Cotto still can't beat Mayweather.

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

Didnt you say Judah would beat Cotto? I see why you don't enter prediction contests or anything :D ;) ;) And Oscar would get wrecked by Cotto at this stage in their careers. Although I agree,if you're trying to say PBF would be favourite ,because. Although you don't need 1 punch power to beat Floyd. Going by the Osar fight,jba,body work and high activity would make the fight close,and Cotto has the 3 things in abundance at 147.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

No one thought Castillo would either yet he gave Mayweather two very hard fights and Cotto hits harder than Castillo and is better fighter.

I agree. I thought Judah would beat Cotto...but hindsight being 20/20 and all..I expected Judah to let his hands go which he only did 3 times the whole fight.

People point to Zab's speed and power. They say Zab is faster and more powerful then floyd..

Well, Floyd puts his punches together, DOESN'T get shaken mentally, and has the speed/timing to create big problems for Cotto. Like you said constant offensive output...something cotto did not have to worry about with Judah.

Cotto is great b/c he breaks down his opponents. But he has to dictate the pace in order to do so. Mayweather would never let Cotto get into a rhythm. Mayweather would let his hands go the whole 12 rounds it would take him to win UD.


I like Cotto..it will be interesting to see how he does against Margarito/Williams...guys who have abnormal size and punch output.


Cotto is the center of the boxing world right now. There are so many great fights that can be made which revolve around him. A lot of very challenging fights are ahead of him.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

No one thought Castillo would either yet he gave Mayweather two very hard fights and Cotto hits harder than Castillo and is better fighter.

---

That is true but castillo plowed ahead and did not give mayweather any breathing room. Cotto is a little more methodical in his ring stalking...floyd is good at slipping out of small gaps..i dont see how anyone could smother him as much as castillo did. But good point.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Didnt you say Judah would beat Cotto? I see why you don't enter prediction contests or anything :D ;) ;) And Oscar would get wrecked by Cotto at this stage in their careers. Although I agree,if you're trying to say PBF would be favourite ,because. Although you don't need 1 punch power to beat Floyd. Going by the Osar fight,jba,body work and high activity would make the fight close,and Cotto has the 3 things in abundance at 147.

---

No, I didn't, I gave Cotto the odds. I said that Zab had a chance. Oscar would not get wrecked by Cotto. He is faster, more skilled, and hits harder.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

No one thought Castillo would either yet he gave Mayweather two very hard fights and Cotto hits harder than Castillo and is better fighter.

---

He is not a better fighter. Castillo was a better inside fighter, better chin, and he used a lot more head movement. People have being using Castillo for why Oscar and Baldomir would beat Mayweather, and neither came close IMO. Oscar gave him a good fight, but Oscar is better than Cotto. I respect Cotto a lot more after this fight, and he proved he is good, but I think all this stuff about Mayweather ducking him, Margarito, etc. is premature.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

No one thought Castillo would either yet he gave Mayweather two very hard fights and Cotto hits harder than Castillo and is better fighter.

---

He is not a better fighter. Castillo was a better inside fighter, better chin, and he used a lot more head movement. People have being using Castillo for why Oscar and Baldomir would beat Mayweather, and neither came close IMO. Oscar gave him a good fight, but Oscar is better than Cotto. I respect Cotto a lot more after this fight, and he proved he is good, but I think all this stuff about Mayweather ducking him, Margarito, etc. is premature.

---

Well i didn't use those Reasons Baldo was slow and light hitter and Oscar isn't the kind of inside fighter to give Mayweather those problems he is more of an outside fighter im not saying Cotto would win he would probably lose but im just saying Cottos body shots are damaging blows and if he can get close to Mayweather like Castillo did im not sure if Mayweather can take them body shots.

Cotto is very good but against Mayweather he would be shown up in all areas.
This would be a UD for Floyd, Cotto would have to land several big shots to have a chance and
I don't see him landing any on PBF.

To beat De La Hoya,all you need to do at this stage in his career is block the left hook. When he was younger,he was an always improving tremendous fighter whos' right hand was improving,excellent jab,footwork etc. He seems to have lost alot of that now so thats why I believe Cotto would be too much for him. And Cotto would hurt him to the body. Lil Floyd made his kneed buckle twice,Cotto hits harder. However,if Cotto did get hit by a left hook,it could be lights out although I'd like to think he would not be that careless.

