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i say holmes by UD
Agreed Lewis always struggled with jabs aka Mercer Bruno and Holmes had imo best jab in hw history he would win a decision but he may have to take a count but he would still win.
ice i remember when you started this topic
still lewis wins
lewis jab was good he also throws good combinations throw right cross or right uppercut be hind his jab plus i like lewis more
mercer and bruno they kind crouch start low with thier jabs wich gave him a promblem
ice i remember when you started this topic
still lewis wins
lewis jab was good he also throws good combinations throw right cross or right uppercut be hind his jab plus i like lewis more
mercer and bruno they kind crouch start low with thier jabs wich gave him a promblem
Uhh no Holmes is way faster than Lewis and has much more snap with his jab and better footwork aswell plus better chin Mercer is 5 foot 11 and was going jab to jab with a 6 foot 5 Lewis ?? thats bad if you ask me that much smaller man is going equal with you in the jab department when your 6 inches taller hell Holmes at 42 gave Mercer a boxing lesson and plus Bruno does not crouch he doesn't know the meaning of the word lol he always stands straight up and he was outjabbing Lewis badly this would be battle of the jabs and Holmes would win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by headson
Larry is all over him by a KO before 10
One in the bag for "The Easton Assasin"
UD if you ask me
Cut paste, Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste Cut paste ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Holmes UD ;)
Lol i actually didn't but good answer by the way :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You know yourself Lewis struggled badly with good jabs.
still i wont give in
we all know larry holmes jab is probaly the best behind cassius clay not ali
i just think lewis is to physical i didnt say lewis jab was better he use it good to follow right and uppercut plus i like him more
i just be the outkast on this thread lol.
Bruno had suspect chin yet he was able to avoid Lewis's right hand until he got stupid when he trapped Lewis in the corner Holmes has iron chin and he had much power behind his jab than even Ali he has enough skills plus better jab the better chin and better speed to beat Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by headson
ice you just cant convince me
lewis right hand wins it for him
plus i like him more
I don't see what liking him has to do with it how many Holmes fights have you actually seen ??Quote:
Originally Posted by headson
Holmes had the better jab and it would have upset Lewis all night.
But as ive said before, Holmes has been a sucker for a right.
And what a right lewis had 8)
I say Holmes by UD but he could have easliy been docked 2-4 points for KD's
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
This would be a great fight a jab war but Lennox would catch up with Holmes by round 8 or 9 and take him out holmes were in the 220's weight wise Lennox was 240's a very big 240s i think he would be to strong for Holmes.
A young lewis was 220s and when he went with Manny he was 240s but he was alot slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Lewis wins for me
Based on what ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
holmes by comfortable UD.
it really depends what lennox lewis it is? if its the 220lb lewis who blasted ruddock in 2 rds, id give that lewis a very good chance cause he was pretty quick at that weight but i have to stick with holmes he had faster hands and a granite chin, no way lewis would ko larry imo!
and this is coming from an anti-holmes boxing fan.....i think larry holmes was an ass-hole and treated his fans like shit......but his skill cant be denied
Prime Larry Holmes wins a UD/Possible stoppage, apart from Ali i think Holmes had the best Jab in HW history. Holmes could also counter Lewis and packed a good left hook. Couldn't see Lewis beating Holmes.
Holmes by UD
His opinion ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
lewis to win and if holmes beat him in first fight....lewis to comeback and win in second(lewis always wins the rematch)......lewis would have been to clever for holmes....and his jab a lot heavier then holmes...holmes was best fighter in his era and lewis the greatest in his but my opinion LEWIS is one of the greatest ever especially with manny steward in his corner
Lewis smarter fighter than Holmes ?? well im not so sure about that and Lewis won rematches against bums we are talking Holmes here not Rahman and McCall Holmes jab was better than Lewis's jab Lewis used to paw with his jab Holmes actually knocked someone down with his jab and Lewis got outjabbed by Frank Bruno and Little Ray Mercer was going pretty even with Lewis in jab department Lewis would lose a decision and Lewis is not one of the greatest and how he is one of the greatest ?? what wins did he have that make him one of the greatest ??Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlypete
ICE who did Holmes fight that was better than.......
Ruddock
Morrison
Mercer
Golota (at the time ;) )
Tucker
Briggs
Akinwande
Tua
Holyfield
Klitchko
I am not asking you to disect the pereiods of their careers when they fought, I just think that you should check out Holmes' era if you think Lewis fought some bums ;)
As I've stated before I think Holmes would UD Lewis, but you won't find many better resumes in history than Lewis
Most of these guys you have just mentioned were already victims im not sure if you know what i mean by that i'll you a example.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Ruddock= Tyson already beat him twice
Morrison= Bentt already finished him in less than 2 minutes and Mercer almost killed Morrison
Mercer= Holyfield already beat him Holmes did and Jesse ferguson ??? enuff said
Golota= now i give him alot of credit for this win considering Golota battered Bowe twice
Tucker= Tyson already got to him BIG H and was 35 if i remember
Briggs= got a gift off Foreman actually forget that it was a robbery and he also got stopped in 3 rounds by that
other mediocre chump but i can't remember his name at moment
Akiwande= the hugger ?? well he may of had good record but imo he isn't that good of a fighter more of a hugger than a fighter im sure your agree
I won't go into the others but what im saying is that most of Lewis's best wins were washed up fighters like Holyfield and Tyson i give Lewis credit and im not saying Holmes beat better opp but he did dominate his era and beating some good undefeated fighters like.
