..
In short- Not ducked
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Shavers was a greatly entertaining heavyweight puncher.. But he was never ducked..He fought great competition..
Norton, holmes on more then one occasion, ali, quarry,Lyle..
He was a great fighter but was never on the same level as most of the top fighters in that great era but gave a number of great fighters hell and he couldnt have been counted out because he was a great puncher..
In short- Not ducked
Agreed mostly but supposedly Foreman and Frazier ducked him but he did have his chances and never quite made it.
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
he was ducked by foreman, tyson and frazier in the early days
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
he was ducked by foreman, tyson and frazier in the early days
i think foreman, tyson and frazier would beat shavers.
when did shavers retire? just wondering
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its not about who you think will win, its the fact they avoided him. imo tyson, foreman would hve beaten shavers, not sure about frazier tho. he retired in '95'
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Shavers was amazing to me, cause he hung in there with some of the greats of his era, and started Boxing extremely late at 22 compared to most who start training when they are children
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
its not about who you think will win, its the fact they avoided him. imo tyson, foreman would hve beaten shavers, not sure about frazier tho. he retired in '95'
well it is relivant cause tyson foreman and frazier are way better fighters than shavers . so why would they need to duck him? if anything shavers probably ducked tyson and foreman cause they were scary beast's
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Foreman wasn't scared of anyone.
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I think its borderline Ludacrous for Ernie to say that George ducked him when he came back..
So Big george..Who at the time Shavers says he challenged him..Was on his own comebackk.. And actually won the heavyweight title.. Fighting the likes of prime holyfield, moorer and a young briggs..
But ducked shavers..
When in fact Shavers was of the era when he could have fought PRIME George foreman, but he instead claims to have been ducked by the older george foreman.. Who still fought better competition..
Doesnt quite add up.. But still.. They all tend to say these sorts of things in short interviews and features like this.. Doesnt mean its true though
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
Also George wanted to fight Tyson who/is 10 times deadlier than Shavers because he hits harder, and is better boxer along with far more speed.
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speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
he was ducked by foreman, tyson and frazier in the early days
i think foreman, tyson and frazier would beat shavers.
when did shavers retire? just wondering
Hes not retired. theres posters around liverpool city centre advertising him boxing.
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man[/b]
Actually its been documented it was the other way around.... I'm sure someone will dig that info up, it was about 2 months ago on the forum, were tysons handlers wanted no part of a fight with George Foreman.....
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man[/b]
Actually its been documented it was the other way around.... I'm sure someone will dig that info up, it was about 2 months ago on the forum, were tysons handlers wanted no part of a fight with George Foreman.....
tysons handlers maybe but mike tyson feared no man especially a shot 40 year old.
...and ive heard that quite a bit but never seen proof.
think about it heres one eg...., tommy morrison easily beat an old foreman. do you not think pre or post-prison tyson couldnt do the same?
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
Just because one guy doesn't wnat to fight another guy, it doesn't necessarily mean he was scared of him or felt he wouldn't win. When fighting someone, a fighter has to weight out risk and reward. How much risk am I taking, and how much reward will I get if I win. With Earnie, because of his punching power anyone who fought him was taking a huge risk, but because of his known lack of chin/stamina, there wasn't enough reward to beat him to justify taking such a big risk.
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man[/b]
Actually its been documented it was the other way around.... I'm sure someone will dig that info up, it was about 2 months ago on the forum, were tysons handlers wanted no part of a fight with George Foreman.....
tysons handlers maybe but mike tyson feared no man especially a shot 40 year old.
...and ive heard that quite a bit but never seen proof.
think about it heres one eg...., tommy morrison easily beat an old foreman. do you not think pre or post-prison tyson couldnt do the same?
Ok well with your logic, Foreman on the comeback didnt fear Shavers it was his handlers Foreman feared no man... Also styles make fights that formula fighter A beat fighter B so he should be able to beat C is faulty logic and has always been ;)
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man[/b]
Actually its been documented it was the other way around.... I'm sure someone will dig that info up, it was about 2 months ago on the forum, were tysons handlers wanted no part of a fight with George Foreman.....
tysons handlers maybe but mike tyson feared no man especially a shot 40 year old.
...and ive heard that quite a bit but never seen proof.
think about it heres one eg...., tommy morrison easily beat an old foreman. do you not think pre or post-prison tyson couldnt do the same?