(my bad,I thought yuo chose Judah,must have been FrozenSOlid,you2 have the same opinion on nearly everthing!!))

Also,styles make fights,Oscar is a better fighter than JLC but JLC gave Floyd a much tougher fight because like I said,Oscar is not a pressure fighter and it showed. Cotto uses intense pressure.(and you're just making excuses because you and I both know Floyd would never fight Cotto ;D ;))

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

No one thought Castillo would either yet he gave Mayweather two very hard fights and Cotto hits harder than Castillo and is better fighter.

---

I've said it before... but I don't see how the Castillo fights hold much relevance anymore. That was 5 loooooong years ago. Floyd is a much different (and better) fighter than he was then.

Cotto could give Floyd a very tough fight, but it would have nothing to do with Jose Luis Castillo.

Floyd found out what he did wrong with Castillo and has never done it since....stand and fight, he's been pot shotting and running ever since

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd found out what he did wrong with Castillo and has never done it since....stand and fight, he's been pot shotting and running ever since

---

Another inaccurate statement.

With Cotto's power, bodypunching and heart I can see him beating Floyd.

Cotto is a decent fighter but he can't beat floyd 4 a few reasons:
1- He is too slow hand and footwise.
2-His defense is lacking. judah hit him whenever he threw. the only problem was he didn't throw enough.

floyd is too fast and boxes too well 4 cotto . I can see floyd potshotting him into frustration and maybe stoppin him late.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

Can you please lead me to the person who thinks Cotto can beat PBF so I can back hand them.

Even I a Cotto die hard fan can tell you PBF beat him.

Your not just coming out on this end cause you were rooting for Zab, are you?
Let me go have a look at your prediction. brb....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd found out what he did wrong with Castillo and has never done it since....stand and fight, he's been pot shotting and running ever since

---

Another inaccurate statement.

---

Oh yes, my mistake FLOYD Mayweather Jr.....yeah he's a brawler with huge punching power and a heart of gold......a humble man, dedicating his life's work to helping the poor children of Chechnya



:beat:

I don't want to second guess. LET THIS FIGHT HAPPEN! Cotto has called out...Mayweather please accept! This could be the fight of the decade!

I think Floyd beats Cotto.
I'd like to see Floyd fight either a rematch with DLH or take on Mosley while Cotto faces the winner of Margarito/ Williams.

If Cotto comes into a Floyd bout on the tail ofvictories over Judah & Margarito & Mayweather defeats DLH or Mosley the fight will definitely be huge!!!

Cotto will walk forward all nite to try and stop Floyd cause there is no way he can outbox him.But he carnt land enough punches on him and he runs out of rounds. A UD win for PBF.

Cotto would be an easy night for mayweather......

I a die hard Floyd fan, would be foolish to tell you a fight with Cotto would be an easy nites work.. Cotto has heart, determination and is visicious with machine like presicion... He would have to defend better and cut off the ring effectively. If he can stay relentless and move forward throwing than he has a good shot at beating Floyd.

If he dosent throw while moving forward he will be like the zombie Floyd turns the majority of his opponents into. just contantly following Floyd and eating shots while coming in.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

you rate mayweather wayyy to high to say cotto can't beat him... i would sure as hellpick mayweather to win, but no way would he win ever round NO WAY, it would be a close damn fight too and cotto has a good chance to win...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

I do not think Cotto can beat Mayweather also, but Cotto has that quality where he makes the impossible happen. That is a great quality. But I do think that Mayweather will not give him the opportunity to make anything happen. He will turn Cotto into the same fighter he turns all guys who fight him into which are swarming guys who miss.

Some here may be rating pbf a little high...but i think all the hoopla about cotto is way higher.....two months ago we wouldn't even be putting cotto's name and mayweathers in the same sentence now he beats judah...which damn near everybody has and he is in any way a challenge for mayweather...would he win every round no, cotto is good at what he does but against pbf it wouldn't matter....just like they hyped baldomir, gatti, etc...the end result for a strong puncher that is that much slower than pbf is always the same. Easy UD for floyd. Don't let cotto's last fight fool you, but at least cotto wouldn't be using all this i was injured, drugged, molested as a child excuses

I have become a big fan of Cotto. Me being from PR and all, I just can't help but feed off of his energy and relentlessness in the ring.

