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I HATE YOU GLOBAL WARMING HIPPIES! I HATE THE BLUE MAN GROUP AND I HATE AL GORE!
You're all insane! And the next car I buy will be a Hummer that runs on baby seals!!!!
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I HATE YOU GLOBAL WARMING HIPPIES! I HATE THE BLUE MAN GROUP AND I HATE AL GORE!
You're all insane! And the next car I buy will be a Hummer that runs on baby seals!!!!
OK so if The Blue Man Group didn't piss you off how about these people???
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...yes Al Gore did the voice over
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...college kids beware!!!!!
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David Letterman has become a commie....the debate is over huh....OH ALBERT.........I DISAGREE!
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Maybe they would all be happy if it was -40 degrees and snowing every day!
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I really hate greenies....granola eatin hippies!
I'm not a hippy I'm about as right wing as they come !
But Bush and China's policy towards the enviroment fucking sucks !
Bush seem's to have a gung ho attitude to everything and the Ol Cowboy on the Range act wore thin the day before yesterday !
If you burn fuel it damages the enviroment andwhilst Al Gore's inconvinent truth might be a but overblown and far fetched ask yourself this Lyle .
What if he is only 5% right ?
I recycle everything , Cans ,Paper , Plastic Bottles ,Glass Bottles,Grass,Old Vegtables infact I'm sitting next to a big batch of things to take to the recycling centre right now !
It might not make any difference in the long run but then again it might make all the difference , thankfully alot of people in the Uk woke up a long time ago and are very concious of the enviroment which is a wholly good thing .
Closing yr eyes and burying your head in the ground whilst the Air gets poisoned and the Rainforrests get Chomped away might be the macho thing to do but it's actually a big fat Negative .
I would hate them too >:mad Less ozone= Less Sun protection which means your neck can get even redder baby!!!! ;D
:lolhaha: OH shite I got you good you Fuker... ;)
Well I don't think it's really plausable that humans are the only cause of Global Warming.....the Earth's climate is forever changing and who the hell is AL GORE to tell us that this climate is better than that climate or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
This Global Warming stuff reminds me of the people who say "Judgement Day is coming".....yes there are steps that can be taken to protect the environment....one of those is NUCLEAR ENERGY....but we haven't had a nuclear power plant built in 20 years because the same motherfucking hippies that whine about the environment don't want cleaner stronger more efficient fuel.
OK JT, suppose we did cause Global Warming...I guess the Ice Age was just a myth like Creationism huh
Al is always on about CO2....well let me tell you something buddy, the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn't cause the Earth to heat up....the Earth heating up causes more CO2 to be in the atmosphere.
Also as I have stated before ORBITAL FORCING has more of an affect on Global Warming than humans do....I'm not arguing that the climate isn't changing but I'm arguing the fact that Al Gore says HUMANS are the source of the warming.....saying we "are brewing killer hurricanes"....THAT'S BULLSHIT we can't MAKE WEATHER Al!
I was only ballbusting.... There are a myriad of things that screw the enviorment over, but Hugging a tree is not gonna prevent it
K.....I just really dislike the eco terrorists and people that free lobsters at the grocery store and force their views on the environment on everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I couldnt agree more.. I do my part... Recycle(the best I can), I dont litter.... I use natural Laundry detergent and fabric softener.. etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
That's right man, all you can control is YOU.
these Global Warming fanatics are a bunch of soy milk drinking fairies!
Lyle, i was making reference to the 'Im goona buy a big hummer ' post !
Global warming is a fact some argue that its the natural cycle of the earth but thts bullshit the commen consensous if that we are doing irreversiable damage to the planet !
The Ice age took hunreds if not thousands of years to take hold we are killing this planet at a far greater rate !
People far more educated than you ,me or Mr Bush know this and have measured it
Thats not an insult ,i hate these liberal fucksticks as much as you but i also can't stand listenin to Bush read from that ole so boring hym sheet thats just plain wrong and having him try to convince me otherwise .