Ok well with your logic, Foreman on the comeback didnt fear Shavers it was his handlers Foreman feared no man... Also styles make fights that formula fighter A beat fighter B so he should be able to beat C is faulty logic and has always been ;)
yeah stlyes make fight, and i made a crap example. but you know what i was trying to say, and that is tyson feared no man and prime foreman feared no man. but old comeback foreman feared mike tyson, riddick bowe and lennox lewis and rightly so..........and im not trying to turn this thread into a tyson vs foreman debate but..................................
tyson by KO ;D
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Just because one guy doesn't wnat to fight another guy, it doesn't necessarily mean he was scared of him or felt he wouldn't win. When fighting someone, a fighter has to weight out risk and reward. How much risk am I taking, and how much reward will I get if I win. With Earnie, because of his punching power anyone who fought him was taking a huge risk, but because of his known lack of chin/stamina, there wasn't enough reward to beat him to justify taking such a big risk.
have a cool click mr bean, thats a very sensible and rational post ;)
better than the crap that comes out of my keyboard ;D
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oh and one for mr JT rock.........................a cc it is O0
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
oh and one for mr JT rock.........................a cc it is O0
#55 :coolclick: to you
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
That was a great vid Lionheart! CC!
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
Yeaa...Those caliber fighters like moorer holyfield briggs.. Big george ducked em all ::** :)
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
Yeaa...Those caliber fighters like moorer holyfield briggs.. Big george ducked em all ::** :)
briggs is crap and always has been. foreman picked him cause hes a stationary target that cant box woth a shit. and LHW moorer, dont compare moorer to mike tyson and well yeah holyfield was ok but gave up a lot of weight to george and by the way i loved that fight rd #10 baby
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Briggs is a good fighter the only thing that lets him down is the Asthma 48wins 42KO's WBO champ gave Lennox a good fight till Asthma kicked in and he ran out of gas.
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man[/b]
Actually its been documented it was the other way around.... I'm sure someone will dig that info up, it was about 2 months ago on the forum, were tysons handlers wanted no part of a fight with George Foreman.....
tysons handlers maybe but mike tyson feared no man especially a shot 40 year old.
...and ive heard that quite a bit but never seen proof.
think about it heres one eg...., tommy morrison easily beat an old foreman. do you not think pre or post-prison tyson couldnt do the same?
Morrison fought scared and was on back foot for the entire fight Tyson never fought on back foot and wouldn't fight Foreman same way Morrison did.
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
Yeaa...Those caliber fighters like moorer holyfield briggs.. Big george ducked em all ::** :)
briggs is crap and always has been. foreman picked him cause hes a stationary target that cant box woth a shit. and LHW moorer, dont compare moorer to mike tyson and well yeah holyfield was ok but gave up a lot of weight to george and by the way i loved that fight rd #10 baby
Briggs is not crap..Give it a rest..
No matter how much anyone dislikes a fighter you cannot call any world champion fighter crap..
"Light heavyweight" moorer is a great fighter.. One of the best in the last generation of good heavyweights..
And Cmon.. Holyfield is not 'ok' He is a truely great fighter and one of the best heavyweights of all time..
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Tyson would have KO'd big George ;)
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man[/b]
Actually its been documented it was the other way around.... I'm sure someone will dig that info up, it was about 2 months ago on the forum, were tysons handlers wanted no part of a fight with George Foreman.....
tysons handlers maybe but mike tyson feared no man especially a shot 40 year old.
...and ive heard that quite a bit but never seen proof.
think about it heres one eg...., tommy morrison easily beat an old foreman. do you not think pre or post-prison tyson couldnt do the same?
Morrison fought scared and was on back foot for the entire fight Tyson never fought on back foot and wouldn't fight Foreman same way Morrison did.
i take it ur going with foreman ko 8)
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Tyson would have KO'd big George ;)
Tyson would ko anyone in your eyes :)
Big George especially older model had granite chin and never touched the canvas in his older career and Tyson that just got out of prison certainly wouldn't do it.
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Tyson would have KO'd big George ;)
Tyson would ko anyone in your eyes :)
Big George especially older model had granite chin and never touched the canvas in his older career and Tyson that just got out of prison certainly wouldn't do it.
Foreman would have gone to sleep just like Holmes did Holyfield shook him a good few times Tyson hit way harder than Holyfield Tyson don't shake you he KO's you so yes ICE Tyson by KO
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
Yeaa...Those caliber fighters like moorer holyfield briggs.. Big george ducked em all ::** :)
briggs is crap and always has been. foreman picked him cause hes a stationary target that cant box woth a shit. and LHW moorer, dont compare moorer to mike tyson and well yeah holyfield was ok but gave up a lot of weight to george and by the way i loved that fight rd #10 baby
Briggs is not crap..Give it a rest..
No matter how much anyone dislikes a fighter you cannot call any world champion fighter crap..
"Light heavyweight" moorer is a great fighter.. One of the best in the last generation of good heavyweights..
