I think that Lewis is a top ten on the best heavies ever.

I hear alot of people say Lewis doesn't deserve a spot on the top ten but i like to point out some reason that i think he should but to some maybe their not good ones but i am throwing them out there any how. Ok lets start out with what he accomplished he for one clean out the division and only had two losses which to me were flukes but thats just what i think. As far as titles go He was World heavyweight champion 1999-2001 and 2001-2004 and was Wbc holder 1992-1994,1997-2001, and Wbc Linear champion 1998-2001. As far as his record goes 41 wins 32 stoppages 2 losses and 1 draw. I agree with George Foreman when he said at lewis retirement in 2004 "Lewis was beyond doubt the greatest heavy weight champion of all time. He was good enough to compete with anyone." so pleas i like to hear what people have to say about my thoughts and hope you post.

I think maybe he was but here is the thing......the older Heavyweights tend to get a lot more praise on this forum.

Nah he does deserve a place on top ten. He beat some of the best. Holyfield, Vitali Klitschko, Tyson...he deserves his place.

BUT THEN SO DOES TSZYU!

So sad :(

Haha

lewis is boring--if he beat marciano record he would be a top 10--he beat faded champs and theres nothing exciting about him--nothing special

agree that lewis was very good but boring as hell. i mean he had his moments against golotta and ruddock, but for the most part he was to safety concious. he should have gone into the tyson-holyfield fights with the same intensity and fury as golota and ruddock with both gunz blazing.

tyson and holy were shadows of there former selves, especially tyson. lewis should have koed holyfield and ko tyson a lot quicker than he did. he was just to over cautious which = BORING.

i would but him at #8 probably based on acomplishments

LEWIS is a top ten best heavyweight of all time!!!.........................................to p ten best heavyweight of all time who had dread locks that is! ;)

When lewis Fought holyfield and Tyson he was jsut as old and he was not at his prime in my opion people keep saying he was in his prime but god his prime must of lasted like 12 years.

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LEWIS is a top ten best heavyweight of all time!!!.........................................to p ten best heavyweight of all time who had dread locks that is! ;)

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Where would you have him man? 16-19 somewhere?

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When lewis Fought holyfield and Tyson he was jsut as old and he was not at his prime in my opion people keep saying he was in his prime but god his prime must of lasted like 12 years.

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well then lewis got sparked by chumps in his prime

Yea i admit that he got some ko's but at least he pulled it together and got revenge for the ko's.

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Yea i admit that he got some ko's but at least he pulled it together and got revenge for the ko's.

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yeah he did avenge them and i think they were both fluke KO's but they still happened and IMO hurt his legacy to a small degree. but hes still top#10 in my very unoffical list

I respect that answer very much so i cc you but i dont have the right amount of posts.

I've toiled & troubled over that very matter...while it's easy to say that Lewis is a shoe in for the top 20...top 10 becomes more difficult for most historians to bend to...me?

I have to say that when heavyweights come to mind for me...Lewis, Ali, & Klitshcko spring up.

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I've toiled & troubled over that very matter...while it's easy to say that Lewis is a shoe in for the top 20...top 10 becomes more difficult for most historians to bend to...me?

I have to say that when heavyweights come to mind for me...Lewis, Ali, & Klitshcko spring up.

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By the way well done on 22300 posts, CC

I personally think beating everyone you ever fought in your career makes a bold statement, no matter how sloppy the losses were, you went back meaning business and got the job done.

wako when you say that do you mean those are the ones you think are in the top ten i dont understand what you mean when you say klisthco with the names of ali and lewis.

cc #8 mr140
and yes wacko what do you mean by vitali? i dont think hes top #10

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Nah he does deserve a place on top ten. He beat some of the best. Holyfield, Vitali Klitschko, Tyson...he deserves his place.

BUT THEN SO DOES TSZYU!

So sad :(

Haha

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I think Lennox does deserve a spot at heavyweight top 10.. His right hand is probably in the top 3 single hardest punches in heavyweight history. He was such a big heavyweight and had that right hand and great leverage.. His power and ability to deliver it put him in the top 10. Alot of guys are big, but Lennox was a top fighter. Alot better than the Klitchkos. Even on a bad night he beat Vitali.

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I've toiled & troubled over that very matter...while it's easy to say that Lewis is a shoe in for the top 20...top 10 becomes more difficult for most historians to bend to...me?

I have to say that when heavyweights come to mind for me...Lewis, Ali, & Klitshcko spring up.

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Alright ladies...read the post again.

Never once did I say that the Klits were in the top 10...

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wako when you say that do you mean those are the ones you think are in the top ten i dont understand what you mean when you say klisthco with the names of ali and lewis.

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cc #8 mr140
and yes wacko what do you mean by vitali? i dont think hes top #10

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So once again...to clarify things a bit: I have to say that when heavyweights come to mind for me...Lewis, Ali, & Klitshcko spring up.

Those are the heavyweights that I respect & the first ones that come to mind...the only one in the top 10 is the one that I mentioned above.

LEWIS.

Ok i feel dumb by asking this but you mean to say lewis and ali are top ten right.

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Ok i feel dumb by asking this but you mean to say lewis and ali are top ten right.

