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I watched the Tyson VS Etienne fight again.
Does anyone think it's staged?
Etienne gets hit and falls, fair enough. Soon as he falls he takes out his mouthguard, ok he needs more air. But at the end of the count, he gets up as if he was never hurt. Him and Tyson hug and exchange words before hugging again.
Maybe Tyson paid Cliff's people off, because Tyson 'needed' to be the winner again. He couldn't keep losing. It just looks fake.
Opinions?
If it was not for the fact he nearly broke his own leg on his way down I might be inclined to say the same mate. Etienne was chinny as fuck at the end of the day, so I can see what your saying as the punch that fucked him up was not all that. I think he had respect for Mike and Mike had respect for him too.
I think they both knew the outcome of the fight as soon as the bell rang....or even as the fight was made.
I watched a documentary about prison boxing that had "The Black Rhino" in it.
He was the man behind bars, but those with proper training and eating habits were too much for him it seems to me.
Sounds interesting.........can it be viewed online anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
You might find it if you typed in some keywords. Some clips or something should surface somewhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I watched it on DiscoveryTimes about 2 years ago.
CC thanks I'll have a look around Youtube and suchQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Don't think it was staged. If you remember, Ettienne pulled out of the fight just days before claiming that it would be suicide for him to step in the ring and the money wouldn't be worth it. Then he got pulled back into it for the money, got hit once, and he went down legitimately. You can tell by the way his ankle bent. You can't take a fall like that without being out of it. He probably could of got up, but Tyson was the baddest man on the planet as Etienne was growing up, he was scared to death. After the fight, when he went to hug Tyson, he told Tyson to stop bullshitting himself, that he didn't belong in the ring with Mike.
Definitely was not staged.
Yeah guess you guys are right. Just looks abit sus that's all.
I too thought it looked fixed the first time I saw it, not that it needed to be, Tyson didn't need any help knocking out chinny ass Etienne, who actually had a lot of potential at one time around the KO Nation time on HBO. Too bad Etienne had to go and be a dum fuck and rob that store and shoot at them cops and get his dum ass thrown back in the slammer for LIFE. >:mad
Yeah heard his sentence came to a total of 108 years or something?!
I love isolation from the outside world but not when the food sucks almost as hard as the fella sleeping in the bunk under you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Haha. Join the armed forces. Practically like prison, only better food and people aren't trying to kill you. Plenty of isolation from the 'real' world there. Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
...Australian Army anyway! :P
If anything Etienne faked being knocked out to save himself, im sure Tyson didn't need any help...
Etienne just wanted a payday, without taking any serious damage. He new he would lose, so why not stay down.
was no fix etienne just got caught with i big right hook that tyson turned and put all his force into and clifford got caught
actually if anyone remebers..tyson was playing chicken...making as if he was going to back out of the fight and then changin his mind, then he went and had the tattoo placed on his face so etienne said he didn't want to be a part of the freak show. Then after a phone call with his wife he decided to go ahead and take the 1mill for a short night of work..So he fell and stayed down with the first punch that landed...
No it wasn't fixed but Seldon vs Tyson was a fix.
Cocaine,theres a good idea
LOL Keep up the good work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Guy got paid a million bucks to get his head handed to him by Tyson,and is going to spend the rest of his life in jail for getting high,and vicking 2 grand from a check cashing placeQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I think Ill put out a new movie
"Dumbass,Cliffords Tale"
I don't think it was a fix i just think Seldon shit himself and wanted outQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Seldon was knocked down twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Many feel Seldon took took a dive {lost on purpose}. Replays show Seldon was pushed down by Tyson in what was credited as th first knockdown. Seconds later Bruce was knocked out.
None of the punches actually landed when i see it either it was a dive i don't understand why he did because Tyson would of won anyway but he still took a dive imo.
All I know is that I paid money to see this fight and that there was a network-breakdown,
just when Mike knocked Etienne out...,when the picture returned the fight was over and
me furious...
With all due respect Ice, you shouldnt bandy such opinions about without substantiating them. I dont believe either the Ettiene nor the Seldon fight were fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
You can question a fighters heart, but to say a fight is fixed so forthrightly is too much....
