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Congratulations To The Ref
For ruining one of the greatest fights Ive seen in ages
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That was a good stoppage. Judah wouldve been down again within 10 seconds...he took a great beating. He was thankful to the ref to stop it.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
For ruining one of the greatest fights Ive seen in ages
I guess you are referring to the stoppage?
I wanted to see Cotto destroy Corley and it was stopped :(
I wanted to see Cotto finish Judah off but it was stopped.
I did not hear Zab complain about the stoppage.
Both these fighters mentioned above were saved. Corley/Judah.
Judah taking a knee then getting dropped on his azz and his back.
He was toast.
Judah got owned. Judah was just looking for that hail mary.
Tisk tisk tisk. Cotto's glass chin was glued together pretty good :)
I wanted a war and I got it.
These are the kinds of fights I love to see.
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2 steps,3 punches,1 blocked does not exactly equal a defensless barrage.
It was an absolute crap stoppage
Hey lets just get rid of the 3 knockdown rule
It never comes up anyway
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It was a very good stoppage. Judah wsa just surviving...barely. The ref did a great job the whole fight.
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i see there's no pleasing some people. if the ref would have let Zab get trapped on the ropes and hit with 10 unanswered blows, they be calling for the ref to get fired...lol.
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
i see there's no pleasing some people. if the ref would have let Zab get trapped on the ropes and hit with 10 unanswered blows, they be calling for the ref to get fired...lol.
If that had happened,Id have been fine with the stoppage
3 punches,1 blocked,is not a barrage
If Judah was that badly hurt,why let him continue after the knockdown?
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I thought it was a tad iffy at the very instant, but with hinsight based on Judah having no objection to it, the stoppage was fine imo. Zab wasn't going to win, though I did think he deserved the chance to finish the fight based on the heart he had shown so far, assuming he could have fought on. Either way the ref should have perhaps let it keep going.. If Zab had taken another flurry on the ropes then sure, stop it.. But like I say, he wasn't about to win, Cotto took anything he had already just fine.
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rematch??? OR should they both have a few more fights before that ???
Anyway, if anyone says Cotto stays in with Mayweather after this fight is wrong imo. I don't think Cotto could make it past Oscar at 154
He did impress me tonight. I just hope the HC Judah fans don't say that it was because of Cotto's low blow
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Im not a fan of either
But if it continues,Zab has a punchers chance
It was too quick a stoppage,allow either fighter to say they got it clean
If it had gone to the cards,Cotto has it,but let it go.
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if Zab's not saying it was too quick, can anyone really complain? we all know if Zab thought it was even a lil too quick, he would be bitchin and crying conspiracy. i always thought if the fighter is ok with the stoppage, it was a good stoppage.
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You guy are forgetting the last time Mercante was in a televised fight a fighter died (can't remember fighter right now). He is not about to let someone gut hit more than necesary. Although I think Judah deserved to finish, it was a good stoppage.
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
if Zab's not saying it was too quick, can anyone really complain? we all know if Zab thought it was even a lil too quick, he would be bitchin and crying conspiracy. i always thought if the fighter is ok with the stoppage, it was a good stoppage.
After the 8th round your happy its over,one way or another
Wait till tommorrow
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even cotto said he felt like zab could have continued...it was early but judah didn't argue neither was he throwing enough punches..so oh well..but on a sad note tarver won and got to run his big mouth again....
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
2 steps,3 punches,1 blocked does not exactly equal a defensless barrage.
It was an absolute crap stoppage
Hey lets just get rid of the 3 knockdown rule
It never comes up anyway
thats this bullshit state that used it all night, but it wasnt in the main event, that was on wba rules
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
even cotto said he felt like zab could have continued...it was early but judah didn't argue neither was he throwing enough punches..so oh well..but on a sad note tarver won and got to run his big mouth again....
When the ref stopped the fight he hugged Judah and told him that he loved him way too much to let this continue.
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I can't believe this sh*t is even an issue on this fight. Bullsh*t stoppage?!? What was the ref going to have to wait for? For Cotto to splatter Judah all over the ring? Judah had been flat on his back seconds before, and was suffering a hellacious, systematic beating. How can this be called a bullsh*t stoppage?
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Originally Posted by EastonAssassin
if Zab's not saying it was too quick, can anyone really complain? we all know if Zab thought it was even a lil too quick, he would be bitchin and crying conspiracy. i always thought if the fighter is ok with the stoppage, it was a good stoppage.
I agree. That was not an early stoppage. It was stopped well.
