Marks out of 10?
Would he be effective at 147 with that style??
Was it an exciting fight?
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Marks out of 10?
Would he be effective at 147 with that style??
Was it an exciting fight?
I'll give him 9 out of 10 for that performance, always room for improvement but that was easily the best Ricky Hatton we've seen since the Tszyu fight, his punching power and strength were the best he's ever had.
Is he strong enough for 147? Maybe, if he had a tune up at 144lbs that would be ideal but he no longer has time for that, he's gonna be striking while the iron is hot, and this will be the biggest question mark in his next fight, I hope people write him off again to be honest because I think with 14-16 weeks of preparation he can be good at 147lbs.
Was it an exciting fight.... Do bears shit in the woods? ;) I thought my heart was going to stop!
Is that "Yoitsdan"?
Yeah it is, about time for a change I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
8-10 baby !
The old fire was back i said before 5 rounds i thought he'd be too strong and boy was he it was man against boy !
Hatton went through a blip i compared it to Miguel Cottos blip before the Paulie M fight when he was struggling all fighters have them .
As for the fight vintage Hatton i thought that Prick Prima Donna Joe Cortez was going to ruin it and stop Hatton from Mauling inside but luckily he let both men work .
Hatton excecuted his game plan perfectly he caught Castillio with some good shots and Castillio looked as if he might be coming back into it ...........slowly but i gave every round to Rick .
The finisher was a killer to do that to a Mexican with so many fights is something else i thought after round 3 it was going to be a long one .
What fucked me off about the commentary was Duke McKenzie constantly critisising Ricky for working up close , the fighter knows where he feels at home and Ricky knew he had his number from the 1st round !
A fighter knows!
Great performence and a great night !
I guess you gotta give him full marks as he did everything that was asked of him. It's a shame that Castillo just didn't turn up, he's completely shot as a fighter I think, in fact him and Gatti will probably get it on later in the year.
I guess I'll never like Hatton's style he's just like John Ruiz to me but he did all that was asked so I'll give him 10/10
10/10 and John Ruiz in the same sentance, there's something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime, that is unless the question preceding it was.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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"On a scale of 1 to 10 how bad did he get knocked out by David Tua?"
I'd give it 6 out of 10 he was very scrapping still holding and grappling when their was no need he should'nt be holding that much.
Would he be effective if he moves up we will find out the big names are all their Mosely,Cotto,Margerito,Mayweather if he does'nt retire and even De La Hoya.
Exciting it was more frustrating for me the holding really does my head in the atmosphere of the fight was exciting.
I'm no Hatton fan but I give him 8? Like I have been reiterating time and time again,Hatton looked bad in his last few fights for a few reeasons,the main ones being styles and lack of motivation. It showed tonight.He looked pumped from the beginning. I just cannot appreciate his style,but I have learnt to respect it. It was a good win and he earnt me another Sig win! :D :D :D
I personally don't think he will be effective with that style at 147 and I don't think he should move up unless its for big $$$> The guys at 147 are much bigger,much stronger and his holding and hitting tactics would not work there imo. He would get bullied,and he would be a small WW too.
As for the fight being exciting,it was quite exciting. After the first round,I knew it would not live up to my hype,I was expcting a FOTY contender.It was too one sided but was still good to watch.
I really don't like his style though! ;D :D
:coolclick: You pretty much see him how I see him El Gamo. I actually really like him a lot as a person and always root for him but as a fighter he just bores me rigid.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Still I'll give him 10/10 for yesterdays peformance because I really don't see what else Ricky could have done any better. I don't like his style at all but he used it to the maximum effect yesterday and you can't ask for more than that.
Ph crap,we actually agree on a fighter Bilbo! CC back. Ok ok,I give him a 9,not 10,that would be perfect! I really like him as a person too. Who can forget when he licked his hand and gelled down Merchant's hair! One of the greatest moments ever!
You mean this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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i've watched it three times and actually when the ref warned for holding when he stopped time... he did that when castillo was shoving hatton about 7 feet back into the ropes..
and also after the first round castillo was clinching too..
hatton foot work was great he hit castillo with hard left hooks to the body about 13 times before he dropped him with it...
hatton smothered castillo's offense and had castillo confused from the start at the angles he was giving him and hatton being able too walk through his punches discourged castillo..
hatton can compete with cotto i dont care what anyone says ;D
Totally agree with you Fire, some people are going on about how Hatton was holding again last night when to me it was Castillo doing alot of the holding after the first round. Ricky was hitting Castillo with some nice bodypunches. hooks and uppercuts and Castillo also was catching Hatton with some nice shots until he took the sledgehammer of a body shot. 9 out of 10 for me cause he was just all over Castillo imop. Its amazing how different people can see a fight!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire
Some people dont like his style? thats fair enough, but that wasa good fight while it lasted, Hatton was throwing and connecting with lots of big shots.
