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Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?
Been thinking If this fight with kessler comes off, and in his back yard.. will Joe go down as the best brit from the modern game?
Joe fights and beats kessler then he would of beaten everyone of worth in his weight who was willing to stepup, the only name at SMw he didn't fight would of been ottke but lets face it otkke was never ever going to take that fight... he made that crystal clear...
Whislt people have said about joe not wanting to fight away from home, or being protected once kessler is done with i think alot of people will change their outlook... he would of beaten every one of worth at SMW, kessler, lacy, brewer veit eubank, reid. Sure we may say some of them were past thier best, overrated lucky win... but the fact is after kessler there is no one we could consider to have been a threat, no one even the biggest hater can say Joe ducked, he would of beaten every single one of them...
A very young joe who had to fight with one hand for 6 rounds agasint reid was the only shaky time in his career other than that the other 42 fights have been pretty much agasint the best available or whomever was willing to stepp up... and he has beaten them all without any real worry...
Every other british fighter form the modern game has had some shaky wins when they were in thier prime, pickedup losses, gots parked out more than once...
Lennox lewis: Sparked out twice but less than great fighters...
Hatton: was damn lucky to get through collazo and apart from a good win v Tszyu hs beaten nobody, and a win over an unimpressive castillo of late would do little to further his name IMO...
Eubank, Benn, Collions, and Watson: all cracking fighters but none were able to domanate - apart form benn none realy calle dout some of the greats from their devision either - you can say what you want about joe, but he did sign to fight hopkins in the us, he tried damn hard to get in the ring with RJJ and i think most neutrals would agree he beats the fab four of british boxing prime for prime as well.
Right now i consider lewis the best of the modern game with joe just coming in at second... but win losse or draw v kessler he goes top.... He will be close to 36 by the time of the fight, his hands are shot to hit, he power is signifigantly diminished,his reflexes, timeing and speed are not what they were either, thats why i don't consider this a win only to secure the spot type of fight...
For anyone who, is wondering why i speak of the modern game and not of all time its simply because i consider jmmy wilde and Jim dricoll to be two of the greatest brits ever.. but i have to hard a time seperating the modern fighters from the pasts, why i rather rank them from two generations...
Anther saturday night hitting the rum on saddos;)
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
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Nice posting, Preme :coolclick:
I think Calzaghe is a great fighter. His only problem is having other great fighters to feed off. Jones and Hopkins were never going to fight him. He beat Lacy who was hyped to the hills and is now discredited by many. My issue is if he makes Kessler look bad. Will people say Calzaghe is great or will they say Kessler is overrated? I think he will beat Kessler handily. And of course, I will think he is a great fighter. He would have beaten the man to beat once again.
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He will be in best of British top 10 i don't think number 1 though that spot has to go Lennox Lewis probably not even number 2
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Nice posting, Preme :coolclick:
I think Calzaghe is a great fighter. His only problem is having other great fighters to feed off. Jones and Hopkins were never going to fight him. He beat Lacy who was hyped to the hills and is now discredited by many. My issue is if he makes Kessler look bad. Will people say Calzaghe is great or will they say Kessler is overrated? I think he will beat Kessler handily. And of course, I will think he is a great fighter. He would have beaten the man to beat once again.
CC back mate
Whislt i have slated hopkins for not figting him, as of late i have realised why..
Lots talk about how hopkins or joned would beat him with ease lol.. but they both, i don't think ducked him, but seen him as an unnessesery risk.. why else why they not fight him? there was alot of money on offer, but if they win there would be little acknolage meant from thier fans, if they lost they would be in shit street... that says alot for joe as to why they didn't fight him.
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I'm still not sure about Calzaghe... Lacy aside, he does not have that many good scalps on his record (not all his own fault I concede). Many of his defences have been against people I had to consult Boxrec on just to find out who they were. Its a pity some of the bigger fights never came off for him or we may well be singing his praises as the greatest Brit. Assuming we are talking post WWII I would look at somebody like Ken Buchanan as being the best British fighter. If we are looking at post WWI I would say Calzaghe just about gets into the top 5 Welsh boxers, behind Jimmy Wilde, Jim Driscoll, Fred Welsh and Howard Winstone.
