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Im not talking about just fighting in this time span, im talking about the best during this time, let me know if im forgetting anyone:
1.Lennox Lewis
2.Evander Holyfield
3.Mike Tyson
4.George Foreman
5.Riddick Bowe
6.Michael Moorer
7.Buster Douglas
8.Wlad Klitschko
9.Vitali Klitschko
10.Chris Byrd
Honorable Mentions: Larry Holmes, Razor Ruddock, Oliver McCall, Andrew Golota,Ray Mercer,Tommy Morrison, John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, Shannon Briggs
If you're just talking about accomplishments between '87 and '07, then there's no way that Foreman is above Tyson on this list.
He landed one big punch.
i dont think buster douglas shouldn't even be on the list
Agreed that he shoudnt be above Tyson. On an all time list he would though. Im changing it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Whats your list look like then? He beat McCall, Tyson, Berbick thats pretty good imo. But I can see why people wouldnt rate him but its just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by headson
1. Evander Holyfield - Beat Lewis, Tyson, and Bowe in this time period....that's damn good
2. Lennox Lewis - beat Tyson, Holyfield, and was totally dominant
3. Mike Tyson - unbeatable until Douglas got to him but came back and won titles and lost years due to prison
4. Riddick Bowe - beat Holyfield twice and one time was by TKO!!!
5. George Foreman - 40+ years old fought anyone and everyone and won THE heavyweight championship...stood toe to toe with Holyfield too and rocked him a couple times as well
6. Vitali Klitschko - gave Lennox Lewis one of the hardest fights of his career and KO'd all but 1 guy he beat
7. Wladimir Klitschko - a very dominant heavyweight and is THE champion right now and he's gearing up to avenge a loss.
8. Chris Byrd - fought the best no matter who they were and beat guys like David Tua, Evander Holyfield, and Vitali Klitschko
9. Michael Moorer - good fighter, beat Holyfield but had a shorter prime than most
10. I think it's a tie between: Morrison, Rudduck, and Golota they had success vs good fighters but they also had a lot of shortcomings
I rank Lewis above Holyfield as a heavyweight. However, I rank Holyfield higher PFP because you also have to factor in his work at cruiser in a PFP argument.
It says something about how weak the heavys have been that Moorer is a no-doubt top 10 guy.
....well it also says how long the greats reigned for....Tyson was a top dog for almost 20 years, Holyfield for 15 or so, Lewis was so great it was hard to chose who number 2 was when he was champion, Wlad and Vitali are seemingly unbeatable.....George Foreman was just a freak of nature, gold medal after only 1 year of boxing, KO'd the unbeaten Joe Frazier....comes back at 45 and lays the smackdown on Michael Moorer and other top notch heavyweights.
I honestly think Golota could have been great but he fucked up vs the greats he fought and he never was matched vs guys I think he would have done well against: Rahman, Moorer, Holyfield, Mercer
Not a bad list....IMO numbers 3-5 are a matter of opinion....Without a doubt Lennox Lewis has ruled the majority of the time and he was with out a doubt the most dominate HW on the list...He beat every man he faced in the ring....Avenged his only losses and fought every top 10 ranked fighter there was during his era....With the exception of Wlad who IMO was having enough problems trying to rebuild after the Sanders beat down so he was in no way mentally pre pared for Lewis
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Tyson's real prime lasted about 3 years ('86-'89), and he only spent about 5-6 years as a champ. He was never a high level fighter after '97.
Well yes but he was still a top teir guy from '86 til his fight with Lewis
depends what you mean really.....best fighter at his peak...or greatest overall in there careers. For example i believe that Tyson is the most talented by miles of the last 20 years....however i accept Holyfield and Lewis achieved more in there careers.
Over all greatest in that time span. Peak has nothing to do with it cause then, yeah Tyson would be higher as would Foreman.Quote:
Originally Posted by cockey cockney
hmmmm Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson would be my top 3 then! in that order....although as someone else pointed out i put Holyfield higher P4P then Lewis, but not at heavy!
...hey Holyfield beat Lewis (albeit I thought he did better in the rematch and not the first fight which I thought he lost and the rematch was a makeup call)
Holyfield also beat Riddick Bowe...a PRIME Riddick Bowe.....and Mike Tyson....TWICE
He has the best resume in terms of who he beat but I suppose he did have some big losses too
Evander beat Lewis? When was this? Also to say he won against Bowe is crap IMO he lost 2 of 3. He won one fight, but BOwe won the series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
i think i would have to agree with lyle and put evander at the top spot. he has fought pretty much everybody on the you guys top 10 list. it seems like we're forgetting somebody though.
Evander beat Lewis on the cards in the first fight but I honestly think the second fight was all his.
Evander beat Riddick Bowe in the second fight by Majority Division
Bowe won the series but nobody else beat him outside Evander Holyfield
Golota did twice ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
OK, 1st I gotta say that looking into this thread and having the bright idea of trying to make my own list has caused a big depression in me and even more so in how sad the Heavy div. has been for the past 20 yrs.
I sware 1 thru 8 was good I mean I switched them around a couple of times but for the most part I knew how they faired then I get to numbers 9 and 10 Whoa!! talk about trying to dig up whos the better... Shit! I spent about 30 min. trying to decide who to put there it was a toss up in between Ruiz, McCall, Morrison, Rahman, Toney.
I need a nap now... :( My head hurts...