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Lewis & Ali are top in all timers...but...again, let me try to explain, when I think of heavyweights & excitement the Klits come to mind...not top 10 of all time...but they are fun & exctiting to watch.

Make sense?

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Ok i feel dumb by asking this but you mean to say lewis and ali are top ten right.

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Lewis & Ali are top in all timers...but...again, let me try to explain, when I think of heavyweights & excitement the Klits come to mind...not top 10 of all time...but they are fun & exctiting to watch.

Make sense?

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I do mate, I think it was just confusion with 'top 10 heavies' being in the title. I used to love watching Vitali but now I root for Wlad due to his skills.

Sorry about that wacko i understand now i was just confused by the way you put it

I would put Lewis in the top 10. I always enjoyed watching his fights and don't recall being bored, I saw most of them. What i do remember is having to convince some British tourists here that Lewis would be world champ. They didn't believe me but i was right - ner ne ner ne ner ner. But i was impressed with the skill he showed and his speed for such a big guy and he beat all he faced (eventually).

I lewis was like around between 6 and 10 somewhere between those numbers on the list

I definately got the "pugilist specialist" in my top ten, maybe even top 5. His size and boxing skills gave him a shot against anyone.He did get a lil lazy towards the end of his career tho.He was notoriously out of shape for Rahman...training for like 2 weeks or something ridiculous. He was shooting a movie..Oceans 18 ...man I hope he got paid alot for that cameo. He was a monster coming up tho until McCall knocked him off his pedestal.

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Ok i feel dumb by asking this but you mean to say lewis and ali are top ten right.

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Lewis & Ali are top in all timers...but...again, let me try to explain, when I think of heavyweights & excitement the Klits come to mind...not top 10 of all time...but they are fun & exctiting to watch.

Make sense?

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I do mate, I think it was just confusion with 'top 10 heavies' being in the title. I used to love watching Vitali but now I root for Wlad due to his skills.

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am I the only one who thinks the Klitchkos are overrated?

I think they are good but not greats they are sometimes overrated though i can agree with you there but not like they are not good fighters their just not greats yet.

considering he had two fluke losses, which he avenged, never ducked anyone, cleaned out the division and did beat alot of top class oppesition along the way and retire as champ, he gets into top 10 without doubt.

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lewis is boring--if he beat marciano record he would be a top 10--he beat faded champs and theres nothing exciting about him--nothing special

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Lol ... and who did Marciano beat? The worst record of opponents you could wish to muster lmao

If you want to complle a list of top 10 Heavies, you have to look at how many dominant heavies there were in history - answer not many!!

i.e (and this aint my top ten list btw ;) )P

Dempsey
Louis
Marciano
Liston
Frazier
Ali
Foreman
Holmes
Tyson
Lewis


- It's difficult to find 10 with more right to a top 10 place than LL.

Holyfield for one (great as he was) has a flawed record at heavyweight imo

Lost to Bowe
Nearly stopped by journeyman cooper
Laboured to wins over geriatrics Foreman and Holmes
Lost to Bowe gain
Lost to Moorer

didn't often have 2 good fights in a row - like I say without doubt a great - and def greatest Cruiser ever, but wouldn't make my top 10 heavies list

just one example ;D

he does to deserve to be in top ten. he was a great champion

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Foreman
Tyson
Lewis
Frazier
Johnson
Jim Jeffries
Liston/Marciano/Dempsey/Holyfield ;)

I love a list ;D

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agree that lewis was very good but boring as hell.

tyson and holy were shadows of there former selves, especially tyson. lewis should have koed holyfield and ko tyson a lot quicker than he did. he was just to over cautious which = BORING.

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You can say the same about PBF... boring fights, beating faded champions, over-cautious...but he still gets the crap bummed outta him. Plus, you don't have to be exciting to be good, you have to win to be good. Lewis only fought faded fighters cause they were all shit scared to fight him (Bowe, Holyfield & Tyson all ducked him for a while). They waited till they were old so they had the damn excuse if they lost. They just went for the beating and the payday. (except Bowe...he remained shit scared for the rest of his career)

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lewis is boring--if he beat marciano record he would be a top 10--he beat faded champs and theres nothing exciting about him--nothing special

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And didn't Marciano ??

Listen if the rock faced lewis he would literally have no face it be ripped apart.

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lewis is boring--if he beat marciano record he would be a top 10--he beat faded champs and theres nothing exciting about him--nothing special

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Lol ... and who did Marciano beat? The worst record of opponents you could wish to muster lmao

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actually the worst record of opponents would go 2 dempsey--and marciano and louis are even--im just saying lewis has got nothing special---marciano's claim 2 fame is never losing--louis is record 25 title defenses and longest reign--so whats lewis's?

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lewis is boring--if he beat marciano record he would be a top 10--he beat faded champs and theres nothing exciting about him--nothing special

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Lol ... and who did Marciano beat? The worst record of opponents you could wish to muster lmao

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actually the worst record of opponents would go 2 dempsey--and marciano and louis are even--im just saying lewis has got nothing special---marciano's claim 2 fame is never losing--louis is record 25 title defenses and longest reign--so whats lewis's?

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Being best hw of the last 15 years and beating everybody there is to beat ??

i think why some people dont like lewis because he underestimate his opponents alot