We are slowly breaking down the Planets ability to defend and repair itself
I've seen pictures of industrialised Britian in the 18th centuraythrough to the 1950's ( when the clean air act was introduced anyway ) and it wasn't nice it was far more than an annoyance or just an irratant bad air KILLED
Now think China is the 2nd biggest Polluter behind the USA and its economy is growing at a Phenomenol rate it will soon overtake the US ( 20 years I'm told ) they have no real measures in place to prevent any kind of damage they happily chop down thousands of arces of forrest to build hydroelectric Dams and pollute without a care or concern
China is in the middle of the biggest Migration the world has ever seen, approx 300 million people are entering the citys from the countryside all of them requiring Electricity coming from Coal burning Power plants also all of these economic migrants of them using transport of some description , if the economy continues to boom that will mean Cars .
Thats 300 million Chinese that doesnt acoount for the other 700 million and all that in 20 years .
Frightening if you ask me .
If they are gaining as such a rate then i'd say thats making the problem twice as bad and in 20 years the problem will have escalated out of control and the planet will hav lost her ability to ever heal .
Thats my point
I agree with the hippys & Gore... but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
How dare you.
I saw the Blue Man Group in Vegas & liked them so much that I bought their DVD in the little shop on the way out the concert.
I read somewhere that baby seals grind down to 96 octane.
A thinner ozone layer just means we need to supe up our spf 40 to 400. There has been a large group of scientists who have not supported the global warming theory especially since 30 years ago (and you can look this up if you want) the same hippies were whinning that our destructive behavior was causing the world to COOL DOWN.
And at that time cars had been around for 60 some odd years and factories that were working had absolutely horrible envionmental control issues. The factors just blew smoke every where and the cars probably emitted enough toxins to cause a chemical weapon every time you started your car. So we reform the factories, the car emissions and rebuild some rain forests and now those people that wanted us to fix everything because we were causing the world to cool now want us to do more because our revised and improved look at the environment is causing it to heat up? BS. I'm not buying it. The ozone layer wass an issue but it is repairing itself since the cfc ban so thats no longer an issue either.
You can say the weather is shifting erradically all you want to. We have recorded weather patterns that let us predict what its gonna be like from day to day. Amazingly they still work in these times of "undeniable" change. This planet has been around for millions of years. The thing that makes life on this planet possible is a highly unstable ball of constant nuclear reactions (which in the very distant future will start fusing all the way up to iron instead of just hydrogen-helium which will cause it to expand to a much bigger size than it is right now but by that point, it will expand past the earth and swallow it into oblivion). If this planet would've formed a few miles away/closer to the sun or with alittle less tilt, we wouldn't be here.
Its a very delicate process that works on an unbelievable large scale. Thinking that we could alter this process "significantly" is very wishful thinking and kinda dumb to be honest. An 8 mile peice of rock could essentially end all life on this planet. And you think buying a gay looking car is gonna save the world? Trust me when its time for this thing to go there's nothing we can do about it, positively or negatively. Now i'm not saying theres zero consequences for dumping stuff in rivers. You gotta be smart but you can't be stupid at the same time. We couldn't fix or irreversibly damage this planet permantly even if we wanted to.
I don't think we're killing the Planet.....I've seen certain ecosystems go downhill because of logging and so on but to say we can affect the climate change which is supposed to occur over thousands of years and knock it down to 5-10 years is LUDACRIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Also to say we can kill a planet so fast is a bit crazy too.
Of course we're getting to the point where we need to be more responsible but need I remind you the same people saying SAVE THE EARTH and GLOBAL WARMING IS GOING TO KILL US ALL are the same people who kept us from building cleaner more efficient NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS.
So just call me a bit cautious when these radicals are trying to make a point
....also AL GORE says we "BREW HURRICANES".....yes we control the weather and honestly Al's set himself up to never be wrong.....too many hurricanes it's GLOBAL WARMING.....very few hurricanes and it's GLOBAL WARMING......floods, drought, snow storms, tornados, etc all caused not by the Earth and it's natural weather processes but by HUMANS and GLOBAL WARMING!!!!
Ok there's facts that the earth is warming. I'll buy that. Saying that its because of co2 in the atmosphere is ridiculous. First of all the earth is not a closed off structure like a greenhouse. Has anyone ever thought that maybe the reason greenhouses warm up is because of the sunlight and radiation that is concentrated on them? Now sure shifting the co2 levels would change the green house temperature a bit because its not the same air composition that the earths atmosphere has (71% nitrogen 20% some oxygen and 9% various other things. Thats not a dead on percentage but i'm 100% sure that its atleast 90% oxygen and nitrogen).
