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This thread is dedicated to very good fighters, who perhaps never reached greatness who had plenty of losses but only to the best. The Juan Laporte Post gave me the idea.
I'll start with Jose Louis Ramirez (102-9), from Mexico who lost to
Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Hector Camacho
Edwin Rosario
Ray Mancini
Alexis Arguello
Ruben Olivares
+ one loss early in his career and another to Coggi (who I wouldn't call a great) at the end
Oscar De La Hoya springs to mind. B-Hop
Sugar Shane
Tito
Floyd..
thomas hearns...hagler and leonard
vargas..shane,tito,oscar
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
Ettiene Whittiker as well, but great list except for Mancini.!Quote:
Originally Posted by zzz
How could you forgot Roberto Duran!?
Felix Trinidad
joe frazier
popo frietas
how about zab judah ?
George Foreman
Gene Tunney
got 2 be all of alis, durans, robinsons, jones jrs, and of corse hattons opponents. basically u might as well of just made the topic name who was the best fighters of all tine. peace
Vargas=Trinidad,Dela Hoya,Mosley,.........Wright ::**
hmmm this thread didn't really turn out like I expected. Basically I had looked for fighters who had fought and lost to a lot of the greats without ever really being considered great themselves. So guys like Hearns & Duran, and every guy RJJ faced ( except the ones who beat him) don't really fit the mold, guys like Ramirez, LaPorte, Quarry, would.
Interesting though that Duran is considered by many "experts" to be greater than everyone who ever beat him, but I think we've already had that thread. :)
will Frank Bruno do ya :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zzz
Three defeats to the two greatest heavyweights of his era, plus two others to world champs (actually was Smith world champ?)
Bruno? I wouldn't have picked him, because there aren't that many greats he lost to. only two.
Zab, Botha, S. Branco, M. Medina
Well apart from Holyfield how man others could he have lost to?Quote:
Originally Posted by zzz
R. Lyle
vargas..won't be considered great
james leija...
chop chop corley
ray mercer
They are not saying Vargas is great but he only lost to great fighters....Ray Mercer isn't great either but he's on your list
Wilfredo Rivera. Gave Whitaker 2 tough fights. Put vargas down hard before being KOed himself. Gave Mosley a hard welcome to the 147 lb division. Also has a loss to DLH (was stpped on a cut, he never went down, if I remember correctly).
He loss two fights against not so great fighters later on his career though.
Tough guy.
Ike Quartey-his 4 losses,DeLaHoya,Vargas,Forrest,and Winky Wright
I forgot about Ike. 2 of those losses were pretty darn close too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
zab... Baldomir the best? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by headson
what i'm saying is that these guys won't be considered great but they lost to the greats...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Well yeah but your post doesn't explain it like that....it just says 'Vargas.. won't be considered great' then lists some other guysQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
zab and dela hoya
baldomir isn't great....Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Randy Shields - Welterweight 41-9
Last 6 losses were to...
Wilfred Benitez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Pipino Cuevas
Thomas Hearns
Milron McRory
Johnny Bumphus
Randy Shields was a good fighter.. Not great but good. He was inducted into the California hall of fame a year ago or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by zzz