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My only problem with the ref was he was too vocal throughout and too engaged in conversing with the fighters, I think at times it took both fighters out of their rythm.
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Originally Posted by global
My only problem with the ref was he was too vocal throughout and too engaged in conversing with the fighters, I think at times it took both fighters out of their rythm.
The ref did his job.
The ref knows Judah.
More distraction it was for Cotto who does not understand English all that well.
But to me that is what a ref is supposed to do. Make sure he is obeyed.
Was this not the same Ref in Judah/Baldomir? It was.
You thought the ref was vocal last night? You should have seen and heard him in the Baldomir/Judah fight. It was rather comical.
I like this ref. He had Zab's number.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
2 steps,3 punches,1 blocked does not exactly equal a defensless barrage.
It was an absolute crap stoppage
Hey lets just get rid of the 3 knockdown rule
It never comes up anyway
Come on Monkey i like you as poster but this was good stoppage Judah was getting badly beating and i mean badly his eye was almost closed shut he got floored and if ref would of let it gone on 3 more seconds Judah may not have been able to fight again Judah had no complaints and neither should you.
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Zab didn't seem to mind the fight being stopped.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
2 steps,3 punches,1 blocked does not exactly equal a defensless barrage.
It was an absolute crap stoppage
Hey lets just get rid of the 3 knockdown rule
It never comes up anyway
Come on Monkey i like you as poster but this was good stoppage Judah was getting badly beating and i mean badly his eye was almost closed shut he got floored and if ref would of let it gone on 3 more seconds Judah may not have been able to fight again Judah had no complaints and neither should you.
Bates Golata was a good stoppage
Both fighters went to war in this one,it was a great fight,they deserved better then that stoppage,Cotto only landed two unawnsered blows,after the knockdown.
Why even let Judah get back up if your going to pull the plug that fast.
Judah was trying to get out of the way,those werent crushing blows by anymeans,and Judah did manage to block a shot.
That was an absolutely beautiful war in there,and it ended the wrong way.
Do I think Judah was going to win,no he stopped letting his hands go in the later rounds,but if he had managed to slip out of range and survive the round,he still had a punchers chance.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
2 steps,3 punches,1 blocked does not exactly equal a defensless barrage.
It was an absolute crap stoppage
Hey lets just get rid of the 3 knockdown rule
It never comes up anyway
Come on Monkey i like you as poster but this was good stoppage Judah was getting badly beating and i mean badly his eye was almost closed shut he got floored and if ref would of let it gone on 3 more seconds Judah may not have been able to fight again Judah had no complaints and neither should you.
Bates Golata was a good stoppage
Both fighters went to war in this one,it was a great fight,they deserved better then that stoppage,Cotto only landed two unawnsered blows,after the knockdown.
Why even let Judah get back up if your going to pull the plug that fast.
Judah was trying to get out of the way,those werent crushing blows by anymeans,and Judah did manage to block a shot.
That was an absolutely beautiful war in there,and it ended the wrong way.
Do I think Judah was going to win,no he stopped letting his hands go in the later rounds,but if he had managed to slip out of range and survive the round,he still had a punchers chance.
Give it up, TM. The man did his job, and the telling factor is that Judah did not protest all that much.
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Nope,still hate the stoppage
Klitschko/Lewis,I hated the stoppage(because I thought Klitschko was winning)but Ill be the first to admit,it had to be pulled,he was just bleeding way too bad
Adamek/Pineda yesterday was a perfectly good stoppage
Bates yesterday is the hometown boy,but that was a perfectly good stoppage
Last night wasnt,and it was way too good of a fight to end like that
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The fact is, when you're watching such a good, action-packed fight, you hate to see it end, no matter how the stoppage occurs. Maybe that has some bearing on how you feel. It's understandable. I myself was rooting for Cotto all the way, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of that unbelievable action. But in all fairness, Judah had taken a brutal beating and it was only going to get worse.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
The fact is, when you're watching such a good, action-packed fight, you hate to see it end, no matter how the stoppage occurs. Maybe that has some bearing on how you feel. It's understandable. I myself was rooting for Cotto all the way, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of that unbelievable action. But in all fairness, Judah had taken a brutal beating and it was only going to get worse.
and seeing how trainer monkey greatly opposes 15 round title fights, he should not have a problem with a proper stoppage.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
The fact is, when you're watching such a good, action-packed fight, you hate to see it end, no matter how the stoppage occurs. Maybe that has some bearing on how you feel. It's understandable. I myself was rooting for Cotto all the way, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of that unbelievable action. But in all fairness, Judah had taken a brutal beating and it was only going to get worse.