Miles i just gave you an article didn't the boxing board even think it was i thought thats why they stripped Tyson of the title ?? theres nothing wrong with thinking that because we all know soemtimes there are some dirty dealings in boxing but the thing that puzzles me is that Seldon would of lost anyway so why take a dive imo it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
It was a weak performance from Seldon. Do you have a link to this article? I wouldnt mind having a readQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Sure i'll try and find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Taking a dive suggest that a fight was fixed. He definitely did not give all he could give but can you blame him? Mike Tyson was the baddest man on the planet. He was the most feared in all of sports. Seldon was scared, he didn't want to be in the ring.
Augustus versus Vester is something that would be considered a dive. Someone being scared and looking for a way out isn't.
As i said early it was'nt a fix he could of fought Tyson but Seldon just shit himself and as soon as he found an opportunity he was out of their.
Taking a dive is not acceptable but is not neccessarily meaning that a fight is fixed. It can be more a question of another fighters heart simply flaking out. Who is to say if money exchanged hands regarding prior agreement to a dive? Who is to say if Tyson would have been complicent in such an act? There is no open fact and only speculation which is why I think its too much to say a fight is fixed per se....Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
We can have an opinion and speculate but unless we have hard facts then it shouldnt be spoken of as fact. It is merely conjecture...
It was odd and did look like Ettiene fell as if he were more hurt then he was. His eyes werent dazed at all if I remember correctly. The man was gonna get paid either way and I suppose this was a win that Tyson needed so I guess there was opportunity there. Something definetely was strange and I wouldnt put it past Ettiene or Tysons crew. Both were desperate.
I'd say the fight wasn't staged from Tyson's perspective. But Etienne. The guy has gone on to show he is of low moral character, is it impossible to conceive he took a dive? He waited for a legit punch to happen and sure, he almost ripped his own leg off in the process, but I say he could have gotten up and chose not to. Just like Bruce 'the happiest man to ever get KO'd' Seldon, I don't think it was Tyson who set anything up. If anything, it was Don King promising a couple extra bucks, the highest payday for either guy I'd guess. If one punch takes you out like that, it should take longer for you to recover. I can imagine if a guy is taking punishment over several rounds and is KO'd with an accumulation of blows, but you don't just pop up ready to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
If I'm not mistaken, this was the fight Mike had after he 'broke his back'. Anyone ever figure out what that meant? This was also the fight where I found it disturbing how easily Mike was cut over his eyes. It wasn't even one round and Etienne didn't land anything significant, but Mike was slashed.
Like Tyson really needed the fight to be fixed to beat Etienne
I remember that like yesterday, because I was in Memphis, Tennessee the entire time during the build up..It wasn't staged but here are some factors that lead to the obvious flop by Clifford..
1) Tyson was acting very strange during the promotion, he wanted to cancel then said he wanted to fight, then canceled again because he went out and got a fucking tattoo on his face, then said nevermind okay i'll do it
2)Cliff responded by saying that tyson didn't want to fight and the constant off and on behavior was hurting his preparation so he then backed out.
3) People started saying that he was to earn a million for the fight and he was stupid for backing out..
4)Just days before the fight, ESPN reported that Cliff made phone call back home to his wife during which she some how convinced him to go through with it..Many, including the ESPN anchor speculated that she said something in the area of "Man you'd better not blow the hugest purse of your career are you stupid or something like that"
5)On the night of the fight people in the arena where saying that if they were cliff, because of tyson's antics they'd just go down off the first solid punch, stay down, then take the money..which is exactly what he did....I don't think he was hurt at all, yeah it was a good punch but he immediately got up after the count, even told tyson to stop bullshitting so much....
So, not staged but definitely not a 100% performance..
Tyson did not need a fix for Clifford, but he may well have stayed down for the pay day, but he would not be the first tyson opponent to do that, Seldon was the best example, at least Spinks took the licks.
Etienne was had poor balance and was beyond chinny. Didn't Oquendo knock his @$$ down like 8 times? Etienne was there to be caught anytime of the day.
For a guy like Seldon, he just plain soiled himself. He never got hit that hard and when he was boxing circles and literally spinning away from punches from Joe hipp, he never thought he'd be that vulnerable. He practically fainted when he saw Tyson charging toward him as the bell rang. He got up from that little grazing shot. His legs seemed steady, the ref asked him if he was ok... and was ready to send him back out there...then Seldon realizing he could get hit solid next time, started doing the weak kneed stumble and glazed look to convince the ref to save him.