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I'm still not sure about Calzaghe... Lacy aside, he does not have that many good scalps on his record (not all his own fault I concede). Many of his defences have been against people I had to consult Boxrec on just to find out who they were. Its a pity some of the bigger fights never came off for him or we may well be singing his praises as the greatest Brit. Assuming we are talking post WWII I would look at somebody like Ken Buchanan as being the best British fighter. If we are looking at post WWI I would say Calzaghe just about gets into the top 5 Welsh boxers, behind Jimmy Wilde, Jim Driscoll, Fred Welsh and Howard Winstone.
as in said in ym first post i consider jimmy and jim two of the best of the birts, its just i can not compare fighter of such a large difference in time... why i posed the question of the modern game...
I know from your other posts you know alot more bout guys like wilde and driscoll... they done things in boxing that were amazing, but so long ago its ahrd to compare to the modern game..
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I'm still not sure about Calzaghe... Lacy aside, he does not have that many good scalps on his record (not all his own fault I concede). Many of his defences have been against people I had to consult Boxrec on just to find out who they were. Its a pity some of the bigger fights never came off for him or we may well be singing his praises as the greatest Brit. Assuming we are talking post WWII I would look at somebody like Ken Buchanan as being the best British fighter. If we are looking at post WWI I would say Calzaghe just about gets into the top 5 Welsh boxers, behind Jimmy Wilde, Jim Driscoll, Fred Welsh and Howard Winstone.
as in said in ym first post i consider jimmy and jim two of the best of the birts, its just i can not compare fighter of such a large difference in time... why i posed the question of the modern game...
I know from your other posts you know alot more bout guys like wilde and driscoll... they done things in boxing that were amazing, but so long ago its ahrd to compare to the modern game..
I totally agree mate. But thats part of the fun of the sport (and certainly of forums like this one). Everyone has an opinion, and nobody has the right say another's opinion is right or wrong - just different. Good subject and great post. By the way... how do I award CC's to people? I'll award one to the first person to tell me!!! (Bribery!!)
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I'm still not sure about Calzaghe... Lacy aside, he does not have that many good scalps on his record (not all his own fault I concede). Many of his defences have been against people I had to consult Boxrec on just to find out who they were. Its a pity some of the bigger fights never came off for him or we may well be singing his praises as the greatest Brit. Assuming we are talking post WWII I would look at somebody like Ken Buchanan as being the best British fighter. If we are looking at post WWI I would say Calzaghe just about gets into the top 5 Welsh boxers, behind Jimmy Wilde, Jim Driscoll, Fred Welsh and Howard Winstone.
as in said in ym first post i consider jimmy and jim two of the best of the birts, its just i can not compare fighter of such a large difference in time... why i posed the question of the modern game...
I know from your other posts you know alot more bout guys like wilde and driscoll... they done things in boxing that were amazing, but so long ago its ahrd to compare to the modern game..
I totally agree mate. But thats part of the fun of the sport (and certainly of forums like this one). Everyone has an opinion, and nobody has the right say another's opinion is right or wrong - just different. Good subject and great post. By the way... how do I award CC's to people? I'll award one to the first person to tell me!!! (Bribery!!)
when you make your 100th post you get to see a [cool] and [sad] link under you cool/sad click ratings...
70 more ot go matey
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sorry, the cool.sad link to CC/sc people will be undert thier ratings not yours;)
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From the World view, I think Lennox gets the nod. Yes he lost twice, but he avenged those losses. Plus he did beat two of the most famous heavies in history. That speaks loudly, not to mention the fact that Lewis has fought in more places. IMO, Lewis is the better P4P fighter too.