Great performance against a 75% shot JLC.
The top guys at 147 is too big for him, but there's no one left at 140. he has to grow more balls and try to come up again because i doubt any of the top WW are coming back down.
C'mon guys. I understand you're obviously Hatton fans but when was the last time you've seen Castillo in a clinch fest. That was Hatton all the way. His fights are becoming unwatchable for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerharvey
Nice body shot though. Funny thing is that the ref said the beltline was ok and then he penalized Castillo when he hit there. Weird. First time I've had acomplaint about Cortez but I guess he was due for a bad showing.
One thing is clear though. Castillo is done. He was slow and plodding and didn't seem to have alot of energy. Must be annoying fighting a guy that just holding your arms so much.
All in all, Hatton gets a 6 from me. It would have been lower but that body shot was impressive although Castillo looked washed up from the start and the clinching made the fight less than exciting.
He was holding a little much and smothering himself. But all in all he threw terrific body head combinations and showed good speed. People say could Hatton hold up against Floyds superior boxing skill, but my question is can Floyd hold up against Hattons constant pressure and bodywork? It wont happen though but Id rather see Htton-Cotto anyways.
Too bad he holds so much. He is a good exciting fighter otherwise. he holds more than holyfield.
Castillo was the one leading the holding, Hatton was trying to break clear and get his shots off - he knew he had JLC's number after 2 mins, so why would he hold
I no most of the holding was coming from Castillo, Hatton gets right under you and then fires his shots, Castillo new this and was doing more holding than Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
6 of 10 for a four rd. ko of a former p4p...Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
alot of people generally half the people on the poll on espn of over 10,000 voters world wide, voted that castillo would win..
no one thought hatton would win 4 of 4 rounds and ko him in the 4th.
and he tagged castillo's the right side of the body about 10 to 15 times before the final left hook finished him..
the fight would have been largely the same had they fought in castillo's prime.. castillo would throw faster and harder but that left hook would have still landed flush sooner or later..
that was his 1/2 ton punch!!!!! and i'm sure he had more adrenaline on that shot....
did you see it in slo-mo?? he rared back and hit him with precision and power that castillo has never faced... INCLUDING FLOYD
when he went down i thought of de la hoya-hopkins i knew he wasnt getting up for a minute....
Hatton looked strong as hell against castillo.
WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERANCE BETWEEN FLOYDS HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND MOVING OUT.. AND HATTON HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND CLINCHING????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
I thought it was like ICE AND ALOT OF OTHER FLOYD FANS SAY ITS ABOUT HITTING AND NOT GETTING HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
you said it would have been lower than a 6 but a good body shot???
well like you said we are fans and obviously you are a hater..
he won as desicivly as you could win... regardless of castillo's state..
give him credit stop hating
people are saying hatton smothered his own offence because thats what the commentator said... he landed 38% of his punches, landed at will and smothered castillo's offence 30%, and castillo didnt hardly land any good flush power shot maybe 5Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
that was the reasoning in staying close
but otherwise good points ;D
I can't really rate him sincerely because I hate HATE hate his style. I can't stand the constant holding. That being said...it was a great performance against another championship caliber fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Style? Hatton is Hatton. He fought last night as he usually does...nothing different other than the fact that he was up for the fight. I have decided that what makes Hatton so explosive & exiting is the opponent & the end results. He's definently one of those fighters that needs adversity to be motivated. If there's a lot on the line...the man goes all out. If he's working towards something...he's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I was thrilled with the fight...Hatton did much MUCH more than I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I was totally disgusted with the commentating & the fact that once Hatton dispatched Castillo...Jose went from a threat to trash. This fight had been building for months & it was totally dismissed after 4 rounds.
Hatton said it best...he deserves a pat on the back for this one.
Honestly...I'm beginning to think that he should just go back to Manchester & close out his career there...fuck what the American boxing media & public think if their gonna spew shit like that immediately after a performance like that.
It's just bullshit.
Half of the people that say shit like that...fans & media alike have never been in the ring & if they have...they sure as shit haven't been successful nor have they been in with someone like Castillo or Hatton...so the criticism is ludicrous.
:coolclick: Gamo.
