Re: What happened to the WBA
actual what surprises me is how the WBO has been around for almost 20 years and the champions are somewhat recognized. Hamed was champ there for awhile wasn't he? And Calzaghe. The WBO has to be a recognized belt now.
Re: What happened to the WBA
The WBO has come along way. I rank the credibility of the titles as follows:
1) The Ring
2) WBC
3) IBF
4) WBA
5) WBO
6) IBO
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The WBO has come along way. I rank the credibility of the titles as follows:
1) The Ring
2) WBC
3) IBF
4) WBA
5) WBO
6) IBO
I would rank the same just leaving the IBO out of it. I think the 4 belts WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO are now the real belts.. I figure the WBO has to be legit now after 19 years.
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As far as how todays day goes.
I agree with you two in the order you listed them. (Except for the IBO belt)
But let's be honest here they have ALL at one point or another done some wack ass shit! wether it was stripping a fighter for some stupid reason or their rankings.
Take the highly regarded WBC belt (some of you already where I'm going with this) how long has Pongsaklek been the champ. he was suppose to fight Arce to clear up that whole 'Interim' shit! the fight never materialized. Hes been fighting a bunch of nobodys and is getting away with it.
The IBF they strip JMM of his belt for no apparent reason other then no one bid for his fight. OK so you strip the guy of his belt ???
They then (IBF) not recognize Baldomir as the champ. after he beat Zab cause th IBF didn't get their pay cut from the fight.
And to sum it all up even more what about all that nonsense the IBF, WBA and WBO pulled off on Dariusz when he beat Hill.
What a crock of shit! that was....
That shit is sooooooo fucken stupid it will make you laugh.....
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What did they do to Dariusz?
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And to sum it all up even more what about all that nonsense the IBF, WBA and WBO pulled off on Dariusz when he beat Hill.
What a crock of shit! that was....
That shit is sooooooo fucken stupid it will make you laugh.....
Found it.... Read the following and try to make some sense of it...
- The fight was originally planned for April 5, but was postponed first to April 19 ("to get an appropriate site" according to IBF president Robert
W.Lee), then moved again to June 13.
- On March 7, 1997, a federal judge Dickinson R. Debevoise of U.S. District Court at Newark, N.M., ruled that the IBF must give its leading
light heavyweight contender a title shot by July 19 or face a fine because it harmed the fighter by breaking its own rules. Under the ruling, No. 1
contender William Guthrie had to fight the winner of the April 19 match between IBF champion Virgil Hill and WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski
within 90 days of the bout.
- On May 10, 1997, words of IBF president Robert Lee were reported in the press, that the IBF stripped Hill of his title because "we had to follow the
order of the court," which had ordered that Guthrie must get an IBF title fight by July 19. (Sources: The Washington Times, May 10, 1997; The
Washington Post, May 10, 1997; St. Petersburg Times, May 10, 1997; Houston Chronicle, May 11, 1997; Denver Rocky Mountain News, May 11,
1997; Los Angeles Daily News, May 12, 1997)
- After the fight it was reported that Michalczewski's promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any
business with him." Kohl has said he is hoping an arrangement on juggling title defences can be worked out with the WBO and WBA.
(Sources: Glasgow Sunday Mail, June 15, 1997; The People, June 15, 1997)
- Thus, the IBF title was declared vacant.
- Immediately after this fight, Michalczewski also was stripped by the WBA for holding the WBO belt together with the WBA belt.
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- Immediately after this fight, Michalczewski also was stripped by the WBA for holding the WBO belt together with the WBA belt.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. CC for finding it. Woooww.....
Re: What happened to the WBA
exactl - The Ring has by far the most credibility but its only the real fight fans that know it at the moment
Hopefully in years to come the alphabet boys will fade
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MAB did a good job not paying the fees & ditching titles
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And what the hell is up with this hole Super Champion crap?
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And what the hell is up with this hole Super Champion crap?
Bilbo informed me of this a while ago. I think it was when Mundine was champion and Kessler the "super champion", I could be totally off but I think that was the case.
I rue the day when boxing has digressed so far that instead of "unification" fights digress so far from the days of the welterweight and middleweight titles being unified to the day there is a WBA unification bout, to see who is the REAL WBA champion. It's absolutely shameful, can't believe they got away with that.
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And what the hell is up with this hole Super Champion crap?
Bilbo informed me of this a while ago. I think it was when Mundine was champion and Kessler the "super champion", I could be totally off but I think that was the case.
I rue the day when boxing has digressed so far that instead of "unification" fights digress so far from the days of the welterweight and middleweight titles being unified to the day there is a WBA unification bout, to see who is the REAL WBA champion. It's absolutely shameful, can't believe they got away with that.
when a fighter holds two or more belts the WBA will class them as a 'supr champion' and then release the regular WBA belt back...
I.E when kessler beat mundane he won the WBA belt, when he beat buyer he became the WBC champ and WBA SUPER champion.
Taylor was/is the WBA super champion too...
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And what the hell is up with this hole Super Champion crap?
Bilbo informed me of this a while ago. I think it was when Mundine was champion and Kessler the "super champion", I could be totally off but I think that was the case.
I rue the day when boxing has digressed so far that instead of "unification" fights digress so far from the days of the welterweight and middleweight titles being unified to the day there is a WBA unification bout, to see who is the REAL WBA champion. It's absolutely shameful, can't believe they got away with that.
when a fighter holds two or more belts the WBA will class them as a 'supr champion' and then release the regular WBA belt back...