2 punches off a knockdown is two soon,now if Judah doesnt get out of there,and Cotto keeps tagging him,oh well it happens,and frankly I really dont like Judah.But that was way too soon.
Hell he never would have gotten tagged for the knockdown if hed listened to his corner and started letting his hands go more.
Nope sorry,no fan reaction to that,just a fight fans reaction,I didnt have a horse in the race,other then it had been a GREAT fight
There was a hell of a heavyweight brawl on the undercard of the Adamek fight that got stopped for a cut,no tears on that.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
The fact is, when you're watching such a good, action-packed fight, you hate to see it end, no matter how the stoppage occurs. Maybe that has some bearing on how you feel. It's understandable. I myself was rooting for Cotto all the way, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of that unbelievable action. But in all fairness, Judah had taken a brutal beating and it was only going to get worse.
2 punches off a knockdown is two soon,now if Judah doesnt get out of there,and Cotto keeps tagging him,oh well it happens,and frankly I really dont like Judah.But that was way too soon.
Hell he never would have gotten tagged for the knockdown if hed listened to his corner and started letting his hands go more.
Nope sorry,no fan reaction to that,just a fight fans reaction,I didnt have a horse in the race,other then it had been a GREAT fight
There was a hell of a heavyweight brawl on the undercard of the Adamek fight that got stopped for a cut,no tears on that.
If the referee thinks the fighter is on shaky ground, he might have the guy on a short leash and if he doesn't bounce back quickly, it will be stopped almost everytime.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
The fact is, when you're watching such a good, action-packed fight, you hate to see it end, no matter how the stoppage occurs. Maybe that has some bearing on how you feel. It's understandable. I myself was rooting for Cotto all the way, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of that unbelievable action. But in all fairness, Judah had taken a brutal beating and it was only going to get worse.
2 punches off a knockdown is two soon,now if Judah doesnt get out of there,and Cotto keeps tagging him,oh well it happens,and frankly I really dont like Judah.But that was way too soon.
Hell he never would have gotten tagged for the knockdown if hed listened to his corner and started letting his hands go more.
Nope sorry,no fan reaction to that,just a fight fans reaction,I didnt have a horse in the race,other then it had been a GREAT fight
There was a hell of a heavyweight brawl on the undercard of the Adamek fight that got stopped for a cut,no tears on that.
Well, this is one of those cases where we'll just agree to disagree. Judah had: taken a knee on his own, been knocked flat on his back with a three or four punch combination, and his right eye was rapidly closing. His "puncher's chance", as you put it, vanished several rounds earlier when the fight moved into the later rounds, and Cotto just kept on boring in, punishing Judah like he'd never been punished before. It's easy for us to second guess the ref, from the comfort of your living room. But from Mercante's vantage point, he felt he'd seen enough, and Judah went quietly.
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What difference would it of made if it would of been stopped 10 seconds later ?? nothing would of changed Judah was already beaten to a pulp Judah had no complaints so why should you ?? if Judah thought it was bad stoppage believe me a guy like Judah would say if he had a problem with the stoppage but he had no complaints if it would of gone on he could of been seriously injured right stoppage end of.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
The fact is, when you're watching such a good, action-packed fight, you hate to see it end, no matter how the stoppage occurs. Maybe that has some bearing on how you feel. It's understandable. I myself was rooting for Cotto all the way, and wouldn't have minded seeing more of that unbelievable action. But in all fairness, Judah had taken a brutal beating and it was only going to get worse.
2 punches off a knockdown is two soon,now if Judah doesnt get out of there,and Cotto keeps tagging him,oh well it happens,and frankly I really dont like Judah.But that was way too soon.
Hell he never would have gotten tagged for the knockdown if hed listened to his corner and started letting his hands go more.
Nope sorry,no fan reaction to that,just a fight fans reaction,I didnt have a horse in the race,other then it had been a GREAT fight
There was a hell of a heavyweight brawl on the undercard of the Adamek fight that got stopped for a cut,no tears on that.
If the referee thinks the fighter is on shaky ground, he might have the guy on a short leash and if he doesn't bounce back quickly, it will be stopped almost everytime.