And Cmon.. Holyfield is not 'ok' He is a truely great fighter and one of the best heavyweights of all time..
settle grettle, moorer is a great LHW but it would be tyson spinks all over again....foreman was elated that he could fight a LHW morrer for the title. and holyfield is a great cruiser he was not a top #10 HW......
and briggs is crap and i have nothing against briggs i just think hes ponderous with very limited skills...
oh and im not knocking foreman cause i think he comeback plan was geneous, the way he carfully selected his oponents. but was impressive non the less
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Re: Shavers was ducked by great fighters cos of his freakish punching power!!
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Tyson would have KO'd big George ;)
Tyson would ko anyone in your eyes :)
Big George especially older model had granite chin and never touched the canvas in his older career and Tyson that just got out of prison certainly wouldn't do it.
Foreman would have gone to sleep just like Holmes did Holyfield shook him a good few times Tyson hit way harder than Holyfield Tyson don't shake you he KO's you so yes ICE Tyson by KO
The Tyson that got out of prison wouldn't ko Big George and Holyfield used footwork against Foreman Tyson just used to come straight forward and he got caught by Ruddocks wild punches so George could do the same and he hit harder than Ruddock :)
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
Yeaa...Those caliber fighters like moorer holyfield briggs.. Big george ducked em all ::** :)
briggs is crap and always has been. foreman picked him cause hes a stationary target that cant box woth a shit. and LHW moorer, dont compare moorer to mike tyson and well yeah holyfield was ok but gave up a lot of weight to george and by the way i loved that fight rd #10 baby
Briggs is not crap..Give it a rest..
No matter how much anyone dislikes a fighter you cannot call any world champion fighter crap..
"Light heavyweight" moorer is a great fighter.. One of the best in the last generation of good heavyweights..
And Cmon.. Holyfield is not 'ok' He is a truely great fighter and one of the best heavyweights of all time..
settle grettle, moorer is a great LHW but it would be tyson spinks all over again....foreman was elated that he could fight a LHW morrer for the title. and holyfield is a great cruiser he was not a top #10 HW......
and briggs is crap and i have nothing against briggs i just think hes ponderous with very limited skills...
oh and im not knocking foreman cause i think he comeback plan was geneous, the way he carfully selected his oponents. but was impressive non the less
Please tell me you have boxed a lick before dissing briggs like you do..
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
speaking of duckers, to my recolection dempsey never fought one single black man?
i know sullivan avioded black fighters like the plague and im pretty sure dempsey did to!
and i honestly beleive that the comeback foreman ducked mike tyson(for obvious resons).
you see the calabre fighters foreman hand picked on his comeback. he didnt want no part of tyson.
tyson was in his early 20's foreman in his early 40's, mike would have killed the old man
Yeaa...Those caliber fighters like moorer holyfield briggs.. Big george ducked em all ::** :)
briggs is crap and always has been. foreman picked him cause hes a stationary target that cant box woth a shit. and LHW moorer, dont compare moorer to mike tyson and well yeah holyfield was ok but gave up a lot of weight to george and by the way i loved that fight rd #10 baby
Briggs is not crap..Give it a rest..
No matter how much anyone dislikes a fighter you cannot call any world champion fighter crap..
"Light heavyweight" moorer is a great fighter.. One of the best in the last generation of good heavyweights..
And Cmon.. Holyfield is not 'ok' He is a truely great fighter and one of the best heavyweights of all time..
settle grettle, moorer is a great LHW but it would be tyson spinks all over again....foreman was elated that he could fight a LHW morrer for the title. and holyfield is a great cruiser he was not a top #10 HW......
and briggs is crap and i have nothing against briggs i just think hes ponderous with very limited skills...
oh and im not knocking foreman cause i think he comeback plan was geneous, the way he carfully selected his oponents. but was impressive non the less
Please tell me you have boxed a lick before dissing briggs like you do..
im the real mike tyson
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Actually Troy i am the real Mike Tyson ;) 8)
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please educate me tito_BHB. what has briggs done to make you think hes not crap?
and how dare he call himself a HW word champion :( beating dicky ryan doesnt do it for me, sorry!
heres why briggs is crap ok.....hes never beaten anyone good and im mean no one and he holds losses to lewis by ko, darrol wilson by ko, jameel mccline, some crap guy named fields that no ones ever heard off for good reason.
uhh what else...oh yeah he got a gift against a senior citizen and could even beat botha.
im sorry but ive never thought briggs is good and nor will i ever! he will be totally forgotten in the not to distant future.
but have a cc anywayz mate, just so you know im just debating and im not getting emotional :-*
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Actually Troy i am the real Mike Tyson ;) 8)
no u phony, i am the real
MIKE TYSON
;D ;D ;D ;D
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No i am the real Mike Tyson ;D
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
No i am the real Mike Tyson ;D
WELL IM TELLIN SADDO ;D