Gerry Cooney
Tim Witherspoon
Carl Williams
Renaldo Snipes
And of course his two best wins
Earnie Shavers just before he fought Holmes in 1st fight he almost beat Ali and in 2nd fight with Holmes just before he fought Holmes he destroyed Norton in 1.
Ken Norton some may say he was washed up but i disagree he almost beat Ali and he also beat Jimmy Young who was just coming off giving Foreman a boxing lesson.
I give Lewis credit for beating.
Andrew Golota
Gary Mason because of his power and because Lewis only had like 14 fights at that time
Ruddock because of how early he done
Tua
Holyfield
Klitschko
And thats about it really i don't give him much credit for Mercer because he should of handled Mercer alot easier yet he made it alot of hard work and Mercer was never a great boxer and imo the fight was a draw.
holmes couldnt carry lewis jockstrap ...lewis era compared to holmes era is like
comparing a plastic mug to a ceramic one....holmes might have one of the longest winning runs in his reign but christ he didnt fight anyone of note...all the big bois had retired ali,smoking,fearsome george,and who was left for holmes to fight???ken doll norton big deal and holmes barely won that fight ...as for lewis dang who didnt he fight he fought them all and if he lost fought them again to win.....how do u know a champion???u know when he loses comes straight back and wins thats why lewis rates over all of them....holmes man he lost to two fight wonder spinks....came out of retirement and got eaten up by tyson(and dnt gimme he was past his prime crap u get in the ring yur ready)and bein tryin to fight on past glory since....holmes ruled in a era where there were no challenges....lewis he ate all his challengers and spat them out...lewis foreverl
Holmes couldn't carry Lewis's jockstrap ?? what complete nonsense Holmes beat a guy who should of in alot of peoples eyes be 2-1 against the greatest hw of all time Ali actually most of what you said is complete nonsense im sorry but it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadlypete
Holmes lost to tyson after being out of the ring 2 years and only had 2 weeks to train and was 38 so don't give me that crap and you just said get in the ring your ready ?? so Ali was ready vs Berbick then ?? Chavez was ready against Wiley yes ok Holmes wasn't as past it as those guys i just mentioned but he was not ready at all Lewis's best wins were against washed up fighters like Holyfield like Tyson and have you ever watched Spinks fights ?? and can you honestly tell me without laughing that Spinks deserved to win 2nd fight at all ??
Lennox wins this one. Both are evenly matched apart from power which Lennox had more of.
I don't see the point in rubbishing they're opponents in order to prove an arguement as it's pointless.
Lennox in my own opinion was the better of the two and I base that on having seen alot of both fighters contests during there prime years.
Listen holmes has a better chin then lewis and is faster then lewis and that is all i am going to say
You've just disected all of his opponents which was not the point, becuase you can do that with almost every heavyweight in history. Lewis' era and Lewis' opponetnts blitz Holmes' era and Holmes' oppoistion period!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Still say Larry would win, but please Lewis' opposition just isn't comparable
i give Lewis credit and im not saying Holmes beat better opp but he did dominate his era.
It isn't ??Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Andrew Golota------ Gerry Cooney
Mike Tyson-------- Muhammad Ali
These wins are very similar because Cooney and Golota were undefeated and were considered very dangerous at that time and were both the next white hope.
Ali and Tyson two similar victorys aswell both were way past it when they got beaten and both are legends ;)
Lewis beat a very old Holyfield and this could compare with Holmes beating Ken Norton who was getting on a bit aswell but Holyfield was more past it than Norton.
Lennox Lewis beat very dangerous puncher Ruddock Holmes beat very dangerous puncher Shavers.
Actually there are few for similarities than you think
Lewis's other good wins
Vitali
Mercer
Tua
Mason
Morrison
Tucker
Holmes other good wins
Tim Witherspoon
Carl Williams
Trevor Berbick
Mike Weaver
James Smith
Renaldo Snipes
Leon Spinks
This is the part when Lewis's opposition is better because Lewis beat alot more goodish opposition than Holmes but compare there best wins there isn't that much difference.
Did Holmes actually win the Witherspoon and Williams fights - they seem to be debatable?
Also Bonecrusher Smith gave him a close, tough fight.
Holmes just about won the Witherspoon fight and Williams fight well actually Williams was ahead 3 rounds at one point but lost last 4 rounds and Holmes just stole it by a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Holmes would KO Lewis by drop kicking him off the bonnet of a Punto
;D
In the battle of the Jabs i think Larry would take this one hands down in a UD.
I pick Lewis late KO.
larry holmes at his best would beat lewis like a drum , trust me. the jab the footwork, everything holmes did was better, larry had great rhythm in his prime . holmes wins either by late r stoppage or blanket dec victory