What if VARGAS fought OSCAR BEFORE he fought TITO??????
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What if VARGAS fought OSCAR BEFORE he fought TITO??????
Depends. Oscar said(before the Tito-Vargas fight), that he would never fight Vargas. I think he was scared. IMO, probably the same outcome. Vargas wouldn't have outboxed him, and would have came for the kill. Oscar don't hit as hard as Tito, but he still cracks, and would have exposed Vargas with his left hook. But, that's hind sight, and at the time, I might have bet on Vargas, who knows.
Same result!
interesting!
but alot of people including myself feel it was TITO who ruined vargas and vargas had never been the same and on the decline ever since.
so it would be interesting to see if he never fought TITO how would he turn out today? if it would have been a major factor on fighting oscar etc. :-\
I think If Vargas had stayed down in the 1st round he'd still be going strong today !Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
He put in one of the most underated performences of all time with concussion for 10 rounds against a fighter white hot at the time !
something went out of El feroz after that something physically , it was a career ending beating he took at the beginning and then end .
FV was massivly underated .
EXACTLY! thats the point of me posting this thread.......... think about it folks, really what FV would be today? had he not gone that exact route?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
He would have lost. ODLH is too fast, too strong and too good to be beat by Vargas...at anytime...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
Tito ruined vargas..he was through after that savage beating...Oscar would have probably won, but not as easily...the vargas that fought quartey probably would have beaten oscar...
I don't see how he could of done any better he would of never have beaten top boys Oscar Mosley ect.
Frankly its plain to see that oscar wouldnt have done the same as tito did to vargas..
I thnk it would have gone to the scorecards with oscar winning comfortably enough..
Fernando has the strangest of legacies..You knew he was greatt..He was just destroyed early in a gutsy performance and one of the most entertaining fights ever..
I know its hard to say based on we never saw vargas the same after tito.. But does anyone think he could have had a different style to him..More snap to his performances if he had not fought tito
I mean i had him up when the fight was stopped first time against mosely that was just bad luck in that fight but maybe he would have fought different fighters and had different challenges had he not been destroyed so early..?
haha damn u mine as well add too cute, too handsome, too sexy as well while your at it lol ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
Vargas lost to Oscar on steroids!!! do we need to have this thread
naw but seriously bro alot of peeps claim tito ruined FV. so if tito never did indeed ruin FV how would FV's career have panned out differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by chamiley
its still pretty interesting IMO
My thought is that Vargas recovered physically, but never recovered 100% mentally after the brutal punishment he received from Tito. I remember (I made a post recently and mentioned this) Vargas come back after Trinidad's fight against Wilfredo Rivera. Rivera had his greatest moment against the Sweetpea in their first fight at 147 where Rivera seemed to be robed from that victory. This required an immediate rematch, but this time Pernell dominated clearly. After that Rivera lost with De La Hoya and Mosley both by TKO and started the declining of his career. Rivera did not have a KO punch and was declining, but hurt and dropped Vargas to the canvas practically KO. But, Rivera looked more surprised than Vargas not trowing punches, and he probably needed just 1 punch considering how badly Vargas was hurt. This was a clear indication that Vargas was not the same at that time. And, I feel this had some influence on how his fight with De La Hoya ended. However, I recognize De La Hoya is a great fighter, and the end could be the same, or most likely by decision instead of KO. We will not a definite answer to this question.
don't forget too rich!!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
It's an interesting thought...but Vargas vs Oscar, IWO, would always end the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
It's not just the case of the physical beatdown from Tito that caused him to lose to Oscar...but also his poise.
Let me elaborate...Vargas was never mentally there to compete with someone like Oscar. Oscar could out think Vargas & that brought him to an end. Oscar pretty much had Vargas beaten mentally before he climbed through the ropes...or actually Vargas had himself beaten.
Oscar was just there to close the gap.
Well put it this way didn't Vargas cheat with steroids against Oscar ?? and still couldn't beat Oscar question answered :)
I think Oscar would have used his jab to bust up Vargas and stop him in the 9th or 10th round. Oscar had a better jab than Tito and he would have busted up Vargas in a situation where it went to a brawl with Tito.
Might be just me. But do you think Vargas was fighting top opposition far too early in his career? I think he could have been a lot better but was rushed into fights with guys who were far more experienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
EXACTLY! bro! my point! have a COOL CLICK 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
actually in 24hrs bro KARMA ;D
Karma too mate but CC back at ya in 24 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
I have always said that he was rushed. I thought that he looked good against Quartey...but clueless against others...especially after seeing how befuddled he looked at times in against Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
WOW, I talked to so many people who disagreed now I have 2 people who agree. CC to you too Wacko.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Karma again man, I CC the same people everyday.....