Now do you realize why theres so much co2 in a greenhouse? ITS BECAUSE PLANTS AND ALL CARBON BASED LIFE FORMS (you, your dog, that fly you just smashed will which now release even MORE co2 because its going to decay) EMIT CO2 AS A WASTE PRODUCT. Do you also realize that the concentration of plants in that closed off area is extreme? 75% of the earth is water and on the other 25% (which is land and covered by charles woodson) are billions of carbon based life forms that emit co2 during birth, life and death. So if co2 is the end all gas of doom burn down every planent and kill off every life form because as they continue to grow so will the co2 level (which isn't really that high right now).
Another thing, if you think we can irreversably damage that planet, what makes you think we can fix it? I can use one match and end up burning damn near an entire state. Stopping the fire would take several weeks of work from thousands of people just to stop the problem. Fixing the damage that was done by the fire would take years.
Venus is very highly concentrated in carbon dioxide we should blame its inhabitants for letting their planet get so shitty, oh wait there never were any.
My line of thought cc
The Earth has been around for a while....and people still think humans can just make everything die just by living their lives since the Industrial Revolution???
HIPPIES SUCK! Lazy bastards....go live in your commune and eat your granola and see if Grizzly Bears share your views on eating meat
also the co2 is an after thought if you were actually put on venus because you'd be able to ignore the 800 degree heat while hints of sulfuric acid in the air eat away at you skin, eyes, and lung tissue while you're simultaneously being crushed under pressure that is 80x greater than the surface of earth.
I'm doing my PhD on drought tolerance of cereals (specifically wheat) and while I'm in a related industry I'm not an extremist either way on this issue. You do need a balance though and while human populations increase it becomes harder to control.
Environmental issues do effect us. One example - when people built dams in South Australia and destroyed the native wetlands they caused the water table to rise in places elsewhere in the state. With the water came salt which has destroyed a lot of farming land. It continues to rise because native plants with deep root systems can't tolerate the salt to keep the water table low and more farming land is ruined. Our productivity decreases, farmers get poorer and poorer, our economy feels it and come a hard year like a drought we have a state of national crisis because farmers are committing suicide at the rate of one every 3 days. So over a few hundred years we have destroyed something. It doesn't have to be permanent but if we want to do whats best for ourselves the selfish thing to do is actually to consider the environment!
What I will say is we need to find a way to stop our continually increasing populations. Thanks to the green revolution when we introduced dwarf varieties of cereal crops our food production productivity has improved but as numbers keep rising and our ability to produce more food can't rise that quickly with it with out current technology there'll be more and more hungry people.
It's all a balance - if you don't brush your teeth occasionally you'll get festy and that's why it's important to do a bit here and there for the environment.
I'm aware of the global warming debate and I'm unsure of how bad it could become but we WILL eventually run out of oil and oil WILL continue to become more and more expensive so I think it'd be great to make other power sources more affordable and common place. Eventually we'll have to switch over.
I'm not a hippy but i do believe in sustainability. So many people think you are either for agriculture and productivity or a hippy - I say you need to be a little bit conscious of what you're doing if you want to keep getting what you need - food.
Also Punisher i think you'll find there's more CO2 in the atmosphere than Nitrogen. The earths atmosphere is closed off a little like a greenhouse because of the ozone layer and other gases in the upper atmosphere. Plants give off O2 as a product of Photosynthesis and consume CO2 while respiration of animals etc give off CO2. Actually raising concentrations of CO2 might be good for plants in the right climates. I don't believe the world will come to an end because of global warming but as a human race we might suffer a bit if we can't adjust.
Good post Sharla, its finding the balance as you say. If panama haddnt sprung up 12,000 years ago northern europe would still be in an Ice Age. Thank Christ it did, lets have a cheer for Panama.
Bullshit the composition of earths atmosphere (the air we breathe at ground level) on average contains 70% nitrogen. You'll find that on any website that has it listed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
http://www.met.fsu.edu/explores/atmcomp.html
after seeing this you'll realize just how much of a joke blaming co2 for global warming really is.
Carbon Dioxide 0.035%
I fully believe we coupld triple that number and it would have not catastrophic results. CO2 occurs naturally, and as it occurs naturally, there are things set up to naturally regulate its level.