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Lennox Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Joe Calzaghe if he beats Kessler
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
I may get murdered with sad-clicks, but I totally agree that if the Klitchko fight would have continued, Lewis would have won. Vitali's heart was taken, after Lewis walked through his biggest shots, and started landing bombs, that were cutting him with every shot. People will argue, and Vitali was ahead at the time of stoppage. But, if you go back and look at Vitali's body language and facial expressions, he was happy the fight was stopped. He was happy with his performance, but I don't think he wanted anymore.
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And that wasn't even close to a prime Lewis. You don't have to worry about a sad click from me because I just gave you a CC.
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:coolclick: Have one right back. Was it me, or did Lewis remind you of Damon Wayans in the "Great White Hype". I mean, he looked horrably out of shape compared to when he had just fought Tyson. His belly was ridiculous. ;D, and he was sucking air in less than a minute. That was worse than the first Rahman fight.
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
I agree for the most part. One thing is I didn't have a problem with the McCall stoppage.
"IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. "
The only thing here is the speed part. Lewis was faster than he gets credit for but he doesn't seem as fast as Calzaghe. And I'm not just talking about those slap combos Calzaghe throws, just seems quicker in general to me.
But agree for the most part, there's no way anyone could compare the two fighter's accomplishments.
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
I agree for the most part. One thing is I didn't have a problem with the McCall stoppage.
"IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. "
The only thing here is the speed part. Lewis was faster than he gets credit for but he doesn't seem as fast as Calzaghe. And I'm not just talking about those slap combos Calzaghe throws, just seems quicker in general to me.
But agree for the most part, there's no way anyone could compare the two fighter's accomplishments.
:coolclick: OumaFan. Lennox did have good speed for a heavy, but I think alot of it was that he had excellent timing.
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
Don't take this as a shot its a question more than anything..
How much of joe have you seen?
you could seen a great deal and if so fair enough your opinon is worth as much a sine...
But i have followedboth with great interest from amature to early fights.. its just the early years of joe were hard to see for a british fan, let alone an american...
His hand problems have are one of the mian reasons he 'slaps' before it was a major problems joe picked his punches amazingly... he excuted them with great persicion and power... yes lenox avenged his losse, but joe never slipped up to have ay to avanger...
i do consider mitchel a big hitter in the SMW rank, joe always had the ego to prove somethign in the ring and ignore sometimes the threat of a big hitter, but he did recover whislt lewis didn't...
I would say p4p terms brewer hit calzaghe with bigger punches than lewis fell too, calzaghe got rhough them whislt lewis didn't, chin always goes to joe imo...
again before the hand problems kicked in (you might dissagree if you followed him from the early years taeth) but when he was able to sparr the amount a boxers wants to, he was more accurate and his timing was better then lennox's...
as always debates like ths are very subjective and i don't want to comes across as what i say is gospall... honest truth,i think lewis would of given every single great heavy peopel consider a sdhit load of problems, from louis, ali to dempsy he had the skill... i just think joe should be ranked higher... maybe its me but i don't just ranked fighter for thier 'rpimes' fights... its a career that defnies a fighter, not one fight... whislt joe has always said the better the fight the better i perform.. he has never slipped, he may of lacked, but has always come out on top, lewis has slipped,lost and just got by... and calzaghe take sout kessler hands down he taken on everyone of worth in his weight riened supreme for over 10 years and always come up with the goods
to unknown i CC you to coz i agree with what you say word for word...it was stopped at the right time, had it gone on vitali would have had to use the money he made form that fight to get his face fixed!
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
Don't take this as a shot its a question more than anything..
How much of joe have you seen?
you could seen a great deal and if so fair enough your opinon is worth as much a sine...
But i have followedboth with great interest from amature to early fights.. its just the early years of joe were hard to see for a british fan, let alone an american...
His hand problems have are one of the mian reasons he 'slaps' before it was a major problems joe picked his punches amazingly... he excuted them with great persicion and power... yes lenox avenged his losse, but joe never slipped up to have ay to avanger...
i do consider mitchel a big hitter in the SMW rank, joe always had the ego to prove somethign in the ring and ignore sometimes the threat of a big hitter, but he did recover whislt lewis didn't...
