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imo hatton and cotto beat the same guys that gave mayweather trouble wit ease,now they werent the same as when mayweather fought them but i think maywaether has 2 fight dem now, forget mosely, fihgt the guys that are still young, i think mayweather would beat both but DAMMIT I WANT TO SEE IT, and it would be more exciting than mayweather-delahoya cuz both hatton and cotto press the action, wat u guys think?
They'd be awesome fights and they'd probably do a lot of good for the sport but you cant make him fight anybody.
Mayweather should either fight those guys ....a middle weight or just retire and get the fuck out of the sport. I dislike him he's not winning over any fans for the sport even though he is a great classic style pugilist specialist
Cotto already has a contract to fight Margarito next, so it's understandable if Mayweather fights Mosley this fall, since Cotto isn't available anyway.
In my perfect world, Floyd fights Shane this fall and then Cotto next summer.
I think Mayweather destroys Hatton but I wouldn't mind seeing it since it would be such a big event.
beating Hatton and Cotto would be a great move on Mayweathers part since his style would work well with theirs. I think he would beat both guys rather easily. Hatton is a very good fighter. He should stay at 140 since 147 looks a little big for him after seeing him fight tonight. Cotto is good for now, but his chin will fail him eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
Floyd's got more options than Oprah's got ass...& even though she's lost all that weight...we still a big 'un! ;D
38 fights and only being in your early 30's is a bit premature to walk away from the sport. I dunno about hatton, but cotto would definitely get him $.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
hey kip gambles ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by kirapiz
hey the phenom, check ur PM
hey kira piz whats good brambles :P
keep it real kippa, ill see you tomorrow :D
Mayweather will not walk away. He is being a bit dramatic.. He is trying to say he is untouchable, and to fight the lesser guys is not worth it anymore. So he is waiting for the big fights as though saying that is all he is worth. But he will fight again. My guess is that his next fight might be the winner of Hopkins/Wright. Sounds crazy doesn't it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
I dunno about all that but if he were to face the winner of hopkins/wright and win it'd be absolutely insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
yeah I know. And if he loses he can just say he was too small. My guess is that Wright will beat Hopkins and then a Wright/Mayweather fight is not too big a size difference compared to what Hopkins would have been. If Mayweather won he would be in good shape as far as boxing history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Punisher136
Him and hopkins could never happen. no way is hopkins getting down to 154 or mayweather even capable of going up yet another division. Wright and Floyd at 154 is a possibility tho. Thats gonna be a str8 up boxing clinic.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Mayweather has tons of options,and yet he decides to keep calling out the old,inactive guy he just beat. If that is his attitude,he can fuck off for all I care. I love watching him fight but boxing is about giving the worthiest contenders oppertunities to prove they are the best.
imo i don't see mayweather fighting a junior middle for long. he has no power at that weight. who's he knocking out at 154? (besides cory spinks where both fighters would be decided who's going to be 'it' in a game of tag)
1) winky would be too big for him now that he's settled in at middleweight.
2) there's no big name fighters aside from de la hoya at junior middle
tons of fights at welter.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I believe Hatton brings way more money to the table, he basically brings a new market to the table( the british fight market) Hatton v Mayweather is a rich fight, Hatton earnt £5 million in the fight with Castillo and that wasnt even ppv in the States.
So all of a sudden Floyds not allowed to posture? believe me as much as I am a fan of both Cotto and Hatton, Floyd would put on a clinic on how to expose a leaky defense ;) Again not convinced look at Gatti, very similiar to Hatton maybe lost 2 steps by the time Floyd fought him but nonetheless Gatti is a very underrated Boxer in term of skill and is an extremely tough pressure fighter. But he couldn get in on Floyd and when he did Floyd slipped out and punished him severlyQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Sorry Jt but did you comapre Hatton to Gatti again correct me if im wrong because thats the way it looked well if you were i would like to say Gatti is nowhere near Hattons class Hatton knows how to get close swarm you and is much better fighter im not saying he would beat Mayweather but people are giving Hatton no chance i think it would be tougher than alot of people are saying on here and same goes for Cotto vs Mayweather aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
hatton has waaaay more of a chance against mayweather than gatti did. gatti fight was a mismatch from the beginning.
prediction:
a) mayweather by decision.
