How great was Carlos MONZON
:) THE 1970s WBA and WBC world middle wht champion, Upright stylish boxer 20 defences, retired still champion, victory against, nino benvenuti
bennie briscoe
emile griffith
jean claude bouttier
jose naples
gration tonna
rodrigo valdes
100 fights only 3 losses and they where in his early days, would he have beat Hagler, Sugar RAY L, Hearns, i think he would have taken Hagler on points. Hearns tko, and lost on points to Lennard ;)
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Monzon IMO is the greatest Middleweight ever. (that's rating SRR at Welterweight)
Rating SRR at Middleweight then Monzon cruises right behind SRR as the second best Middleweight.
I think Monzon beats Hagler, Hearns, B-Hop, JT, SRL.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Monzon IMO is the greatest Middleweight ever. (that's rating SRR at Welterweight)
Rating SRR at Middleweight then Monzon cruises right behind SRR as the second best Middleweight.
I think Monzon beats Hagler, Hearns, B-Hop, JT, SRL.
His wife,his girlfriends,photographers.....................
Sorry couldnt resist
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Monzon IMO is the greatest Middleweight ever. (that's rating SRR at Welterweight)
Rating SRR at Middleweight then Monzon cruises right behind SRR as the second best Middleweight.
I think Monzon beats Hagler, Hearns, B-Hop, JT, SRL.
Agreed with first part but disagree with last part.
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Certainly in the Top 3 Middleweights of all time, very tall and had a wicked right hand.
Hagler was lucky to miss him by 12 months or so as i'm sure they would have fought by 1979.
Monzon retired in 1978. Monzon would have beaten Hagler, Hearns and SRL in epic battles!
What a shame he was an Asshole!
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Certainly in the Top 3 Middleweights of all time, very tall and had a wicked right hand.
Hagler was lucky to miss him by 12 months or so as i'm sure they would have fought by 1979.
Monzon retired in 1978. Monzon would have beaten Hagler, Hearns and SRL in epic battles!
What a shame he was an Asshole!
:) i agree he seemed like a A- H in his private life, but there is allways another side to every story, any one know if there are any books on his life story, and his he in the Boxing Hall of Fame? ;)
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Certainly in the Top 3 Middleweights of all time, very tall and had a wicked right hand.
Hagler was lucky to miss him by 12 months or so as i'm sure they would have fought by 1979.
Monzon retired in 1978. Monzon would have beaten Hagler, Hearns and SRL in epic battles!
What a shame he was an Asshole!
:) i agree he seemed like a A- H in his private life, but there is allways another side to every story, any one know if there are any books on his life story, and his he in the Boxing Hall of Fame? ;)
I've never come across a book about Monzon, strange when you consider his tumultuous life story probably would make a great movie.
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He was one of those fighters that improved through his career, must have had a good coach.
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I'm surprised he still had that extra something to beat guys like Benvenuti, and Griffith when I read about his lifestyle, and bad habits. He was one helluva fighter that's for sure.
If I'm not mistaken he was from Argentina, around that time they also had Nicoline Locche who was a very skilled welterweight champion in his day.
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my opinion the best middleweight ever
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Originally Posted by bronco
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Certainly in the Top 3 Middleweights of all time, very tall and had a wicked right hand.
Hagler was lucky to miss him by 12 months or so as i'm sure they would have fought by 1979.
Monzon retired in 1978. Monzon would have beaten Hagler, Hearns and SRL in epic battles!
What a shame he was an Asshole!
:) i agree he seemed like a A- H in his private life, but there is allways another side to every story, any one know if there are any books on his life story, and his he in the Boxing Hall of Fame? ;)
I've never come across a book about Monzon, strange when you consider his tumultuous life story probably would make a great movie.
It's a pitty too because he was such a great fighter in the ring. He was very versatile, could even fight off his back foot when he needed to. I haven't seen much on him in books, not even Nat Fischer covered much about him.
At least there are a few good articals floating around the net, here's one that I have found a while back: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzfo...=Carlos+Monzon
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Originally Posted by bronco
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Certainly in the Top 3 Middleweights of all time, very tall and had a wicked right hand.
Hagler was lucky to miss him by 12 months or so as i'm sure they would have fought by 1979.
Monzon retired in 1978. Monzon would have beaten Hagler, Hearns and SRL in epic battles!
What a shame he was an Asshole!
:) i agree he seemed like a A- H in his private life, but there is allways another side to every story, any one know if there are any books on his life story, and his he in the Boxing Hall of Fame? ;)
I've never come across a book about Monzon, strange when you consider his tumultuous life story probably would make a great movie.
It's a pitty too because he was such a great fighter in the ring. He was very versatile, could even fight off his back foot when he needed to. I haven't seen much on him in books, not even Nat Fischer covered much about him.
At least there are a few good articals floating around the net, here's one that I have found a while back:
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzfo...=Carlos+Monzon
Great Article, thanks for that!
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No problemo. Anytime.
Good read that article, the most ive ever seen on Monzon,thanks for that, ;D interesting the mention of him on film,if only,shame nothing was written covering his life story from birth, i bet he was a right little buger as a kid, ;D :laugh:
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I always remember him fighting Tony Liccata who I beleive was 60 and 0. For 2 rds Liccata was in the fight, after that he was battered for 8 rds. Dundee should have pulled him out after 7, I dont think he boxed again after that it was brutal.
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I always remember him fighting Tony Liccata who I beleive was 60 and 0. For 2 rds Liccata was in the fight, after that he was battered for 8 rds. Dundee should have pulled him out after 7, I dont think he boxed again after that it was brutal.
I haven't seen this fight in a looooong time.
If I'm not mistaken Licata had a loss already in his record by the time he met in the ring with Monzon.
I know this because Monzon never faced and undefeated fighter during his reign as a champ.
Just thought I'd point that out.
Oh! and I agree, Licata should have never been let out after the 7th round.
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Thanks Mick, just guessing I just go on memory.
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What he did to benvenutti was quite scary. Nino had been boxing very well but Monzon was so calm n jus.........................wallop..............sm ack...............
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I just watched the 2nd fight today on my I-Pod while I was in the restroom at work. ;D
I never get tired of seeing it. Many people felt the towel came in a bit too early but I think it came in at the right time. There was no need for Ben to be taking those shots. He was gonna go down and stay down sooner or later might as well stop it.
At first Ben was mad and bothered but in the post fight interview he tell Cosell that he understood that his corner was thinking about him as a friend and someone who they care about. So he was OK with the decision of his corner.
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Later on wasnt it benvenutti that admittd "when he hit me its not that i thought i was going to get knocked out, i thought i was going to die."