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Im not talking when tyson first won the HW tittle, but say just before Tyson fought Lewis who would of won. I heard RJJ calling out Tyson around that time saying he wanted it to be his last fight who wins??? Could RJJ take his power, could Tyson hndle his footwork and speed?
Jones gets crushed.... He dosent have enough firepower to deter an Iron Chinned Tyson.
Tyson would still KO Jones if the ight was tomorrow - Dodgy chin versus awesome power.
Jones would end up with his head weaved into the canvas probably in 1st round ;)
jones can't deal with tysons power. tyson ko early rounds
Jones fought Ruiz for good reasons....selective purposes only...
The Tyson that fought Lewis would have mauled him still. No way to avoid Tysons power for 12 rounds. Lewis had all the advantages over Tyson. Jones wouldnt have had such benefits in weight, power, and effective jab work....
One thing you fail to realise is that by that point Tyson loaded up on all of his shots still looking for a one punch knockout and didn't have the craft nor the style he had in his youth. Jones would make him miss and make him pay. If Francois botha can avoid Tyson's power for as long as he did several years earlier, I don't see how Roy Jones couldn't.
The difference in size was too much. Tyson would be able to impose himself on Jones. Jones could be evasive, yes, but Tyson is not Ruiz. Tyson is throwing bombs and once one of those is landing....a launchpad would be neccessary....Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Hmm dont get me wrong RJ would have to be on his toes for 12 rounds but still think there was a chance he could avoid a big one and pull off a points win, on the other hand RJ gets crushed inside four rounds...
Yeah but Tyson isn't gonna be able to chase Jones for 6 rounds and still be as intense.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
There is no doubt in my mind that Roy Jones at Heavyweight could beat Tyson. ESPECIALLY the Mike Tyson whom you're talking about him fighting. It's not all about size. I remember people saying Spinks was too small and that Jermain would impose his will on him and it didn't happen. Jones is faster and has better boxing skill and speed kills size and Jones knew how to use it and also had a very developed jab at Heavyweight. If they ever fought, Jones would have won. Especially against a Mike Tyson who was swinging wild, open to get countered by anything and completely avoided defense, which was the Mike Tyson that would have been fighting Roy.
I respect your opinion but choose to disagree. Spinks and Taylor is the wrong comparison because Taylor doesnt have proven power nor seemingly any aggression in recent fights. Plus the difference is only a weight division of only a few pounds. Jones at heavyweight fought John Ruiz and Ruiz only. If he felt comfortable he would have stayed for a few high pay days. Tyson is nothing like John Ruiz. Tyson flattened Ettiene in a round. Even an aged Tyson did have power and could connect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Jones, especially with hindsight could not have dealt with that....he was wise and chose his opponent well...
No disrespect to anyone, but the only thing tyson could impose himself on at the time of the lewis fight was hookers and call girls. Tyson was long past his best and was so one dimensional at that point, it was a shame to even see him in the ring like that. Tyson never encountered speed like that in his life. He would be beyond confused. To say tyson flattened etienne doesnt really make for a compelling arguement. Etienne was a better criminal than he was a boxer... even then .. the way he fought in the ring was well... criminal. Tyson flattened a guy who got knocked down like 8(?) times by fres oquendo.
Jones called out tyson for a reason. He new tyson could never catch him and he knew he could blister tyson with shots all day and have enough time to pack a bag and leave before Tyson could chuck one of those bombs in return. Worse comes to worse, he'd clinch him and hang on for dear life like holyfield did till the ref separated em. At which point he would resume picking at mike from the outside and pile on the punishment. Eventually mike would give up and not leave his corner, or the fight would be stopped or Mike would get Dq'd for fouling jones into "bolivian".
Jones would win if it was the badly faded Tyson remember Jones still had same sort of speed and power.
Now your just been daft ICEQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Uhh Danny Williams beat Tyson and Kevin Mcbride beat Tyson so would Jones there was no real difference between Tyson that fought Lewis or Williams he could only fight good for about 2 rounds and that was it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
the tyson that fought lewis would be beaten by roy jones..but not if roy tried to stand and deliever like he did in the first round against ruiz because had tyson landed like ruiz then night is over..but then roy hadn't been that motivated and sharp in a long time and i think he couldve pulled it off
:o Lennox hurt Mike after he landed those uppercuts in the first few rounds. I don't see Roy hurting Mike to get his respect or slow him down. Maybe make him miss yea. If he stand like what Lennox did the first round against Mike... Roy'll get flattened worst than what Tarver and Johnson did.
Tyson's knee injury played a big part in Williams defeat
i think tyson would have been motivated seeing as how he would have been fighting a naturally smaller man he would have had a little more adrenalin that night....and probably would have overwhelmed roy and all the tyson fans would have replied with a resounding "he's back"
even though he would have just beaten a smaller man....