b) if anybody was getting knocked out... it wouldn't be hatton
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
i agree to compare hatton to gatti is a joke, think bout this gatti doesnt stand a chance agaisnt callazo, doesnt stand a chacne agaisnt even a shot kostya or castillo, hatton is a top notch fighter but i just dont see him beating mayweather
how bout cotto vs hatton? thats a crazy matchup
There are similarities in terms of toughness, determination, heart and pressure..... Those alone WILL NOT win you a fight when you are up against a fighter that can equally take a punch is determined and is on a whole another level of quickness, speed, defense and his hands down the most purely skilled class Boxer on the planet, who is crafty and a hell of a mean streak to boot...Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Completely unreasonable, professional boxing is a so-called sport but above everything else it's business and it has a lot to do with the media. Press releases such as the Ring Mag and Broadcast Television Companies such as HBO Sports took over and the contracts are the main prizes, not the Commision's belts... Therefore, if you want to know who fights who next, you need to read the latest articles on that matter or hear analists like Larry Merchant in the telecasts or understand which is the tendency of the pressure put on the promotional groups by the press ( aka the public)... And these Cotto and Hatton results will only lead to fights some time from now so what is already on the table, Floyd beat Hoya and retired, only un-retires for a big purse and a favourable split so the only man in condition to fight him is the the man that the WBC mandates him to fight or a promo group like Golden Boy Inc puts more money for, and that is undeniebly Shane Mosley, expect Floyd Shane for late November 2007Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
Regardless of the outcome of the fight,you miss my point JT. A Floyd fight with Hatton,Cotto etc is exciting. It's against a young,hungry,guy who is not inactive,not coming off a loss and not old. Yet he calls out Oscar?? The part time boxer he just beat? WTF?
WTF no, dat is what u would do, Hoya still generates more money than Cotto cos he's the Golden Boy from East L.A. and those PPV stats prove it but Hoya can't fool the media and most already dismissed him, so Floyd goes 4 the next guy and dat has 2 be business wise - Floyd can't fight Jermain who is too big and he can't fight Pacman who is too small, he can't fight the WBA Champ Cotto no matter how many Puerto Ricans would pay 2 c dat, he can't fight the WBO Welter Champ cos he is about to fight Williams next and then Cotto, he can't fight IBO Light Welter Champ cos dat definitely doesn't make sense, he fights WBC contenders at his natural weight class ( he said he's a natural welter, didn't he?) and dat's gat 2 be Mosley or else forget about Floyd 4 the next year or soQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
To fair bro didnt you just describe Hatton and Cotto's last 2 opponents...A ton of miles and inactive cause of weigh issues and on the slide Castillo.... Lost last 2 fights and coming off a 1 year suspension Judah..Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I would challenge anyone to argue that either of those fighters were ever on the same level of Delahoya and even the one that fought on May 5th and I also challenge anyone to argue either of those 2 fighters had/have more in the tank than Delahoya when those matches took place...
I dont mind these debates Gamo but I get aggravated when things get twisted to make Floyd look like he feasts on inferior comp, when indeed compared to what his contemporaries are doing, he dont look bad afterall in his matchmaking ;)
Callazo gave Hatton all kinds of problems, PBF fights like him but much better................Quote:
Originally Posted by the phenom
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
thats true i personally think delahoya can beat anyone but floyd and mosely out there but i would be intrested to watch mayweather fight those guys jus to shut people up about floyd not fighting the up and comers, amean think about ti wat would delahoya do to hatton and cotto?
Judah didn't lose his fight before Cotto,it was an ND ;D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I take up your challenge,your telling me Cotto would not be as much of a challenge than Oscar? An Oscar that has fought 3 times in 3 years and lost most of those fights? Do you really want me to dissect that argument? Cotto is a beast at 147.
And Judah has PLENTY left in the tank,are you saying he is shot because Cotto KTFO him? So Oscar must have been shot when B hOP KTFO going by that thinking?
I don't mind these debates either but I don't see what point you are trying to make. My original point was I don't see how fights with Cotto/Hatton/Mosley cannot be made yet Floyd is willing to call out the guy he just beat,the part time promoter,part time boxer? Like I said,if that's all Floyd is going to do,no one needs,and we can just sit back and watch these warriors fight each other.
Collazo is southpaw plus that was Hattons first time at that weight and hadn't properly adjusted to that weight well if your bringing styles into play how about Castillo vs Mayweather Castillo cuts easy yet he was able to give Mayweather two tough fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just a Boxing Fan
UH no... You said inactive fighter he calling out, and I stated that Cotto and Hatton just fought the same type of fighter your complaining about Floyd just fighting ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
You still didn't answer the orignal post of mine which was something along the lines of: with all these young hungry lions,why is Floyd,supposedly the greatest of all time,calling out an aging,part time promoter,part time boxer Oscar whom he has just beaten?
And JLC and Judah are Floyd's 2 best names on his resume and Hatton and Cotto looked far more impressive against them. And they are more active than Oscar ;)
Why not address all my other points? Are Cotto Hatton,Mosley not worthy? Would they not cement his legacy further? Are they not more dangerous than Oscar? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(You still on for the Tony PW SIG bet? I want more SIGS until I take over this site ;D El G be 2-0!)
