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why muhammad ali is the greatest boxer of all time
easy answer he beat the most biggest names and had the best opposition.
SRR would have 2 come second--his record is better and fought big names --but ali beat "indestructible" fighters and just overall better opposition---ali had better oppostion than any other great--he has the best resume in boxing history!!
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easy answer he beat the most biggest names and had the best opposition.
SRR would have 2 come second--his record is better and fought big names --but ali beat "indestructible" fighters and just overall better opposition---ali had better oppostion than any other great--he has the best resume in boxing history!!
agreed ;) prime george foreman was an absolute montser, and ali showed tremendous hart and courage in that bout, even when ali was past his best
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Disagree srr could fight on the inside outside wotever was apart from he cut the complete fighter and he beat many good fighter when he was in his late 30's ,
I dont think Ali was even second best of all time personally.
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Disagree srr could fight on the inside outside wotever was apart from he cut the complete fighter and he beat many good fighter when he was in his late 30's ,
I dont think Ali was even second best of all time personally.
I agree bro, I rank Ali @ 3rd. Behind Robinson & Armstrong!
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Something you need to realize: Not only did ali dominate the best era of boxing, bit he did so past his prime. :o
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Something you need to realize: Not only did ali dominate the best era of boxing, bit he did so past his prime. :o
So did Robinson... the welterweight Sugar Ray was possibly the best Robinson there was. The older middleweight version was still able to win the championship 5 times!
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He was more than a boxer.He championed african american rights in the 60s and is a symbol of courage and dignity despite his condition today.
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easy answer he beat the most biggest names and had the best opposition.
SRR would have 2 come second--his record is better and fought big names --but ali beat "indestructible" fighters and just overall better opposition---ali had better oppostion than any other great--he has the best resume in boxing history!!
don't forget, alot of the great fighters ali fought became great for fighting him.
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Ali is my favorite of all time. He was a Kawasaki Ninja surrounded by Harley Choppers. heh
I always want to convince myself that he's the best... or others. ;)
But Robinson had a comeback in his late age too, even older than Ali.
I think 36, he knocked out Gene Fullmer with a perfect left hook.
He even almost defeated the light hw champion past this age, if it wasn't for the heat.
Common thought is that the little guys are supposed to age faster than the big heavies.
But Ali couldn't do anything by age 36, just barely get by
Jimmy Young, Spinks... I don't know how Ken Norton wasn't able to knock him out by then.
Ali could dance better than Robinson, IMO, but Ali was a freaking fast for his size compared to the usually slow plodding big guys. Robinson hit harder pound for pound. Maybe the hardest puncher out of the dancers in boxing history? Ali had the best psychological game. Robinson went to the body, Ali rarely did. Robinson was better at rematches. Ali had to come back from a three and a half year suspension... and did beyond any expectation despite his slower feet and less hand-foot synchronism. Robinson had his Jake LaMotta and Ali had Frazier (to be fair, Jake was naturally much bigger than Sugar, as opposed to Frazier being around the same weight as Ali... ehh but later Jake would complain of weight draining at middleweight). Robinson was technically sound, Ali was unconventional sometimes downright wrong (example: Sugar had a great left hook, Ali had no left hook, heh) Ali's rope-a-dope was insane, therefore genius in defeating a Achillies type George Foreman. Despite his failure at an aptitude test, I think Ali was special in the brain activity department. Robinson was the most intelligent boxer in boxing, but Ali just thought different... I mean the rope-a-dope eventually lead to his demise and parkinson's desease. Ali said that Robinson was The Greatest Pound for Pound, but he also said that Joe Louis was The Greatest. Ali learned from Robinson, but is it lesser of him to steal from other fighters or is it more of him to learn from the masters? IMO nobody, including little guys, looked as graceful as Ali. Robinson moved up in weight, successfully facing meaner, tougher, harder hitting, bigger guys. He didn't duck anybody in a golden age of boxing.
I once read that Jim Jacobs measured and compared the speed of both Jab's. Both fighters did all we could ask of them and more. I just think Ali was unusual inside the ring, not outside.
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As a heavy he probably was its debateable at lower weights but you cant argue with it thats for sure he is in the top 3 pound for pound no doubt and I dont even like the guy
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Best hw of all time but not the best of all time imo if he would of lost Young fight and 2 out of 3 in Norton fights would he still be recognized as the greatest ?? because i thought he lost those fights and so do alot of others.