I love the fact that Puerto Rico has another big name to cheer. But he does have a few problems that he can't help. He is small for a WW, he does not have the best defense and he does not take a punch that well.

These factors make me believe that he will have serious trouble with Margarito or Williams. Both of them tall, hard hitting welterweights. Williams in particular is a very active puncher which would be a serious problem for Cotto.

I don't think anybody can beat Floyd at this time. If anybody has a chance, it might...MIGHT be Mosley. But I'm not really sure he can do it eather.

The funny thing is, I think Cotto might be able to beat Mosley. He comes to fight and has good speed and power. But he is about the same size as Cotto and has always been more of a looping puncher. Cotto's relentless pressure and body attack would cause problems to anybody and if he keeps his hands up and his chin tucked like he does, he might neutralize Mosley's offense. Cotto also has a real good Jab (you saw how effective it was last Saturday) and this could give him a lot of trouble.

Like they say styles make fights so in the end I think....

Cotto can beat Mosley who can beat PBF who can beat Margo/Williams who can beat Cotto. ::** :-\ ???

yeah i think PBF would KO cotto but i still have alot of respect for cotto.

Cotto put on a great show and I love watching him fight.... but I can't see him beating Mayweather.

I think Floyd would be able to land punches at will against Cotto, and Floyd isn't going to let Cotto hit him over and over again like Zab allowed Miguel to do.

It's not a good style matchup for Cotto. Everyone always says that the way to beat a speed/defense fighter like Floyd is to have him face a straight-ahead body puncher like Cotto (or Hatton). And that's wrong. The type of fighter that could give Floyd trouble is a tall, rangy fighter with a long jab. Paul Williams hasn't proven anything yet, so I'm not using him as an example, but someone of his body type can give a guy like Floyd more problems than someone with short arms like Cotto. Think Vernon Forrest in his prime, someone with that type of body has more of a chance at an upset against a fighter like Floyd.

I think Cotto would cause PBF alot of problems. He has so much heart and hits hard. PBF would be everyones favorite due to speed and running away but this has to be both of their next fights!

i would love to think cotto could beat mayweather but it wouldn't happen. mayweather moves , jabs and counters cotto to win a decision

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lyle

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lyle

Floyd found out what he did wrong with Castillo and has never done it since....stand and fight, he's been pot shotting and running ever since

---

Another inaccurate statement.

---

Oh yes, my mistake FLOYD Mayweather Jr.....yeah he's a brawler with huge punching power and a heart of gold......a humble man, dedicating his life's work to helping the poor children of Chechnya



:beat:

---

Um I disagree with both statements. Mayweather took the fight to Corley, Ndou, Brusseles post Castillo. I just think he knows not to fight inside with a good inside fighter. He fought Baldomir more on the inside than people give him credit for, and he allowed Oscar to have him on the ropes. If Mayweather had wanted to he could have made it look more like the second Castillo fight.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Taeth

I'm sorry, but Baldomir also looked against Zab, and he couldn't win around against PBF. I think PBF wins for all the reasons Zab loses against these guys. He is way better off the ropes, he doesn't get sloppy defensively, and he maintains his sharpness. I saw Cotto had a lot of trouble with Zab's speed at times, but Zab couldn't maintain a consistant pace offensively. ALso this fight IMO proved that COtto isn't a huge one punch guy who could knock Mayweather. I see Oscar beating Cotto, and I still see Mayweather handing it to Cotto.

---

Can you please lead me to the person who thinks Cotto can beat PBF so I can back hand them.

Even I a Cotto die hard fan can tell you PBF beat him.

Your not just coming out on this end cause you were rooting for Zab, are you?
Let me go have a look at your prediction. brb....

---

Was I rooting for Zab Judah? I don't remember saying that. I don't like Zab Judah, and actually like Cotto a lot more than him. I know whats good for the sport I love, and thats Judah getting beaten. A lot of people are saying that Cotto gives Mayweather a tough fight at the very least, but I am disagreeing. Maybe you have a lot more common sense than some people?