Cotto - Mayweather is my first option. That's the fight I want to see. But, Hatton will be a great option. Both of them have opportunities by pressing the fight and due to their strength.
Hey PRP, how you doing? Long time no see. Yeah, Cotto-Mayweather would be a great fight. Cotto-Hatton would be good too, but it would have to happen at 147. No way Cotto is going back to 140. And I'm not sure Ricky can handle the heat at 147.Quote:
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Yeah and the people they beat are nothing close to mayweather's style or mindset.
If you really want to see a massacre then you can put Hatton in the ring with Floyd. If you want to see Cotto outboxed put him in there with Floyd.
Emanuel Stewart pointed out how open Cotto is for straight shots and Floyd wouldn't lapse and would throw them.
One thing that seperates Judah from Floyd is that Judah has a tendency to stand still when in close trying to search for one shot which allowed Cotto to go off on him in those instances unless Zab made him miss.
Mayweather on the other hand is rarely caught on the inside, it would be a distance fight. A boring one for the fans but Floyd would walk away with a decision.
And besides that Floyd is retired and Hatton isnt going to 147 again.
For some reason, I was having a lot of troubles with my connection to the page. I completely agree, Cotto should not consider, and I don't think he will, go back to 140. A Cotto - Hatton fight should be very physical, and in this field I think Cotto has the advantage, specially at 147. I'm more interested on Cotto-Mayweather, but any of the combinations will be very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Who else should he fight next? all the other players at 147 are tied up. Mosely OK, I would love to see it. But Mosely's last press release he said he was leaning toward retirement. And obviously Delahoya brings more $ and a convincing win would shut all the naysayers up, who said Delahoya won.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Again why cant Floyd posture and be a pain in the azz to negoiate with? All superstar fighters do it, whether they are flamboyant about it or not.
Ok So Cotto just picked what Mayweather left on Judahs Carcass. Please dude, PLEASE. Most, recognized that Judah was getting busted up real bad down the stretch and ready to go at the end of the 10th and thats why he lowblowed and hit in the back of the head.  Judah was getting broken to the body and both eyes were swollen and he was bleeding from mouth and nose, meanwhile Floyd didnt even have a scratch on him as usual  ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Also Gamo, dont even try to pass off the 6/22/07 version of Jose Luis Castillo that was war torn,  weight drained more that Nicole Richie, and inactive that Hatton just beat to the one that Floyd fought on 4/20/02 and again in 12/7/02 you know it, there is no comparison! ::**
A little premature to Jump on Floyds azz about who he is calling out, I mean like I stated above all the other signifigant people at 147 are or had commitments after he beat Delahoya on May 5th. and Floyd has been saying since November that the fight with Delahoya would be his retirement fight, but he would fight Delahoya again in a rematch or stay retired..... Do you remember that?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
you guys twist and magnify Floyd's desicions to the negative when the reality is again his contemporaries are doing the exact same and fighting the caliber of opponents Floyd has been... I mean you are gonna elevate Cotto to some grandiose status when in fact he has only fought 1 legitimate up and coming young gun with promise (Quintana) in his whole career so Cotto is far from the world beater the hype suggest he is, I mean come on, Floyd whips Judahs azz and Judah is some faded bum and a has been, but Cotto beats him and all of a sudden Cotto is the heir apparent. again save the hypocrisy.
I am a big fan of Cotto and believe in his tremendous upside, but dont bastarsize Floyd and legitimize Cotto in his place when the reality is Cotto is not there yet.
You know it Cowboy!!!!! When Williams beats the living bejezus out of your hero, I cant wait for the Margarito propaganda to go by the wayside were it belonged all along..... Again Arum was trying to be clever but we all know Burrito is C+ B- at best, and will get wore out like a government mule when its all said and doneQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
As I've said before, I think it's too early to criticize Floyd for not having agreed on a new fight. Even if he never mentioned anything about retirement, he still wouldn't be fighting again until November or December. Also, it's worth his while to wait until after July 14th before doing anything.
Judah-Cotto, Hatton-Castillo, and Margarito-Williams are all very important fights that all have a big impact on the landscape of 147. Mayweather is sitting back waiting to see how these fights all play out.
If we get to November/December and there's still no sign of Floyd, then call him retired or criticize him all you want for not fighting one of the big names at 147. But having this discussion in June seems really premature to me. It's basically people complaining who are looking for a reason to complain about Floyd.
Correctomundo my friend!!!! your 1st part of the sentence is the intelligent objective way a well informed Boxing fan usually recognizes a post fight time line...Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Unfortunately the latter part of you sentence is what most people are doing, just for the sake of Bitchin ;)