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Face it kids,the Ali/Robinson debate is pointless,those guys are totally beyond the looking glass,6 of one,half a dozen of the other
Ali was an unreal combination of everything,endurance,speed,power(sorely underated there),and footwork.
He was an icon for almost 20 years,he transended the sport like noone since
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couldnt fight on the inside , impact because of glamour division , and the war thing , best heavyweight probably , good as Robinson............ not even close for me .
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Re: why muhammad ali is the greatest boxer of all time
1 SRR
2 Henry Armstrong
3 Willie Pep
4 Muhammad Ali
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couldnt fight on the inside , impact because of glamour division , and the war thing , best heavyweight probably , good as Robinson............ not even close for me .
Yes he could,he didnt do it often,because he had superior footwork and reach,why give it up if you dont have to?
That would be stupid,if you can hit at range,and the footwork to stay there,why not stay there if you can
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couldnt fight on the inside , impact because of glamour division , and the war thing , best heavyweight probably , good as Robinson............ not even close for me .
Yes he could,he didnt do it often,because he had superior footwork and reach,why give it up if you dont have to?
That would be stupid,if you can hit at range,and the footwork to stay there,why not stay there if you can
He wasn't great inside fighter he done rope a dope alot but he wasn't a great inside fighter at all.
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couldnt fight on the inside , impact because of glamour division , and the war thing , best heavyweight probably , good as Robinson............ not even close for me .
Yes he could,he didnt do it often,because he had superior footwork and reach,why give it up if you dont have to?
That would be stupid,if you can hit at range,and the footwork to stay there,why not stay there if you can
He wasn't great inside fighter he done rope a dope alot but he wasn't a great inside fighter at all.
Again why be a "great inside fighter" if you dont have to?
Why give away two of your assets if you dont have to,he fought plenty inside,maybe not enough for your liking,but why do it if you dont have to?
I mean if not doing one aspect of the game often enough is part of your criterea for a great boxer,take Pepp off your list,for lack of power,and getting knocked out,something that never happened to Ali
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couldnt fight on the inside , impact because of glamour division , and the war thing , best heavyweight probably , good as Robinson............ not even close for me .
Yes he could,he didnt do it often,because he had superior footwork and reach,why give it up if you dont have to?
That would be stupid,if you can hit at range,and the footwork to stay there,why not stay there if you can
He wasn't great inside fighter he done rope a dope alot but he wasn't a great inside fighter at all.
Again why be a "great inside fighter" if you dont have to?
Why give away two of your assets if you dont have to,he fought plenty inside,maybe not enough for your liking,but why do it if you dont have to?
I mean if not doing one aspect of the game often enough is part of your criterea for a great boxer,take Pepp off your list,for lack of power,and getting knocked out,something that never happened to Ali
I didn't say he had to fight inside all im saying is that he wasn't a great inside fighter and i know i have just got sc but i don't care i'll stand by what i said.
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
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couldnt fight on the inside , impact because of glamour division , and the war thing , best heavyweight probably , good as Robinson............ not even close for me .
Yes he could,he didnt do it often,because he had superior footwork and reach,why give it up if you dont have to?
That would be stupid,if you can hit at range,and the footwork to stay there,why not stay there if you can
He wasn't great inside fighter he done rope a dope alot but he wasn't a great inside fighter at all.
Again why be a "great inside fighter" if you dont have to?
Why give away two of your assets if you dont have to,he fought plenty inside,maybe not enough for your liking,but why do it if you dont have to?
I mean if not doing one aspect of the game often enough is part of your criterea for a great boxer,take Pepp off your list,for lack of power,and getting knocked out,something that never happened to Ali
I didn't say he had to fight inside all im saying is that he wasn't a great inside fighter and i know i have just got sc but i don't care i'll stand by what i said.
Not by me you didnt
It takes something extra special to get me to drop one of those
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
He just held his arms up and let people pound away at him thats not good inside fighting thats just hoping the other fighter wastes up enough energy so you can take him out later in the fight but if fighter took his time and didn't waste so much energy you would be in big trouble but holding your arms up letting people pound away at you is not good inside fighting and if any trainer see you doing it he would tell you your an idiot more than likely and make you change it in a hurry.