A few things:
1) Cotto vs Mayweather would be a very good fight BUT it would be like the one we saw on May 5th. We all know what Floyd will do, throw 1-2 combinations ( very seldom ) and use the right, right, right, right, right, right, right (one punch at a time). If Cotto walks through these, like I think he would, it's bye bye Mayweather because it's going to be like Castillo on CRACK!!! Cotto doesn't tire easily and he can hurt you to the body. Unfortunately, I don't think Mayweather will get KOed since he will RUN like never before once he's hurt.

2) Cotto vs De La Hoya...Prime De La Hoya beats Cotto in 3 rounds. The 34 year old DLH beats him in 8, are we forgetting Oscar does well against fighters that charge him? If that left hook lands ,and it will since Cotto's defense is average at best, it's BUENAS NOCHES senor Cotto. This would be a GREAT fight though. I still wouldn't count Cotto out since he WANTS to win every time. If Oscar uses his jab more than the Floyd fight he wins in less than 8 rounds.

Of course Cotto can not beat Mayweather Jr. How can he beat Mayweather Jr. is retired and only want's to fight Oscar De La Hoya.

How can you beat a man who wont fight you?

Tony will never beat Mayweather Jr. either.
Because Floyd wont fight him.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MRMANICK

Cotto is a decent fighter but he can't beat floyd 4 a few reasons:
1- He is too slow hand and footwise.
2-His defense is lacking. judah hit him whenever he threw. the only problem was he didn't throw enough.

floyd is too fast and boxes too well 4 cotto . I can see floyd potshotting him into frustration and maybe stoppin him late.

---

I don't know, correct me If I'm wrong. The last time I saw PBF fought DLH, the former was not really good. It was unfortunate for DLH not being able to knockdown PBF but I still think PBF is overrated..... JUst my honest opinion. I don't disagree that PBF is good but his win over DLH was not convincing..... again, in my opinion.

I wasn't impressed with Oscar or Floyd in their fight either. I noticed Floyd's eye was puffed up some. Not sure what he got hit with, because Oscar wasn't throwing much. Either was Floyd for that matter.

Floyd and Cotto both faced Sosa and Judah. Floyd went the distance and looked good, but Cotto took it up a notch (BAM! BAM! BAM!) and stopped both Sosa and Judah.

Floyd loses against Cotto. Cotto does well against these fighters who are "too fast". He comes to fight.

I'd rather see Cotto fight another fighter who comes to fight. Clottey, Margarito, Mosely. However, if Floyd decides to come out of retirement to fight Cotto (which I doubt will happen) I will shell out the cost of the PPV to see it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by belak

Cotto does well against these fighters who are "too fast".

---

Like who? Zab Judah?

Floyd's style is completely different from Zab's.

Cotto would struggle against PBF, who would find an answer to Cotto very quickly.
It would be a UD for PBF, I can see a swollen Cotto face at the end of twelve frustrating rounds.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by belak

Cotto does well against these fighters who are "too fast".

---

Like who? Zab Judah?

Floyd's style is completely different from Zab's.

---

I think he was referring to speed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

I have become a big fan of Cotto. Me being from PR and all, I just can't help but feed off of his energy and relentlessness in the ring.

I love the fact that Puerto Rico has another big name to cheer. But he does have a few problems that he can't help. He is small for a WW, he does not have the best defense and he does not take a punch that well.

These factors make me believe that he will have serious trouble with Margarito or Williams. Both of them tall, hard hitting welterweights. Williams in particular is a very active puncher which would be a serious problem for Cotto.

I don't think anybody can beat Floyd at this time. If anybody has a chance, it might...MIGHT be Mosley. But I'm not really sure he can do it eather.

The funny thing is, I think Cotto might be able to beat Mosley. He comes to fight and has good speed and power. But he is about the same size as Cotto and has always been more of a looping puncher. Cotto's relentless pressure and body attack would cause problems to anybody and if he keeps his hands up and his chin tucked like he does, he might neutralize Mosley's offense. Cotto also has a real good Jab (you saw how effective it was last Saturday) and this could give him a lot of trouble.

Like they say styles make fights so in the end I think....

Cotto can beat Mosley who can beat PBF who can beat Margo/Williams who can beat Cotto. ::** :-\ ???

---

Really liked that post mate. :coolclick: