Calzaghe vs Early 90's SMW

I think its fair to say JC has'nt had the best opposition in his reign as SMW champion for 10 years now. I know he beat Eubank, but that wasnt a prime Eubank. How would he have done against prime Eubank, Collins, Benn, McClennan etc?

I think that all of these would have been tough fights and JC was due to face Collins untill doctors said otherwise, but i believe he was the more skilled boxers out of all of these and would have beat them all.

I know alot of you will disagree but they would have been close fights, but still have JC winning!!!

He'd have always been far too busy for Eubank, would have found Nigel's dodgy jaw, Collins? Pfft, far too sharp for Collins

what about mcclennan??

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Eubank vs Calzaghe = Calzaghe by decision
Benn vs Calzaghe = Calzaghe by tko
Collins vs Calzaghe = Calzaghe by decision
Watson vs Calzaghe = Watson by decision
Gerald vs Calzaghe = Gerald by ko or tko in middle rounds

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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

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Here i am i think any of the match ups would be close but if i was going to pick somebody who i thought would beat him it would be Benn i think Benn would stop him

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Here i am i think any of the match ups would be close but if i was going to pick somebody who i thought would beat him it would be Benn i think Benn would stop him

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Benns chin is too shaky Calzaghe would just get in and out throw combos repeat ect and remember Calzaghe before hand issues had quite a bit of power aswell.

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Here i am i think any of the match ups would be close but if i was going to pick somebody who i thought would beat him it would be Benn i think Benn would stop him

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Benns chin is too shaky Calzaghe would just get in and out throw combos repeat ect and remember Calzaghe before hand issues had quite a bit of power aswell.

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Mitchell dropped Calzaghe and for a split second Calzaghe looked gone if Benn connected it would'nt be a split second he would be out Benn was a bigger puncher than Mitchell

i would say Lacy is a bigger puncher than benn, look what happened there. If benn stops Gerald then that tells me Calzaghe would beat him. Before JC did his hands in he had a fairbit of power, and dont forger none of these are natural SMW, so there power wouldnt have the same effect as it did for themall at MW. Calzaghe beats them all.

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Here i am i think any of the match ups would be close but if i was going to pick somebody who i thought would beat him it would be Benn i think Benn would stop him

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Benns chin is too shaky Calzaghe would just get in and out throw combos repeat ect and remember Calzaghe before hand issues had quite a bit of power aswell.

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Mitchell dropped Calzaghe and for a split second Calzaghe looked gone if Benn connected it would'nt be a split second he would be out Benn was a bigger puncher than Mitchell

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Lol yes you answered my question a split second and he got up and beat living hell out of Mitchell it was flash knockdown so what how about bringing up Logan who had Benn down and almost stopped him if it wasn't for the lucky punch Benn caught him with he would of been stopped more than likely Benn was very exciting fighter to watch i watch his fights alot myself but your talking about flash knockdown where as Benn has been shook up so many times i can't even count it on my fingers and toes.

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i would say Lacy is a bigger puncher than benn, look what happened there. If benn stops Gerald then that tells me Calzaghe would beat him. Before JC did his hands in he had a fairbit of power, and dont forger none of these are natural SMW, so there power wouldnt have the same effect as it did for themall at MW. Calzaghe beats them all.

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Lacy is nowhere near Benns class Benn had headmovement Lacy was punchbag in that fight and Lacy didn't even land clean but i will have to admit the Calzaghe that fought Lacy would tko Benn.

I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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Originally Posted by miles

I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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I think Watson that fought Eubank in rematch would beat Calzaghe that Watson was so good he was like a machine that night.

16 world title fights won 12 of them Benn was a really good fighter 42 wins 35 by KO yes he got shook up quite a few times but only stopped twice properly Watson and Eubank the Collins stoppages were twisted ankle and retired on his stool but a stoppage is a stoppage.Benn hits harder than Mitchell and Salem i think if he got his punches off he would stop Calzaghe Calzaghe is a good boxer but Benn could box abit aswell as brawl and boy could he bang.