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
Ding ding ding
Rope a dope,wasnt just absorbing punishment,it was making sure those shots didnt score,and didnt hurt(though Im sure some days Ali's elbows ache from that fight ;D) and to do it against that brute while the whole time yelling "They told me you hit hard George" and "My grandmother hits harder then that George" is unreal
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
Ding ding ding
Rope a dope,wasnt just absorbing punishment,it was making sure those shots didnt score,and didnt hurt(though Im sure some days Ali's elbows ache from that fight ;D) and to do it against that brute while the whole time yelling "They told me you hit hard George" and "My grandmother hits harder then that George" is unreal
They should of just hit him on the arms and elbows that would of stopped him doing the rope a dope.
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
He just held his arms up and let people pound away at him thats not good inside fighting thats just hoping the other fighter wastes up enough energy so you can take him out later in the fight but if fighter took his time and didn't waste so much energy you would be in big trouble but holding your arms up letting people pound away at you is not good inside fighting and if any trainer see you doing it he would tell you your an idiot more than likely and make you change it in a hurry.
Nope he could clinch as well,thats one fight,not the body of work,he didnt go an entire career without being knocked out by being as one dimmensional as youd like to think
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
Ding ding ding
Rope a dope,wasnt just absorbing punishment,it was making sure those shots didnt score,and didnt hurt(though Im sure some days Ali's elbows ache from that fight ;D) and to do it against that brute while the whole time yelling "They told me you hit hard George" and "My grandmother hits harder then that George" is unreal
They should of just hit him on the arms and elbows that would of stopped him doing the rope a dope.
Foreman did,it didnt work
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
He just held his arms up and let people pound away at him thats not good inside fighting thats just hoping the other fighter wastes up enough energy so you can take him out later in the fight but if fighter took his time and didn't waste so much energy you would be in big trouble but holding your arms up letting people pound away at you is not good inside fighting and if any trainer see you doing it he would tell you your an idiot more than likely and make you change it in a hurry.
Nope he could clinch as well,thats one fight,not the body of work,he didnt go an entire career without being knocked out by being as one dimmensional as youd like to think
When did i say he was one dimensional ?? he never done it in his early career he done it later in his career and it was bad tactic and if boxer knew how to deal with it properely it wouldn't of worked but it was new then and people were confused by it fair play to Ali for making it work but its a bad tactic imo and no trainer would tell you to use it.
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There must honestly be a lot that you don't see when you're watching a fight if you think he just held his arms up and absorbed punishment... a lot of stuff going on there.
Angles he's covering and options he's leaving the other guy with. I've done it and it's no where near just a case of holding your arms up. you've got to be aware of where you're open and where the other guy is etc... you can't completely cover yourself just by keeping your guard up... this isn't fight night!!! :P
It might not look as pretty as bobbing and weaving... but it's very technical.
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
Ding ding ding
Rope a dope,wasnt just absorbing punishment,it was making sure those shots didnt score,and didnt hurt(though Im sure some days Ali's elbows ache from that fight ;D) and to do it against that brute while the whole time yelling "They told me you hit hard George" and "My grandmother hits harder then that George" is unreal
They should of just hit him on the arms and elbows that would of stopped him doing the rope a dope.
Foreman did,it didnt work
No he didn't maybe sometimes during the fight but he was just swinging wildy trying to get Ali out of there but he wasn't getting any power into his shots in later rounds because he was swinging wildy and Ali would lay on the loose ropes and it would take the damage away.
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There must honestly be a lot that you don't see when you're watching a fight if you think he just held his arms up and absorbed punishment... a lot of stuff going on there.
Angles he's covering and options he's leaving the other guy with. I've done it and it's no where near just a case of holding your arms up. you've got to be aware of where you're open and where the other guy is etc... you can't completely cover yourself just by keeping your guard up... this isn't fight night!!! :P
It might not look as pretty as bobbing and weaving... but it's very technical.
Or to put it another way,if thats ALL he was doing Foreman would have started clobbering him with uppercuts and big overhand crosses
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He wasn't a great inside fighter... but he was good at it... he stood in the pocket for 8 rounds against George Mo Fo'ing foreman and I'm guessing you've seen the Thrilla right? More to inside fighting than just punching... the few fighters strong or skilled enough to get on the inside against Ali couldn't get to him.