But he wouldn't stand like Lewis did he is much quicker than Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shina
As much as it pains me to say
Tyson would murder him
Ruiz was picked for a very specific reason,he couldnt knock my dead grandma out
Ruiz is quite a tough nights work though he isn't that easy to beat and Tyson got knocked out by Mcbride and Williams and Mcbride couldn't knockout out my puppy to be honest that guy sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
The only "Top" heavy weight RRJ would beat at that time was probably John Ruiz and that is the path he took, the right one for him to achieve what he wanted. I think Tyson still would KO RJJ.
The Tyson that fought Lewis Williams and Mcbride wouldn't beat Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
roy would've beaten....rahman,ruiz,holyfield,byrd,maskaeve,john son but it was ruiz that had a belt he could take so he fought him....and lennox was out of the questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican Punch
I'm not sure that RJJ could beat all of them since the weight is an important variable against Jones and I'm not questioning Jones skills. But, you have great point, I had to clarify in my post that I was refering to Heavy Weight Champions at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
McBride did'nt knock out Tyson Tyson packed in no way does Jones beat Tyson he was KO'd by Tarver and Johnson for gods sakeQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
That was when he moved down and he was past it then Jones was pretty good at hw and would of beat a badly fading Tyson i don't care how Mcbride won he still won and Jones would have aswell Tyson could only fight good for 2 rounds at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Jones had 1 fight at heavyweight against one of the worst champs ever and now he can mix it with Tyson don't make me laugh even an ageing Tyson after Lewis fight would have caught up with Roy and knocked him cold
Jones still carried his skills into hw and what was so special about the Tyson after 2000s ?? he was badly fading and could only fight good for 2 rounds like i said and he would never catch up to Roy he was way too fast for Tyson at that point in there careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Your living in a dream world sunshine 1 just 1 good punch off Tyson and it would be lights out you can't tell me an old pro like Tyson can't catch up with Roy Ruiz got close a few times
And he said before Tyson fought Lewis
Tyson would give up after the 6th round anyway probably he would get too frustrated and probably get dq i could say your living in dream world aswell its just my opinion like yours is aswell no one truly knows what would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
If Tyson caught him early he would devastate RJJ. Even if Jones put up his guard and went in close, toe-toe, he would get killed. Around that time, Tyson wanted to Kill someone, not box. He would of taken heaps and absolutely smashed RJJ.
Only way I can see RJJ winning was if he was constantly dancing around, ducking and bobbing, only taking shots he KNEW he could land. Ending the fight on points.
Otherwise, Tyson wins by K.O by the fourth round.
Reckon RJJ is hektic! But he wouldn't have stood Tyson's power.
i think tyson would come out extremly agressive for the first 2 rds against a much smaller RJJ. and i dont like roys chances of making it out of the first rd to be honest with u.
i remember people were talking about the possiblity of this fight after roy beat ruiz.
i think tyson jumps on roy and KOs him.
As i said he said before the Lewis fight now Tyson went 7 rounds with Nielson now i know Neilson was no world beater but he still did 7 rounds with him at his heaviest ever 239lbs so where you get the 2 round crap from i don't know he would demolish Jones and deep down ICE you know thisQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I think all the people that are saying tyson would have only been able to keep his foot on the pedal for 2 rounds but its all he would have needed to beat jones having been basing too much on highlights of the early tyson.
After tyson got out of prison, he didnt even move his head anymore. He moved his hands a lot instead. He didnt have his footwork and he'd gas himself out early loading up with telegraphed punches. Its no coincidence that many of the guys he eventually caught up with after early difficulties were guys like Botha, nielson and mathis. They werent in shape and mike simply had less dead weight to drag around with him so he outlasted them. Lewis cut tyson to ribbons because he was prepared, in shape and not scared. A smaller holyfield also bested tyson without taking horrible abuse by using the land and clinch method.
A fighter like jones jr (prepared, in shape, with super fast hands and unorthodox style who has barely been touched by lighter faster fighters) carried up enough power to rock Ruiz at one point. Tyson would have fits with this kind of fighter. Lets not forget that Jones also held a fighter (albeit smaller) with the same style and trainer as the young tyson to a "0 Landed" punch stat already.
The younger tyson would be a completely different story as he had the style and discipline to make use of his power. He had excellent head movement and threw combinations not just, hail mary one shot bombs.
Yes but topic was the 2000s Tyson not prime one and you are right even Botha was outboxing Tyson until he got that punch right at the end of the round and i have watched most of Tysons fights old and new and i wern't saying he could only fight well for 2 rounds in his prime i was on about 2000s version and TYSONBRUNO you brought up Nielsen he was like Butterbean with a better chin at that point in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
My point with Nielson was Tyson was at his heaviest 239lbs yet paced himself and went 7 and that was before Lewis then did 8 with Lewis so you cant say he could only do 2 rounds.