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16 world title fights won 12 of them Benn was a really good fighter 42 wins 35 by KO yes he got shook up quite a few times but only stopped twice properly Watson and Eubank the Collins stoppages were twisted ankle and retired on his stool but a stoppage is a stoppage.Benn hits harder than Mitchell and Salem i think if he got his punches off he would stop Calzaghe Calzaghe is a good boxer but Benn could box abit aswell as brawl and boy could he bang.

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But you might aswell say if he got shook up by Logan and was put down and he was also stopped by Watson by a stiff jab then Calzaghe could stop Benn then ?? i think Calzaghe has much bigger chance of tkoing Benn than Benn does at doing it to Calzaghe.

My only question is how good was the old Calzaghe compared to the one now were was his prime is my question so i can look at some of those fights.

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My only question is how good was the old Calzaghe compared to the one now were was his prime is my question so i can look at some of those fights.

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In his prime he had alot more power watch Eubank fight thats pretty good performance.

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My only question is how good was the old Calzaghe compared to the one now were was his prime is my question so i can look at some of those fights.

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In his prime he had alot more power watch Eubank fight thats pretty good performance.

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Calzaghe is a hard fighter to work out because he has only had 1 really big fight against Lacy perhaps he could of helped himself by fighting Reid in a rematch soon after there 1st meeting

Thank you ice i am not as knowledgable about the lighter weight, i am more of a heavyweight kinda of guy when it comes to my knowledge of the sport.

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I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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I think Watson that fought Eubank in rematch would beat Calzaghe that Watson was so good he was like a machine that night.

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I disagree. Watson trained specifcally to negate Eubanks style and it was extremely effective.

Calzaghe's style is a whole different thing entirely...to say that that Watson would beat Calzaghe is to say that Watson was ready for a completely contrasting style and one he hadnt trained for. Thats a bit much methinks.

Calzaghe would stop him.

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I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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I think Watson that fought Eubank in rematch would beat Calzaghe that Watson was so good he was like a machine that night.

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I disagree. Watson trained specifcally to negate Eubanks style and it was extremely effective.

Calzaghe's style is a whole different thing entirely...to say that that Watson would beat Calzaghe is to say that Watson was ready for a completely contrasting style and one he hadnt trained for. Thats a bit much methinks.

Calzaghe would stop him.

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Watson could change styles quite well except McCallum but in his fights with Benn and Eubank i was very impressed how he changed his style and he would push Calzaghe the most out of Benn Eubank and Collins.

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I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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I think Watson that fought Eubank in rematch would beat Calzaghe that Watson was so good he was like a machine that night.

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I disagree. Watson trained specifcally to negate Eubanks style and it was extremely effective.

Calzaghe's style is a whole different thing entirely...to say that that Watson would beat Calzaghe is to say that Watson was ready for a completely contrasting style and one he hadnt trained for. Thats a bit much methinks.

Calzaghe would stop him.

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Watson could change styles quite well except McCallum but in his fights with Benn and Eubank i was very impressed how he changed his style and he would push Calzaghe the most out of Benn Eubank and Collins.

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But you did say "the Watson that beat Eubank in the rematch". The Watson of that night would have been overwhelmed by what was placed in front of him.

Maybe you mean to have said " the Watson that trained specifically for the style of Calzaghe could have stretched him to the later rounds and perhaps a loss on points?" ;D

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I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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I think Watson that fought Eubank in rematch would beat Calzaghe that Watson was so good he was like a machine that night.

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I disagree. Watson trained specifcally to negate Eubanks style and it was extremely effective.

Calzaghe's style is a whole different thing entirely...to say that that Watson would beat Calzaghe is to say that Watson was ready for a completely contrasting style and one he hadnt trained for. Thats a bit much methinks.

Calzaghe would stop him.

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Watson could change styles quite well except McCallum but in his fights with Benn and Eubank i was very impressed how he changed his style and he would push Calzaghe the most out of Benn Eubank and Collins.

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But you did say "the Watson that beat Eubank in the rematch". The Watson of that night would have been overwhelmed by what was placed in front of him.

