Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats

Now i not saying Wladimer is a top ten fighter but i think he could give some of the top ten a good run for their money every one top ten is different but this is my top ten
I think making a list of 20 would be more interesting then just having ten my top 10 in this order

Ali
Holmes
Liston
Louis
Forman
Lewis
Frazier
Tyson
Tunney
Rocky

it's my list so it not correct in other peoples eyes but any how this are the chances i give Waldemar against my top ten people

Wlad vs Ali- Ali to me is the greatest but think Wald would give him problems because he can box and is so pig to but i think Ali wins 8 out of 10 times.

Wald vs Holmes-Same thing i said with Ali, Holmes to me was the Ali of the 80's Holmes wins 8 out of 10

Wald vs Liston-Wald would have more of chance against Liston but still Liston wins 7 out 10 times

Wald vs Forman-Forman is not good news for Wald that chin of his at grant George 9 out 10

Wald vs Louis-Louis was good but god he is a old timer and think Wlad to big for him but Louis was tough but think Wald would win 6 out of 10 times

Wald vs lewis-Have to go with Lewis think he had the power to Knock Wlad 7 out 10

Wald vs Tyson-like forman he had power and was faster so Tyson wins 9 out 10

Wald vs Frazier-Well not as good as forman so i give him 7 out 10

Wald vs Rocky-Sorry rock was great but i a realistic Wald to big for him 8 out of 10

Wald vs Tunney-Yet again great fighter not big enough so Wald 8 out of 10

Like to see what you guys think of my out comes please love what you guys have to say.

Mr140, in his defense, Vlad has the offense to hang with anyone. And thats a big statement. But, I question his chin, stamina, and mostly his heart. All the guys on the top tens of ATGs, have those things. Plus, they all have power.

Vlad is size and so is Vitali, meaning the size helps them. I like Vitali more than Vlad, he seems to be better balanced a fighter. But both are big guys who utilize their size well. . But skillwise I think they are limited. But they are fighting other heavyweights and heavyweights are lazy uninspired guys usually.. compared to lighter weight guys.

Any thing that you change on the outcomes that i have or ideas

I find it almost impossible to compare fighters from different eras because there are so many factors that go into determining who would be victorious.An example would be Ali vs Wladimir.The first thing is there was absolutly no fighter back then that was as athletic as Wlad had the power of Wladimir along with the height and reach in one package.The closest would be Foreman but he lacked the Athletic ability of Wlad and was slower and was not as sharp with his punches plus he fought in the 220lb range compred to the 240lb range for Wlad.If there was a legitimate fighter that was similar in all these areas then I could give you an outcome to your matchups.

listen don't think i am attack Wald i love to watch the guy because he is good for boxing but come on now he has had some loses that i don't Think Ali would of had Brewster for example and in my mind Ali could give Wald a boxing leason but that is just my opinion on so take it like a grain of salt.

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listen don't think i am attack Wald i love to watch the guy because he is good for boxing but come on now he has had some loses that i don't Think Ali would of had Brewster for example and in my mind Ali could give Wald a boxing leason but that is just my opinion on so take it like a grain of salt.

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I wouldn't give Brewster a lot of credit for that win, it was more because of Wladimir throwing to many punches trying to finish off Brewster after he had put him down and just punching him self out.Well Chris Byrd thought he would give Wladimir a boxing lesson as well but that didn't turn out as planned. ;)

Are you comparing Chris bryd to Ali because i have to disagree with you

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Are you comparing Chris bryd to Ali because i have to disagree with you

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I am comparing a guy who depends on boxing skills rather than power alone to get wins.Byrd and Ali were both about the same weight and had about the same ko%.I am simply trying to use a modern day example of a boxer and how he did against Wladimir trying to beat him using boxing skills alone.

Ali has a better chin then Byrd and better stamina then Byrd and a longer reach not to mention the skill difference and has more power then Byrd not good example for me.

Yea and one more thing is that i think Wald would end up getting cut by Ali and losing as well i dont Know what is up with the Klistchos but the cut if you breath on them.

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Yea and one more thing is that i think Wald would end up getting cut by Ali and losing as well i dont Know what is up with the Klistchos but the cut if you breath on them.