Thread has been stickied as a worthy point of discussion after the fact.
Cheers.
been away for a while! back now and about time i say! but caught the fight last night, and was VERY, VERY impressed with Hatton's performance! He has some interesting matches to look forward to now thats for sure!
Ricky Hatton did very well last night. Castillo reminded me of Rosendo Alvarez (against Jorge Arce) and Mark Johnson (against Jhonny Gonzalez). In the fact that he got old. Still Hatton deserves credit for his win. He is a better fighter when he fights, rather than hold.
i agree..Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I'll give him a 9 out of 10. I thought he was outstanding.
As for him being successful at 147 with his style...I think his problems at 147 are more about his size than his style. He's just too small for 147. Some fighters can move up and be just as good, but I don't see Hatton being able to do it. He's fast, he has skill, and he can punch, but I don't see it translating to WW. Bring Cotto down to 140 and I think Hatton wins, but bring Hatton up 147 and Cotto wins. Same for Tony...though I think Hatton would stand a better chance against Tony, even at 147. Hatton has a perfect body for 140, whereas a guy like Cotto is bigger and natural WW who was fighting below his natural division for a long time.
Hmmm.... I'd say 8 out of 10. It was an impressive performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Not against a top 5 welterweight.Quote:
Would he be effective at 147 with that style??
The welterweight division is full of guys right now who are just as talented (or more talented) as Hatton, but they're also bigger.
I think both Mayweather or Cotto would beat Hatton soundly. I would favor Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey against him as well.
the funny about when hatton stop castillo is thats when castillo was starting to get into the fight. in the first two rounds castillo look terrible but in the 3rd and fourth he was finding his mark. so i don't think it's fare to say that hatton beat a shot castillo. hatton was just the better man.
sweetpea i normaly agree with you but i like hatton over cotto.
Based on what? In what areas is Hatton superior to Cotto?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
cotto leaves himself wideopen on defence..Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
cotto leaves himself open for the left hook to the body(the left hook landed on casttillo last night would have floored cotto for ten) and cotto leaves himself open to uppercuts when he is coming in and is open to straight crosses to the head..
i respect cotto and think he would have a good chance of beating hatton because i basically think he is a bigger version of hatton...
but hatton has much better hand speed, his foot work is easliy as good and he takes a good punch, probably better than cotto takes one....
if cotto was natrually hatton's size i would say hatton would win.. hatton has more experience and a better chin.. but at 147 its a different story
so i think hatton is 3 at welter possibly 1...
no one really knows yet
CC Wack my man,one of my first Stickys on the main board! ;D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
CC,word for word,I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Margarito would KTFO Hatton,inside. Hatton would be eating Tony's uppercuts all night long and if Hatton was shaken to his boots by Collazo,I doubt he could take Margarito's volume of punches. There would be such a height difference and if he tried to hold Tony,he would get pushed aside. No way Hatton beats Margarito.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
Disagree totally. Cotto is open to the body but Hatton is even more open imo.Punch for punch,I think Cotto hits far harder to the body than Hatton. Cottos stamina is amazing at WW,Hatton's is unproven. Hatton would be able to land his uppercuts.but people forget,Hatton rushes in,without using a jab,he would get timed by Miguel's hooks all night long. And with Hattons rushing in,he smothers his own punches. Just because he beat JLC does not mean he would beat Cotto. I still favour Miguel to stop him late,it would make for a great fight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
cotto would probably win but...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
hatton would easily hit cotto harder than he has ever been hit...
yes cotto would time and hit him, and yes cotto hits hard to the body but you have to remember hatton's handspeed is superior and hatton takes a better punch...
torres can drop cotto so can hatton... i think hatton would be much, much more difficult for cotto than what you all think...
before hatton got "knocked out in the 10th" he would batter cotto's body and face with left hooks and right crosses... believe me
I give hatton an 8.
He was a little wild and its questionable if he could actually last at that pace but he was on fire and he completely mugged the other man. Plus that body shot came when it started to look like Castillo was wising up to the body shots.
I know some people hate hattons mugging style but i think its what makes him so special.
8 outa 10
but its the same for him mayweather and cotto...unless they fight eachother they can never be great imo. onli if they fight eachother can people hav no complaints like
mosely is shot
margarito was neva any good
de la hoya was shot, not the same fighter
castillo was shot, not the same fighter
etcetc, because if they do beat these guys people will say that, weather tis truth or not
they are the only 3 that can make one of them a ledgend, one of them a great fighter and one of them a very good fighter