Can anyone name me the single most devastating natural disaster over the past 20 years (since this global warming thing has aparently been kicked into high gear)? It was a Tsunami caused by an earthquake. Buy all the hybrid cars and cleaner gas you want, you're not gonna stop that. Tornados, Hurricanes, earthquakes, and extreme raining and drought periods have all been part of a natural cycle since the earth had a climate. Its not gonna stay the same temperature over the course of billions of years. During the time of the dinosaurs, there was no such thing as a polar ice cap. This has been proven by the finding of plant fossils in australia and antarctica that were around at approximately the same time.
Why is some water considered "fresh water" and some water considered "salt water" and how might the differences have come about?
During this time, the water reservoirs acted as sinks for the large amounts of carbon dioxide (as they do today) and through chemical and biological processes became locked up in sedimentary rocks as limestone. The nitrogen, which is not very chemically active continued to accumulate in the atmosphere. In addition, evidence exists that the Sun was stronger several billion years ago, strong enough to radiatively split (called photodissociation) water vapor molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen, being very light, escaped into space, while the heavier oxygen accumulated in the atmosphere.
These processes acting sequentially and simultaneously appear to have produced the delicate balance of 78% nitrogen (N2) and 21% oxygen (O2) we observe today.
There goes the theory that we're doing it directly, the theory that earth is closed off, and that we are even capable of dramatically altering our climate. It will rain, it will snow, and tornadoes will blow stuff around wether we like it or not.
As for gas becoming more expensive, they have found a new type of fossil fuel (ice hydrate, or something like that) that is noticeably more efficient in providing power but it also releases the devils breathe co2 :bawling: Research is ongoing to find feasible ways to extract this fuel while we are continuing research on fusion which won't be perfected for nearly another 50 years. There's been research suggesting that mass will shift into a new phase around the end of 2012 (which would make any current living needs obsolete as we would then exist in a 4d grid with time being the 4th dimension or something like that) but it remains to be seen if its really going to happen or not.
Thats what i meant (plant do releases co2 and nitrogen upon decaying like all the leaves during the fall and winter transition tho a majority take awhile to decay). Thats another thing that people don't get. During warming periods, the human race has excelled by being able to make more food and make several other advances in technology. I'm not saying we can just throw a bunch of nukes and spill acid wherever the hell we feel like it but saying we can severely alter the climate is a bit of a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
.....ooooh but punisher the Earth is dying it's talking to us....we must respect our Earth Mother :beat:
Dude the same shit has been going on since Roman times....the cult of Magna Mater....it literally translated means EARTH MOTHER....then the transcendentalists like Emerson and Thoreau....then the fucking hippy douchebags who drove around in the fucking VW Vans which get like -5 miles a gallon and they are telling ME that I AM KILLING THE EARTH.....naaaaaaaahhhh buddy I am FOR Nuclear Energy unlike YOU who want me to live in the forrest and eat grub worms and never wash my ass.......this Global Earth Day bullcrap will pass soon enough and we'll be back to polluting and not giving a fuck (which is wrong too but I don't have to listen to people bitch about it)
We're hardly polluting now do you realize how strict the emission standards are for these new cars and factories? Hell some of them dont need emission stickers because they're so clean. For the record australia is the biggest burner of coal per person so get off the US. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
.....it surprises me how few people realize how full of shit Al Gore is......cc Punisher, you're a good dude
I stand corrected Punisher - there is more N in the atmosphere than CO2 but do you really think CO2 is the only greenhouse gas - nitrous oxide is too :)
Plants will give off a lot more O2 than CO2 though since if they didn't they wouldn't be able to make carbohydrates etc which we eat and contributes to organic matter in the soil. It will eventually be emitted into the atmosphere again since everything's a cycle and NO I don't think CO2 is evil - the balance of a large number of gases makes the difference.
BTW I don't think this is just a problem for the USA and I don't even think global warming is the most urgent environmental problem we face - it's just more of a global issue.
Australia is a big user of fuel since our public transport system is s**t and we're very spread out. Thats what I mean about making other energy sources more affordable and available.
Why so angry Lyle? I know extremists can be a bit full on but accepting we might wanna keep an eye on the environment is not putting it all on you or the USA. All these big environmental issues are in no way the responsibility of a single person or country.