Ding ding ding
Rope a dope,wasnt just absorbing punishment,it was making sure those shots didnt score,and didnt hurt(though Im sure some days Ali's elbows ache from that fight ;D) and to do it against that brute while the whole time yelling "They told me you hit hard George" and "My grandmother hits harder then that George" is unreal
They should of just hit him on the arms and elbows that would of stopped him doing the rope a dope.
Foreman did,it didnt work
No he didn't maybe sometimes during the fight but he was just swinging wildy trying to get Ali out of there but he wasn't getting any power into his shots in later rounds because he was swinging wildy and Ali would lay on the loose ropes and it would take the damage away.
Id go back and watch that fight again if I were you
Whenever I show it to any of my fighters,I caveat it with "If you ever try that,Ill kill you,Ali can do that,you cant"
He pounded Alis arms like mad,almost none of those shots land clean
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There must honestly be a lot that you don't see when you're watching a fight if you think he just held his arms up and absorbed punishment... a lot of stuff going on there.
Angles he's covering and options he's leaving the other guy with. I've done it and it's no where near just a case of holding your arms up. you've got to be aware of where you're open and where the other guy is etc... you can't completely cover yourself just by keeping your guard up... this isn't fight night!!! :P
It might not look as pretty as bobbing and weaving... but it's very technical.
You may of done it for short time but you wouldn't do it in proper amateur fight like Ali done it because you would get beaten to a pulp and its not very good tactic im sorry Adam you sound nice chap and by the sounds of it your good fighter but this is where we disagree it worked for Ali and fair play but it wouldn't work for most people and if it does there going to have some bad damage when they have finished there boxing career.
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There must honestly be a lot that you don't see when you're watching a fight if you think he just held his arms up and absorbed punishment... a lot of stuff going on there.
Angles he's covering and options he's leaving the other guy with. I've done it and it's no where near just a case of holding your arms up. you've got to be aware of where you're open and where the other guy is etc... you can't completely cover yourself just by keeping your guard up... this isn't fight night!!! :P
It might not look as pretty as bobbing and weaving... but it's very technical.
You may of done it for short time but you wouldn't do it in proper amateur fight like Ali done it because you would get beaten to a pulp and its not very good tactic im sorry Adam you sound nice chap and by the sounds of it your good fighter but this is where we disagree.
See previous post
"Ali can do that,you cant"
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There must honestly be a lot that you don't see when you're watching a fight if you think he just held his arms up and absorbed punishment... a lot of stuff going on there.
Angles he's covering and options he's leaving the other guy with. I've done it and it's no where near just a case of holding your arms up. you've got to be aware of where you're open and where the other guy is etc... you can't completely cover yourself just by keeping your guard up... this isn't fight night!!! :P
It might not look as pretty as bobbing and weaving... but it's very technical.
You may of done it for short time but you wouldn't do it in proper amateur fight like Ali done it because you would get beaten to a pulp and its not very good tactic im sorry Adam you sound nice chap and by the sounds of it your good fighter but this is where we disagree it worked for Ali and fair play but it wouldn't work for most people and if it does there going to have some bad damage when they have finished there boxing career.
No, I mean I've went on the inside with a stronger fighter and block, turned, deflected or simply absorbed what the other lad threw... then inbetween his bursts scored more accurate shots off combos when he was fatigued and couldn't defend as cleanley... this WAS in a proper amatuer bout... of course I wouldn't try and do it quite like Ali did... I'm in the ring half the time... and the scoring works completely differently... you'd have bruised arms and a loss on your record! :P
Simply saying that I've won fights on the inside similarly TWICE and it's not just a case of holding your arms up... you've always got to be thinking... infighting like that gets a lot of stick... called scrappy etc because it doesn't look good... but you've always got to be thinking ahead... excuse the cliche... but it's like chess! ;)
It's also worth remembering that I was fighting a door man from birtley who'd had as many bouts as I had... not George foreman! :P
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There must honestly be a lot that you don't see when you're watching a fight if you think he just held his arms up and absorbed punishment... a lot of stuff going on there.
Angles he's covering and options he's leaving the other guy with. I've done it and it's no where near just a case of holding your arms up. you've got to be aware of where you're open and where the other guy is etc... you can't completely cover yourself just by keeping your guard up... this isn't fight night!!! :P
It might not look as pretty as bobbing and weaving... but it's very technical.