I would say p4p terms brewer hit calzaghe with bigger punches than lewis fell too, calzaghe got rhough them whislt lewis didn't, chin always goes to joe imo...
again before the hand problems kicked in (you might dissagree if you followed him from the early years taeth) but when he was able to sparr the amount a boxers wants to, he was more accurate and his timing was better then lennox's...
as always debates like ths are very subjective and i don't want to comes across as what i say is gospall... honest truth,i think lewis would of given every single great heavy peopel consider a sdhit load of problems, from louis, ali to dempsy he had the skill... i just think joe should be ranked higher... maybe its me but i don't just ranked fighter for thier 'rpimes' fights... its a career that defnies a fighter, not one fight... whislt joe has always said the better the fight the better i perform.. he has never slipped, he may of lacked, but has always come out on top, lewis has slipped,lost and just got by... and calzaghe take sout kessler hands down he taken on everyone of worth in his weight riened supreme for over 10 years and always come up with the goods
to unknown i CC you to coz i agree with what you say word for word...it was stopped at the right time, had it gone on vitali would have had to use the money he made form that fight to get his face fixed!
:coolclick: Back at ya. I have been watching Joe, long before the Lacy fight. He's had alot of fights on Showtime. IMO, he is one of the best, but hasn't accomplished what Lewis did. I have to disagree with the timing, Lewis had better timing, especially in his later years. But, I do give Joe his props, because he is relentless, and mixes it up anytime. And to be able to keep up his output, even if he does seem to slap sometimes, is incredible for his weight. He obviously trains harder than Lewis, and the only other fighter that may work harder in the gym is Floyd.
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When people say about Vitali vs Lewis i remember Vitali hanging on for dear life at end of the 6th not Lewis and McCall stoppage was right he staggered into the refs arms but fair play he revenged it but McCall was having breakdown and really had no buisness being in the ring with anyone at that time still Lewis gets my vote as number 1 Brit.
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
He did fight alot of big names that was true, how many of them were in thier primes though was another question, he did call them all out another truth...
Most success?
Lewis got sparked twice agasint guys no realy great should even losse to, let alone get kayd by... there were other fights where he looked bad in and his power got him through..
I think lewis is great, got alot of respect for his skills. Personally though, i fell calzaghe has a better all round game, his speed, power, accuracy, chin, footwork, stamina and varity of punches make him the superier boxer...
People forget, the calzaghe fo the last 7 or so years has barly even sparred, whislt most boxers sparr a hell of alot, due to hand problems joe hasn;t been able to do that yet he still fights at the highest of levels...
First of all the McCall ko wasn't at true knock out, and the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Second if you've seen any of McCall he was a baddass when he wanted to be. Lennox beat Tua, Morrison, Mercer, Golota(meh), Destroyed Ruddock, beat Weaver, Mason, Biggs, Tucker, Bruno, Supposedly good Mavrovic, Destroyed Grant's career, Destroyed Rahman in the rematch. Beat Holyfield twice awhile before Holyfield became a true shell. Bowe was scared to fight him. IMO Lennox has/had better power, speed, accuracy than Calzaghe ever had. Chin is debatable because he would way better competition and Calzaghe was put down by Mitchell. Stamina goes to Calzaghe for sure. Regardless Lewis lost both of his fights because he didn't condition very hard for either one even when he was old and overweight he was turning the tide on Klitschko and would have won the fight had it continued or not. He is by far a superior boxer than Calzaghe in accomplishments and in p4p performance.
Don't take this as a shot its a question more than anything..
How much of joe have you seen?
you could seen a great deal and if so fair enough your opinon is worth as much a sine...
But i have followedboth with great interest from amature to early fights.. its just the early years of joe were hard to see for a british fan, let alone an american...
His hand problems have are one of the mian reasons he 'slaps' before it was a major problems joe picked his punches amazingly... he excuted them with great persicion and power... yes lenox avenged his losse, but joe never slipped up to have ay to avanger...
i do consider mitchel a big hitter in the SMW rank, joe always had the ego to prove somethign in the ring and ignore sometimes the threat of a big hitter, but he did recover whislt lewis didn't...
