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I think heart is the willingness to fight back no matter how much punishmnet you are taking. The desire to be hit, hurt and maimed in order to dish out your own assault in an attempt at glory.
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See
Arturo Gatti
Alexis Arguello
Evander Holyfield
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See
Arturo Gatti
Alexis Arguello
Evander Holyfield
Their pictures are actually under the definition of heart in the dictionary!Check it out! lol
Good list
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Jeff Fenech v Marcos Villasana
Jeff broke both hands / nose and orbital bone by round 2 and still fought like a madman and won UB 12
Hardman or wot ???
and yes ZAB showed lots of heart
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Chacon
Gatti
LaMotta
Alexis
JCC
Evander
Corrales
Gomez
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You can bust me chops with power shots,
but thou shalt never see me crumble.
Till every pip that leaves me lips,
is but a senseless mumble.
This is heart.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
What your definition of a fighter having heart?
I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....
but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...
also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...
basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...
what do you guys think?
I agree with you. Generally whenever someone mentions a person having heart it means they have getting a beating, not just in boxing but in life. Little child has cancer then they have tremendous courage, person gets paralysed in a horrific accident then they are tremendously brave etc.
Having to display heart means you are a loser.
A winner on the other hand seldom gets anyone talking about their heart which is unfair.
To me Cotto had more heart than Zab. Zab just got beat up, thats it. If he had heart (and balls) he wouldn't have gone down 3 times in the fight. He wouldn't have looked for a way out against Floyd etc.
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my def of heart is to show pride to your family
never to show fear always to be loyal
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Corrales showed heart against Castillo in their 1st bout that made him earned 2005 RingMag FOTY.
Arce vs Hussein
Barrera vs McKinney
Barrera vs Morales vice versa
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As much as I dislike him, Paulie Malignaggi showed tremendous heart against Cotto. To me, heart is never quitting no matter how badly things are going for you, and fighting back no matter how badly you are being beaten or outclassed. It's an overriding belief and desire to win, no matter the odds and the actions one takes towards that goal, regardless of the circumstances.
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As much as I dislike him, Paulie Malignaggi showed tremendous heart against Cotto. To me, heart is never quitting no matter how badly things are going for you, and fighting back no matter how badly you are being beaten or outclassed. It's an overriding belief and desire to win, no matter the odds and the actions one takes towards that goal, regardless of the circumstances.
Exactly.
I used to dislike Judah, but I was really impressed with his performance against Cotto. He proved that he is a TRUE, BLOOD AND GUTS WARRIOR and can go toe to toe with the top dogs.
I fwocking hate his dad though. >:mad
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Rocky Marciano
Julio Cesar Chavez
Carmen Basilio
Rocky Graziano
Tony Zale
Evander Holyfield
James Braddock
Jake LaMatta
Joey Maxim
George Chuvalo
Joe Frazier
that should get you started
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A fighter that's well prepared and trusts in their abilities. Or summed up in one word, "Confidence."
That about covers heart. That better defines it more than, "ability to absorb loads of punishment"; although they sometimes go hand in hand.
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Acelino Feitas..... ;D ;D :o :o ???
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Snatching a win from the jaws of defeat.
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Heart-imo,coming through adversity successfully. Adversity which would defeat someone without heart. The willingness of a fighter to make tremendous sacrifice during a bout to win whether it be fighting through pain(ie broken hands) or ability to absorb large amounts of punishment and still win OR put up a good showing. Merely getting beaten up does not constitute heart all the time imo..
Good thread though,so going by our definitions,did Zab show heart v Cotto?
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Heart-imo,coming through adversity successfully. Adversity which would defeat someone without heart. The willingness of a fighter to make tremendous sacrifice during a bout to win whether it be fighting through pain(ie broken hands) or ability to absorb large amounts of punishment and still win OR put up a good showing. Merely getting beaten up does not constitute heart all the time imo..
Good thread though,so going by our definitions,did Zab show heart v Cotto?
even though zab pounded his fist against his chest trying to imply that he had heart..i felt he didn't show any heart..he just got beat up...and was looking for the ref to give him the DQ...he should have gotten mad and beat cotto up if he felt like mercante was letting him get fouled...
now had he overcome the blood, the fouls, and cotto's heart, and fought to the end, then win or lose it would have been heart..but to get the victory makes it better...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
What your definition of a fighter having heart?
I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....
but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...
also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...
basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...
what do you guys think?
I think if a guy is taking punishment that is more heart than if a guy is taking punishment but dishing it out also. To take a beating and still hang in there is incredible if the fight looks out of reach. At that point a good referee should help the fighter out.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
What your definition of a fighter having heart?
I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....
but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...
also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...
basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...
what do you guys think?
I think if a guy is taking punishment that is more heart than if a guy is taking punishment but dishing it out also. To take a beating and still hang in there is incredible if the fight looks out of reach. At that point a good referee should help the fighter out.
that's not heart that's stupid...gatti didn't show heart against mayweather he was stupid to stand there even though it was hopeless...to just get beat up isn't heart imo..it's just stupid
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
What your definition of a fighter having heart?
I know most will say or have been saying that Zab showed a lot of heart against cotto..and that gatti has heart....
but imo i think that gatti showed heart when he broke his hand against ward and kept fighting to a victory..but didn't show "heart" against mayweather because it was just stupid to stand there and constantly absorb punishment...
also i think roy jones showed "heart" in the first tarver fight to fight through tremendous amount of fatigue to the victory...
basically i don't think a fighter shows "heart" when he's doing nothing but absorbing punishment..like zab did...I think a fighter has to over come a major set back during the fight and fight through it win or lose to keep fighting despite the setback is what exemplifies "heart" to me..not to just constantly show that you can absorb punishment...
what do you guys think?
I think if a guy is taking punishment that is more heart than if a guy is taking punishment but dishing it out also. To take a beating and still hang in there is incredible if the fight looks out of reach. At that point a good referee should help the fighter out.
that's not heart that's stupid...gatti didn't show heart against mayweather he was stupid to stand there even though it was hopeless...to just get beat up isn't heart imo..it's just stupid
Maybe it is stupid, but if a fighter just quits people call him a quitter and it ruins his reputation. They hang in there because there is probably hope in their hearts that the opponent who is dishing out the beating will get tired and a punch will land which in turn wins them the fight.
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Losers have heart Winners have bottle
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Losers have heart Winners have bottle
heart is something hard to figure out. You have guys like Duran who seem to have heart but if you look at his career whenever he took a beating he kept on taking a beating. I think a guy who has heart is a guy like Corrales or Gatti. Guys who were taking beatings and summoned up courage and came back to win. Anyone can be a bully and win a fight by overpowering like Duran did, yet then be overwhelmed by the good fighters and make excuses after. But to be losing and get the energy to land punches when it all looks like it is over is heart.