You may of done it for short time but you wouldn't do it in proper amateur fight like Ali done it because you would get beaten to a pulp and its not very good tactic im sorry Adam you sound nice chap and by the sounds of it your good fighter but this is where we disagree it worked for Ali and fair play but it wouldn't work for most people and if it does there going to have some bad damage when they have finished there boxing career.
No, I mean I've went on the inside with a stronger fighter and block, turned, deflected or simply absorbed what the other lad threw... then inbetween his bursts scored more accurate shots off combos when he was fatigued and couldn't defend as cleanley... this WAS in a proper amatuer bout... of course I wouldn't try and do it quite like Ali did... I'm in the ring half the time... and the scoring works completely differently... you'd have bruised arms and a loss on your record! :P
Simply saying that I've won fights on the inside similarly TWICE and it's not just a case of holding your arms up... you've always got to be thinking... infighting like that gets a lot of stick... called scrappy etc because it doesn't look good... but you've always got to be thinking ahead... excuse the cliche... but it's like chess! ;)
It's also worth remembering that I was fighting a door man from birtley who'd had as many bouts as I had... not George foreman! :P
And there in lies what makes the rope a dope fight so special(and so often caveated with"Dont ever try that")nobody thought Ali could have gotten away with that with Foreman.Certainly not Dundee,who was having a coniption every time Ali came back to the corner,only to be met with "Ive got a plan"
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ali used ropes as a strategy.......the ropes is what spells the end, and ali freakin used them 2 beat george foreman.
there is one problem with ali...he plays around 2 much, and did not take alotta fights seriously. if he took the fight against young seriously he would have trained hard and ko young with in 3. cooper he played around and got floored 4 it. got floored 4 playing aound w/ the wepner fight also. but when he takes fights seriously and gets down 2 it.he is simply the greatest.
has robinson ever beaten a fighter who was looked at as indestructable?
cuz ali has beaten 2, and made them both look like amateurs
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ali used ropes as a strategy.......the ropes is what spells the end, and ali freakin used them 2 beat george foreman.
there is one problem with ali...he plays around 2 much, and did not take alotta fights seriously. if he took the fight against young seriously he would have trained hard and ko young with in 3. cooper he played around and got floored 4 it. got floored 4 playing aound w/ the wepner fight also. but when he takes fights seriously and gets down 2 it.he is simply the greatest.
has robinson ever beaten a fighter who was looked at as indestructable?
cuz ali has beaten 2, and made them both look like amateurs
Ali plays around in most of his fights and if you seriously think he would of koed Young in 3 you are seriously wrong Young would give Ali fits because of his style when Young is on form he is tough nights work for anyone he outboxed Foreman and took flush shots like in the 7th.
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ali used ropes as a strategy.......the ropes is what spells the end, and ali freakin used them 2 beat george foreman.
there is one problem with ali...he plays around 2 much, and did not take alotta fights seriously. if he took the fight against young seriously he would have trained hard and ko young with in 3. cooper he played around and got floored 4 it. got floored 4 playing aound w/ the wepner fight also. but when he takes fights seriously and gets down 2 it.he is simply the greatest.
has robinson ever beaten a fighter who was looked at as indestructable?
cuz ali has beaten 2, and made them both look like amateurs
Actually thats dead on
The maddening part of trying to get a full measure of Ali is he screws around with people
You can tell when he respected a guy in the 60s,hed fight them to a point,and then end them
If it lasted,he was torturing them,and he was doing it on purpose
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easy answer he beat the most biggest names and had the best opposition.
SRR would have 2 come second--his record is better and fought big names --but ali beat "indestructible" fighters and just overall better opposition---ali had better oppostion than any other great--he has the best resume in boxing history!!
I think Ali was a great fighter. Best ever who knows. That might be reserved for a guy like Sugar Ray Robinson.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Best hw of all time but not the best of all time imo if he would of lost Young fight and 2 out of 3 in Norton fights would he still be recognized as the greatest ?? because i thought he lost those fights and so do alot of others.
yes he still would be condidered great! ali was past it by the time he fought norton. ali was at his best in the 60's
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Re: why muhammad ali is the greatest boxer of all time
u cant really make a list with mixed divisions, u have to rate the fighters in there respective wieght classes. i think anywayz