2 short of a leash
Speaking of stoppages though,the heavyweight brawl from yesterday in Poland was Preskar/Gathright bit of a suprise considering Gathrights record,but that was a freaking war
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
What difference would it of made if it would of been stopped 10 seconds later ?? nothing would of changed Judah was already beaten to a pulp Judah had no complaints so why should you ?? if Judah thought it was bad stoppage believe me a guy like Judah would say if he had a problem with the stoppage but he had no complaints if it would of gone on he could of been seriously injured right stoppage end of.
Ask Diego Corrales
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
What difference would it of made if it would of been stopped 10 seconds later ?? nothing would of changed Judah was already beaten to a pulp Judah had no complaints so why should you ?? if Judah thought it was bad stoppage believe me a guy like Judah would say if he had a problem with the stoppage but he had no complaints if it would of gone on he could of been seriously injured right stoppage end of.
Ask Diego Corrales
Its a fine line to walk tho. You don't know if the guys gonna get up and put on a classic comeback or fall back down and never get up again. Its a tough judgement call. From the fighters stand point of course you wanna go on but from the managers and families view, they'd rather you be safe and be able to fight another day.
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
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Originally Posted by global
My only problem with the ref was he was too vocal throughout and too engaged in conversing with the fighters, I think at times it took both fighters out of their rythm.
The ref did his job.
The ref knows Judah.
More distraction it was for Cotto who does not understand English all that well.
But to me that is what a ref is supposed to do. Make sure he is obeyed.
Was this not the same Ref in Judah/Baldomir? It was.
You thought the ref was vocal last night? You should have seen and heard him in the Baldomir/Judah fight. It was rather comical.
I like this ref. He had Zab's number.
No doubt it was Zabs fault for being so effected by it, or just looking for the ref to help out. My point is it probably took both fighters out of their element to a degree. As far as the stoppage and only taking a point away, the ref was on point. It wasn't one of those Vic Draculich matches where he messed the fight up.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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What difference would it of made if it would of been stopped 10 seconds later ?? nothing would of changed Judah was already beaten to a pulp Judah had no complaints so why should you ?? if Judah thought it was bad stoppage believe me a guy like Judah would say if he had a problem with the stoppage but he had no complaints if it would of gone on he could of been seriously injured right stoppage end of.
Ask Diego Corrales
Its a fine line to walk tho. You don't know if the guys gonna get up and put on a classic comeback or fall back down and never get up again. Its a tough judgement call. From the fighters stand point of course you wanna go on but from the managers and families view, they'd rather you be safe and be able to fight another day.
But if he was going to cut it that short,why restart it at all.If he didnt like the look in his eyes when he got up,or how he stepped to him,call it there,why allow it to restart,and call it on two punches
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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What difference would it of made if it would of been stopped 10 seconds later ?? nothing would of changed Judah was already beaten to a pulp Judah had no complaints so why should you ?? if Judah thought it was bad stoppage believe me a guy like Judah would say if he had a problem with the stoppage but he had no complaints if it would of gone on he could of been seriously injured right stoppage end of.
Ask Diego Corrales
Its a fine line to walk tho. You don't know if the guys gonna get up and put on a classic comeback or fall back down and never get up again. Its a tough judgement call. From the fighters stand point of course you wanna go on but from the managers and families view, they'd rather you be safe and be able to fight another day.
But if he was going to cut it that short,why restart it at all.If he didnt like the look in his eyes when he got up,or how he stepped to him,call it there,why allow it to restart,and call it on two punches
I dunno. I think what he did was the best option tho. Give him some time (i realize you think 2 punches was too soon) and see if he can start a comeback but keep him ona short leash so he doesn't have to take a lot of unnessasary hits. Cotto was ahead on the scorecards and was probably about to finish it properly soon anyway.
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I like the old rules better. If you can get up, you can fight. Stay down if you don't want to fight anymore.
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
What difference would it of made if it would of been stopped 10 seconds later ?? nothing would of changed Judah was already beaten to a pulp Judah had no complaints so why should you ?? if Judah thought it was bad stoppage believe me a guy like Judah would say if he had a problem with the stoppage but he had no complaints if it would of gone on he could of been seriously injured right stoppage end of.
Ask Diego Corrales
I don't get what your trying to say here if your on about Corrales vs Castillo that was still an even fight Judah vs Cotto wasn't Judah was taking a beating Corrales was even all the way with Castillo Judah wasn't thats difference Judah had no chance of winning just realize it Judah didn't have no problems im surprised anyone thinks the stoppage was premature.
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For ruining one of the greatest fights Ive seen in ages
Cotto reminds me of Pipino Cuevas pre-Hearns in that he not only beats his opponets...he crunches them. Ask Paulie.