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Well if Ali headbutted him he might get cut otherwise I don't see that happening.
I guess what you really want is for me just to agree with you and say Ali would beat Wladimir because he is the almighty boxing god. ???

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listen don't think i am attack Wald i love to watch the guy because he is good for boxing but come on now he has had some loses that i don't Think Ali would of had Brewster for example and in my mind Ali could give Wald a boxing leason but that is just my opinion on so take it like a grain of salt.

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I wouldn't give Brewster a lot of credit for that win, it was more because of Wladimir throwing to many punches trying to finish off Brewster after he had put him down and just punching him self out.Well Chris Byrd thought he would give Wladimir a boxing lesson as well but that didn't turn out as planned. ;)

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Oh please Byrd is natural Cruiserweight and is tiny hw Sanders put Wlad away in 2 Wlad is an ok fighter with good jab and good right hand he would only beat two on that list maybe one but Holmes Foreman Ali would kill Wlad hell actually im not Tysons biggest fan but he would put Wlad away in 2 aswell and maybe would do it in the quickest time than all the others on that list except maybe Foreman.

I think Wlad is probably weakest champ now both times he has won a title its been off the same little heavyweight Chris Byrd Wlad needs to be fighting the other champs or at least somebody better than Brock and Austin had Peter had more experiance he would'nt have got by him.

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I think Wlad is probably weakest champ now both times he has won a title its been off the same little heavyweight Chris Byrd Wlad needs to be fighting the other champs or at least somebody better than Brock and Austin had Peter had more experiance he would'nt have got by him.

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Wlad is best champ out of the champs today which isn't saying alot to be honest most of the champs from any era would rule this era with ease Tyson would ko everyone in about 2 rounds only one that would last any long is Samuel Peter Holmes would jab there heads off Ali would make them look stupid and dance around them saying *WHATS MY NAME* and Foreman would just damn right kill them like i said Wlad is an ok fighter he has some good skills but his chin is weak and Wlad was even floored by DaVarryl Williamson these Klit fans need to realize Wlad has some skills but his chin is weak and is the champ in weakest era of the hws and still hasn't dominated it yet.

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I wouldn't give Brewster a lot of credit for that win

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Of course not, he beat your boy  ;)

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it was more because of Wladimir throwing to many punches trying to finish off Brewster after he had put him down and just punching him self out

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Wlad didnt come in properly prepared and conditioned well enough, and Brewster was.... It was clear cut TKO not a BS desicion, those are the the most definitive ones   

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I think Wlad is probably weakest champ now both times he has won a title its been off the same little heavyweight Chris Byrd Wlad needs to be fighting the other champs or at least somebody better than Brock and Austin had Peter had more experiance he would'nt have got by him.

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Wlad is best champ out of the champs today which isn't saying alot to be honest most of the champs from any era would rule this era with ease Tyson would ko everyone in about 2 rounds only one that would last any long is Samuel Peter Holmes would jab there heads off Ali would make them look stupid and dance around them saying *WHATS MY NAME* and Foreman would just damn right kill them like i said Wlad is an ok fighter he has some good skills but his chin is weak and Wlad was even floored by DaVarryl Williamson these Klit fans need to realize Wlad has some skills but his chin is weak and is the champ in weakest era of the hws and still hasn't dominated it yet.

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:coolclick: #978  IMO A prime Holyfield would take him deep and drown him also

Puritty stopped him in 11 he ran out of Stamina then Sanders takes him apart KO2 then Brewster stops him but again ran out of stamina TKO5 then Williamson drops him Peter drops him 3 times had he had more experiance he would have stopped him aswell. Im not convinced he's the best he's good when he forces pace or forcing the fight when he gets hit back he crumbles i don't think he has a war in him.

Holyfield now at 44 nearly 45 would give Wlad a good fight if he could fight at a good pace and get through Wlads early big shots he could perhaps tire him out and pick up the pace towards end and stop him late a good game plan and Holyfield would beat him.

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I think Wlad is probably weakest champ now both times he has won a title its been off the same little heavyweight Chris Byrd Wlad needs to be fighting the other champs or at least somebody better than Brock and Austin had Peter had more experiance he would'nt have got by him.