It's a lot to ask people to change their lifestyles completely when we're brought up to live a certain way without worrying about it. It's easier for wealthier people to buy environmentally friendly cars, electrical goods with a low energy rating and solar pannels. Realistically these things are not affordable enough for the average person and that needs to change.
Occasionally greenies talking about other issues annoy me too because some of them are not very balanced in their opinions. At the same time we'll shoot ourselves in the foot if we don't start to think about renewable resources. Do you really want to keep paying more and more for fuel because the supply is constantly reducing but the demand stays the same?
....actually Water Vapor is the biggest greenhouse gas but no one seems to want to factor that in
It's not really whats biggest though but what's increasing surely - if I want to make weight for a fight and it's harder than it used to be it's not the weight of my bones or water or muscle that's most likely to be the problem :-[ Same principle.
So anyway Lyle since you don't think global warming is the biggest issues and neither do I what do you think people SHOULD worry about more? Just curious :)
LyleQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Theres a deadspot in the gulf
Its been caused by fertilizers washed down the Mississippi
Its also causes a super heated Gulf,which is why any hurricane that hits the gulf ramps up
The Japanese are allready building flood surge walls
Sticking your fingers in your ear and saying "I DONT HEAR YOU" changes not one iota of that
And if anyone doesnt think man can affect their enviroment,I encourage you to spend an afternoon in LA
No coughing though,the locals view that as a sign of weakness
CC Monkey,
And if you think that what we do to the environment can't effect people then just visit a cancer ward in Australia.
My grandfather died from skin cancer which he wouldn't have if we didn't have a massive hole in our ozone layer.
It started off as a small cancer on his ear, they thought they took it all out but it cam back, spread through his brain and he had terrible hulicinations on his death bed - constant nightmares - not a nice way to go!
co2 doesn't emit heat. A box of co2 is the same temperature as a box of oxygen. There's a different cause to global warming and its not man made. Ever think maybe that huge highly unstable ball of fire that makes life down here possible might be acting up?
Which is of course why we've had record Hurricanes,off the chartQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Again,want to visit LA and tell me man doesnt affect his enviroment?
CO2 cause a blanket affect,that doesnt allow heat to escape back out
God you "We can keep doing whatever we want" crowd are simple
You know what the world freaking changes
PLio-s didnt exist for Ali
Dyna bands didnt exist for Jack Johnson
And yet you insist we need to keep relying on technology before either of then were born
OK here's a news flash for you (i know i'm simple so this probably won't make any sense), A gas cannot trap in heat. Saying that its holding in the heat energy from the sun implies that it must also be capable of blocking it from coming into the earths atmosphere in the first place. Heat/light can't go thru something and then when its reflected back up to it suddenly go "i know i just passed thru that but now i can't" Thats utter left wing unscientifically proven bullshit nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Why does Lyle talk in third person?
Nobody ever says CO2 emits heat. That's not how global warming works. Heat is held in the atmosphere longer since it radiates in but can not radiate out as easily because greenhouse gases prevent that.
It can pass through because it has higher energy on the way in. It naturally loses some energy in our atmosphere - too much to radiate through and out again. if gases can't hold heat how do you think a hot air balloon works? it doesn't hold it permanently but it does hold it for a while.
Theres also a giant fucking flame feeding into it constantly. But thats completely unrelated to the matter. Again i refer to the fact that our atmosphere only has .035% carbon diokide which when you figure that that amount is spread across the entire earth atmosphere its illogically to think that it can hold in any amount radiation from escaping. Ever see a co2 mirror? No and you never will because its utter bullshit. The ozone layer blocks radiation from both sides. The suns radiation is blocked as well as if we emitted some radiation up into space, the ozone layer would filter that too. Saying that weaker radiation can't go thru a gas is a load of crap. Either it goes thru both ways or is blocked both ways not just one way and then convienently kills off all life by making a death trap. ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharla
Its all scientifcally provenQuote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
What happens is it overheats the oceans the oceans provide gasses,that create more heat,that have no escape
Snows Of Kilaminjaro
Oh wait there arent any
Care to visit LA
Cmon
Face it your looking for an excuse to live a greedy lifestyle without any consequence and screw your kids