I would say p4p terms brewer hit calzaghe with bigger punches than lewis fell too, calzaghe got rhough them whislt lewis didn't, chin always goes to joe imo...
again before the hand problems kicked in (you might dissagree if you followed him from the early years taeth) but when he was able to sparr the amount a boxers wants to, he was more accurate and his timing was better then lennox's...
as always debates like ths are very subjective and i don't want to comes across as what i say is gospall... honest truth,i think lewis would of given every single great heavy peopel consider a sdhit load of problems, from louis, ali to dempsy he had the skill... i just think joe should be ranked higher... maybe its me but i don't just ranked fighter for thier 'rpimes' fights... its a career that defnies a fighter, not one fight... whislt joe has always said the better the fight the better i perform.. he has never slipped, he may of lacked, but has always come out on top, lewis has slipped,lost and just got by... and calzaghe take sout kessler hands down he taken on everyone of worth in his weight riened supreme for over 10 years and always come up with the goods
to unknown i CC you to coz i agree with what you say word for word...it was stopped at the right time, had it gone on vitali would have had to use the money he made form that fight to get his face fixed!
:coolclick: Back at ya. I have been watching Joe, long before the Lacy fight. He's had alot of fights on Showtime. IMO, he is one of the best, but hasn't accomplished what Lewis did. I have to disagree with the timing, Lewis had better timing, especially in his later years. But, I do give Joe his props, because he is relentless, and mixes it up anytime. And to be able to keep up his output, even if he does seem to slap sometimes, is incredible for his weight. He obviously trains harder than Lewis, and the only other fighter that may work harder in the gym is Floyd.
his training is 90% down to his father joe is pretty lazy and his in ring performances will tell you that...
I know people will accuse im for being a fighter who is content to fight bums at his home, but you watch him fight sum1 who isn't worth jack and he does the minimal to get through it coz he is that furstrated of not fighting a top guy, he fights sum1 who is suppose to beat him (lacy (some will laugh but veit WAs meant ot be fucking good) he wipes the floor with them) its his dad who drags his ass off the sofa to run, train, work out)
but going back to amature years, erly when he had few ahnd probs hiw timing and acuracy was almost perfect... not sure how amny know, but a top doctoer told him before he even turned pro that "you will never be able to ruen pro because you hit so har for your size/weight your hands wont hold up" thatbrings me to my early point about him hardly sparring in the last 7 or so years... even before that its was the bare minimal... whislt every other top boxer was getting a shit load of sparring rounds int o keep their in ring skills, timing and puncihg the best it could be, yet joe was doing a fantasic job without that...
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Re: Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?
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sorry, the cool.sad link to CC/sc people will be undert thier ratings not yours;)
Thanks Preme... I'll just have to keep plugging away - by the way I owe you one!
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Re: Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?
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No its Lennox Lewis all the way. Best competition of any of them, the most talent, and the most success.
Yes you cant compare wot Lennox did to Joe "fightin crap division , and crap fighters " calzaghe:)
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Re: Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?
Good post this. I would cc but can not at the mo.
This is a close call and you can easy make arguments for the pair of them. Based on what they have done thus far I would put Lewis just ahead. I am basing this on competition faced etc. I think Lewis faced the better opposition in terms of name and beat everybody he faced. The KO losses were bad but he was not KO'd or troubled by the bigger hitters. He was out of shape against Vitali and I would argue he was the biggest hitter, maybe McCall and Briggs apart, that he faced and he stood up to them.
When Calzaghe beats Kessler ;) and then beats Taylor (if they meet) then my view might change but either way we should enjoy his fights whilst he is here as he probably only has a few left.
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Re: Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?
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Re: Calzaghe to go down as the best brit of the modern game?
I fear that many will say that Kessler was overated if Calzaghe beats him. In fact, this gives me an idea for a poll once there is concrete confirmation of this fight. Actually, I might do it now in any case.