I.E when kessler beat mundane he won the WBA belt, when he beat buyer he became the WBC champ and WBA SUPER champion.
Taylor was/is the WBA super champion too...
Fine call him a super champion, coll him grand champion, coll him high king of the WBA for all I care. But don't go around giving some other guy a tottally bogus title and call him WBA champion too. I mean if I were the "Super Champion" I'd be pissed if there was some other guy calling himself a WBA champ and holding a belt I had to spill my blood to get and they just gave it to some contender who didn't deserve it.
Re: What happened to the WBA
The WBA currently has 3 Crusier weight Champions.
Jean-Marc Mormeck is the WBA Crusierweight Super Champion
Virgil Hill is the WBA Crusierweight Champion
Firat Arsian is the WBA Crusierweight Interim Champion
Re: What happened to the WBA
Super Champions and Interim Champions are just a foolish way for the WBA to keep the championship title in circulation and collect more sanctioning fees. They couldn't settle for collecting a fee from 1 champion per division in a given amount of time (think of how often a 'champion' fights the longer he keeps a belt) so they figured it would be more profitable to be able to sanction 2-3 champions in that same span of time. When Hopkins was fighting every 9-12 months, the WBA had to wait those 9-12 months to get paid. However, make Hopkins the Super Champion and make Masoe the 'plain' WBA champion and you have a bit more action with the belts and a bit more money to collect. I never understood why Hopkins fought Joppy for the WBA title when he had been stripped of it to be a Super Champion and would win just to get stripped again and still be a Super Champion.
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except for the Ring, who cares about belts?? Fight for them if they are handy and don't cost too much. Other than that......the people know who the real fighters are. The belts make it impossible to unify anyway....so why would someone waste the time and career trying?? Fight good fights and you will be recognized as the champion. Look at the Rings champions.....while we may agree or disagree to soem extent who the champion should be (esp. for me because of lack of activity) there is little argument that the champions are one of the top 2 guys in the division. This isn't remotely possible with 4 major bullshit belts going around....
Re: What happened to the WBA
Well it is funny there is so many titles there can by definition only be ONE world champion. So all the titles don´t do it for me.
In Denmark we have had lots of worldchampions in IBO. I guess none of you guys heard of them, but they where herald as champions here because the media bought it also, so I guess it makes sense business wise more profit but also less credibility.
I think I will make my own new federation, based on profit to me.
Get ready for Universe Boxing Federation UBF.
champion: Butterbean :o
ranking
1. Luke Skywalker :o
2. Michael Jackson :o
3. George Bush :o
help needed for the rest ::**
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And what the hell is up with this hole Super Champion crap?
Bilbo informed me of this a while ago. I think it was when Mundine was champion and Kessler the "super champion", I could be totally off but I think that was the case.
I rue the day when boxing has digressed so far that instead of "unification" fights digress so far from the days of the welterweight and middleweight titles being unified to the day there is a WBA unification bout, to see who is the REAL WBA champion. It's absolutely shameful, can't believe they got away with that.
Actually Mundine is a two-time WBA champ, without ever beeing WBA top guy - he won it fiirst time round, when Ottke held the Super Champion title (!). Funnily enough this was actually the title later won by Kessler (Ottke retiring, Mundine fighting Siaca for the 'real' WBA belt, Kessler defeating Siaca).
Also the WBA have had Super Champions in other divisions for a while now. Collazo for example won his title, while Judah was Super Champion. Worst of all though - Firat Arslan just won the Cruiserweight Interim title, giving him the right to fight Virgin Hill for the WBA title (that he somehow didnt lose to Maske), while Jean Marc Mormeck is WBA super champion. Now that should be enough to turn any casual fan off ever respecting boxing belts...
However, while the belt situation is screwed up, I am not so much against this as most people here - in the end it could make the top end of the rankings much more explicit, obvious and understandable. Mundine is the official #2 WBA SMW, having explicitly won that title (and the status of official mandatory for Kessler) against Soliman. Arslan-Brudov fought for being #3 WBA Cruiserweight, Arslan now being mandatory for #2 Virgin Hill. Whoever wins that fight gains the right to meet #1 Mormeck. Mormeck on the other hand is given a better chance (18 months instead of 12) of defending his other title aganist his mandatory there - thus keeping the belts unified - while also having leeway to pursue a voluntary mandatory or a shot at further unification.
If used and explained right, I actually believe this could be beneficial for boxing - at least it makes it more obvious for the fans who the mandatory is, how he has won that right, and why the champion should actually fight him. Now the things are now that is not always the case... (IBF anyone?)
Re: What happened to the WBA
The WBC is probably the most corrupt in its dealings with the minipulation of rankings... Usually has a good Champion though.
The WBA is a pile of Crap from Champion through to the 10th ranked.
The IBF is mixed in regards to its calibre of champion but its probabaly the most frequently vaccated belt and its mandatories are always rubbish.
The WBO is still suffering from lack of prestiege (relatively speaking of course ::** ) but IMO does have alot of credible champions and contenders :D
The IBO is basically where the WBO was 15 years ago
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Actually Mundine is a two-time WBA champ, without ever beeing WBA top guy - he won it fiirst time round, when Ottke held the Super Champion title (!). Funnily enough this was actually the title later won by Kessler (Ottke retiring, Mundine fighting Siaca for the 'real' WBA belt, Kessler defeating Siaca).
Ha is that true! It would make for a great trivia question in the future. Who is only two time world champion never to have been world champion! ::**