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Wlad is best champ out of the champs today which isn't saying alot to be honest most of the champs from any era would rule this era with ease Tyson would ko everyone in about 2 rounds only one that would last any long is Samuel Peter Holmes would jab there heads off Ali would make them look stupid and dance around them saying *WHATS MY NAME* and Foreman would just damn right kill them like i said Wlad is an ok fighter he has some good skills but his chin is weak and Wlad was even floored by DaVarryl Williamson these Klit fans need to realize Wlad has some skills but his chin is weak and is the champ in weakest era of the hws and still hasn't dominated it yet.

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:coolclick: #978 IMO A prime Holyfield would take him deep and drown him also

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Wlad + his older bothers chin and then i give him more of a chance to when but not much more.

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Wlad + his older bothers chin and then i give him more of a chance to when but not much more.

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Yes so would i its like this.

Vitali hasn't got Wlads boxing skill.

Wlad hasn't got Vitalis chin.

Definately Mr140 if Wlad had Vitali's chin he would be a great heavyweight because he has the better skills of the 2

Thank you for think my way Tyson because we normal don't agree on things.

Personally I think a someone with Wlad's skill and size would whoop the majority of the smaller HWs of yesteryears like Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, ect. Not to say Wlad is as great as them, but a guy with the phsyical tools and skills of Wlad would be a tough fight for anyone.

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Personally I think a someone with Wlad's skill and size would whoop the majority of the smaller HWs of yesteryears like Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, ect. Not to say Wlad is as great as them, but a guy with the phsyical tools and skills of Wlad would be a tough fight for anyone.

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Maybe but he wouldn't beat Ali Holmes or Foreman Tyson ct.

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Personally I think a someone with Wlad's skill and size would whoop the majority of the smaller HWs of yesteryears like Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, ect. Not to say Wlad is as great as them, but a guy with the phsyical tools and skills of Wlad would be a tough fight for anyone.

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Maybe but he wouldn't beat Ali Holmes or Foreman Tyson ct.

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Of course... NO ONE beats Larry Holmes! ;D (not sarcasm)

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Personally I think a someone with Wlad's skill and size would whoop the majority of the smaller HWs of yesteryears like Joe Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, ect. Not to say Wlad is as great as them, but a guy with the phsyical tools and skills of Wlad would be a tough fight for anyone.

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Maybe but he wouldn't beat Ali Holmes or Foreman Tyson ct.

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Of course... NO ONE beats Larry Holmes! ;D (not sarcasm)

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Yes boxers would beat Holmes but Wlad certainly doesn't.

It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.

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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.

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Forgetting Ali what about the others ??

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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.

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Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...

Wlad never fought anyone who could jab and move like Ali or Holmes. Those guys would give him fits IMO. He'd be a tough fight for any HW who ever lived IMO though, just on his size, strength and skill alone.

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Wlad never fought anyone who could jab and move like Ali or Holmes. Those guys would give him fits IMO. He'd be a tough fight for any HW who ever lived IMO though, just on his size, strength and skill alone.

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Not for big power punchers he wouldn't like Tyson or Foreman.

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Wlad never fought anyone who could jab and move like Ali or Holmes. Those guys would give him fits IMO. He'd be a tough fight for any HW who ever lived IMO though, just on his size, strength and skill alone.

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Not for big power punchers he wouldn't like Tyson or Foreman.

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Well Wlad is a big puncher with quick accurate shots as well, I'd pick Foreman or prime Tyson over him any day but I'd still have to say his physical tools makes him a big risk for either of them. Good jab, hard right hand, Wlad is a real good fighter.

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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.

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Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...

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I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.

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.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.

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Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.

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It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.

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Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...

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I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.

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Wlad is an ok fighter he isn't great by any means yes he has skills and good jab but when i watch Wlad he has never shouted wow at me when i watch him i just see decent hw with a bad chin and he would get beat by Holmes Lewis Foreman Tyson i would give Ruddock a shot aswell.

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.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.

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Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.

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Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.

Ali (outboxes him and probably gets a late stoppage)
Holmes (outboxes him)
Liston (Ko's him)
Louis (Brutally Ko's him)
Forman (Almost gets charged with murder)
Lewis (This one is closed to those under 18)
Frazier (one good left hook ends it late unless wlad busts him open)
Tyson ( :-X )
Tunney (meh i'll give him this one)
Rocky (Uhhh yeah this one doesn't take long. Rock crushes glass ;D )

Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.