Maybe you mean to have said " the Watson that trained specifically for the style of Calzaghe could have stretched him to the later rounds and perhaps a loss on points?" ;D

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What i mean is the Watson that trained for Eubank with same intensity but changing his tactics slighty would beat Calzaghe on points Watson was very talented.

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I think a Calzaghe with fresh hands beats has the potential to be the victor against each of them.

Benn is perhaps the most dangerous, with that punchers chance of staying in and winning a fight...

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I think Watson that fought Eubank in rematch would beat Calzaghe that Watson was so good he was like a machine that night.

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I disagree. Watson trained specifcally to negate Eubanks style and it was extremely effective.

Calzaghe's style is a whole different thing entirely...to say that that Watson would beat Calzaghe is to say that Watson was ready for a completely contrasting style and one he hadnt trained for. Thats a bit much methinks.

Calzaghe would stop him.

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Watson could change styles quite well except McCallum but in his fights with Benn and Eubank i was very impressed how he changed his style and he would push Calzaghe the most out of Benn Eubank and Collins.

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But you did say "the Watson that beat Eubank in the rematch". The Watson of that night would have been overwhelmed by what was placed in front of him.

Maybe you mean to have said " the Watson that trained specifically for the style of Calzaghe could have stretched him to the later rounds and perhaps a loss on points?" ;D

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What i mean is the Watson that trained for Eubank with same intensity but changing his tactics slighty would beat Calzaghe on points Watson was very talented.

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Watson was talented but he wasnt RJJ...

Beat Calzaghe on points? I dont see how he could possibly have done that....how exactly?

Workrate Talent Defense.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Workrate Talent Defense.

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Watson never threw a 1000 punches in a fight. So workrate is out. Talent is too ambiguous a term. And defense? Eubank found his way through that defence. :-\

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Workrate Talent Defense.

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Watson never threw a 1000 punches in a fight. So workrate is out. Talent is too ambiguous a term. And defense? Eubank found his way through that defence. :-\

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How many do you think he threw in Eubank fight ?? probably 1000 and that was against quality fighter Calzaghe was fighting a punchbag Eubank found away through most peoples defense but Watson still won first fight imo and 2nd one he was winning easy as pie until he got caught and Watson showed good defense in Benn fight aswell.

Benn still gets my vote

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Workrate Talent Defense.

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Watson never threw a 1000 punches in a fight. So workrate is out. Talent is too ambiguous a term. And defense? Eubank found his way through that defence. :-\

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How many do you think he threw in Eubank fight ?? probably 1000 and that was against quality fighter Calzaghe was fighting a punchbag Eubank found away through most peoples defense but Watson still won first fight imo and 2nd one he was winning easy as pie until he got caught and Watson showed good defense in Benn fight aswell.

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I think in the Lacy fight Calzaghe was pushing a 1000 too. Lacy was a quality opponent. Watson did get caught so that means his defence was faulty and his chin too. Watson was a good fighter but not as good as you like to maintain.

I think Lacy was just a hype machine

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I think Lacy was just a hype machine

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You would!! ;D

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I think Lacy was just a hype machine

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You would!! ;D

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I'm been serious if he goes on to do well then i will change my mind but until then he was and is a hype machine

Talking about early to mid 90's SMW's what about Toney or RJJ v Calzaghe?

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Talking about early to mid 90's SMW's what about Toney or RJJ v Calzaghe?

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He would maybe beat Toeny but he would lose bad to Jones by one sided decision.

I feel he'd have beaten Toney. I also feel he would have eeked out a decision against Nigel Benn in what would have been a cracking fight. I've debated in my mind for many years over whether or not he'd have beaten Steve Collins. I used to think Collins, but I'm unsure. Would have been great though. RJJ at his best would have taken Calzaghe in the 90's me feels, but not now.

Toney,Jones and Benn beat him in my opinion and with a name like Gav Wright how can i be wrong ;D

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Jones would beat him in my opinion and with a name like TysonBruno how can i be wrong :-X

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Jones would beat him in my opinion and with a name like Gav Wright how can i be wrong ;D

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[quote]their you go

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