1. Lewis
2. Holyfield
3. Tyson
4. Moorer
5. Bowe
6. Wladdy
7. Byrd
8. Vitali
9. Ruiz
10. McCall
1. Lewis - Beat every guy he ever fought
2. Evander Holyfield - 4 Time champion
3. Tyson - Late 80's early 90's he looked the part
4 . Riddick Bowe - 1 loss that he avenged is pretty impressive at his level .
5 . Michael Moorer - Better at lightheavy but was a great heavy too .
6 . Wvlad Klitschko - Had an era of domination
7 . Vitali Klitscko - He attmepted to have an era of domination
8 . John Ruiz - As awful as he was , statistically he achived a fair amount
9 . Hasim Rahman - Again , an awful fighter but the reason I put him in the top 10 is cuz he s a two time champ , but I think Guys like Golota , Briggs , Tua etc , were better
10 . Oliver Mcall - Beat the number 1 and is still around today
what are you talking about 1st fight draw, 2nd fight Lewis win. Everyone thought Lewis won the first fight as well Lyle
Mick, I felt the same way when I started thinking about this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
How sad is it that Michael Moorer is a no-doubt Top 10 guy, and he got knocked out in his first title defense!
When you look at these lists, it becomes even more amazing that Lennox was criticized for much of his title reign for being boring.
OK I will give it a try.
Lennox Lewis- We were lucky enough to have not only a fighter who dominated but also a fighter who represented boxing well. The heavyweight champion was the face of boxing through out history. Lennox was a gentleman. Well spoken and we watched him grow as a fighter. By time he retired he dominated the heavyweight division like any past great. Avenged his losses. Then went out on a win. True warrior with Class.
Evander Holyfield- His fights were almost always exciting. He always gave it his all like a true champion should. Has one of boxing's best trilogies against Bowe. Managed to go from cruiserweight to being an undersized heavyweight. Beat Tyson twice. His only downfall is not knowing when to walk away
Riddick Bowe-Riddick took on a big challenge. He became the face of heavyweight boxing after Mike Tyson took a powder to the state ranch. He was our champion and we were proud. His fights with Evander are legendary. Sad part is he put a black eye on himself refusing to fight Lennox Lewis. Who at that time I feel he could have beat. He would have no chance against the 2004 and up version of Lewis but the 1993 version of Bowe was about as good as one can get
Mike Tyson=When 1987 came around Mike Tyson has seen his best days come and go. This is a man who could have been in the top 3 of all time not just the last 20 years. He managed to have his career extended a long time by reputation alone. The 1985-1986 version of Tyson was pure dominance. He did manage another title though after his time in prison. Mikes aura will always keep him in a top heavyweight list.
Vitaly Klitschko-Vitaly was just coming into his own as the top man in the division when he was forced to retire. In my opinion he would still be champion. He had it all. Good power. His offense was improving. He had lost that robotic style. His chin is unbelivable. He had things cut short but there is no doubt everything was there and he would have been champion until he felt like giving the title up.
6.Chris Byrd-Size was Chris only downfall. He had heart and skill
7.Wladamir Klitschko-Many set backs but the best is yet to come
8.Michael Moorer-Great skill and only southpaw to hold the belt
9.John Ruiz-Boring I know but he got the job done
10-Ray Mercer-Tough as nails, Great finisher. Better then the other choices. Morrison, Rahman, Golota. Gave everyone he lost to during his heyday fits
1 Lennox Lewis
2 Evander Holyfield
3 Mike Tyson
4 George Foreman
5 Riddick Bowe
6 Vitali Klit
7 Wladimir Klit
8 Michael Moorer
9 Ray Mercer
10 Larry Holmes
Prime Tyson is not better than prime Foreman ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Foreman twice destroyed one of the greatest heavyweights of all time in Joe Frazier plus annihilated Ken Norton.
Tyson never beat anybody on that level and lost every time he faced a true great, unless of course that great wasn't past his prime and coming off a two year layoff following two successive defeats.
Im quite surprised BoomBoom said that because thats nonsense what he said and he is normally good poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
You read it wrong. What I said was Foreman and Tyson would be higher on the list, not that Tyson would be higher than Foreman cause Foreman rates far higher than Tyson......Ill forgive you though cause you said i was usually a good poster ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Where's Frank Bruno ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Sorry BoomBoom my bad I didn't read it properly. Have a :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Bruno is represented in these lists. You can see the imprint of his face on the gloves of Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONMAYWEATHER
Its all good. I did make this post too confusing. I clicked ya back ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The Bruno thing was a joke by the way ;D
Yea my bad have :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
My list personally would go.
1. Lennox Lewis. Not as exciting or as big a draw as Tyson or Holyfeild, but beat bith of them, as well as just about every other top contender who came about during that time, and avenged both his losses, which were both more or less flukes.
2. Evander Holyfield. Beat all the big names except Lewis, held the real world title twice and took part of some extremely exciting, memorable fights against Tyson, Riddick Bowe, Micheal Moorer and others.
3. Mike Tyson. Obliterated everone during the late 80's, lost some of his peak years due to his prison stint, was never able to recapture his glory days but was still extremely dangerous to all but the very top level fighters during the late 90's. Failure to beat a top guy at or near his peak puts him behind Lewis and Holyfield.
4. Riddick Bowe. Was extremely good but burnt out very quickly. The Bowe who first beat Holyfield would be a match for just about any heavyweight ever but he was shot to pieces within 3 years.
5. Micheal Moorer. Beat the top guy in the division for the real world title. was beating George Foreman until a fluke punch put him down. Was always solid, not an all time great but during this time period he's up there with the best.
6.George Foreman. Did incredibly well to regain the world title after 20 years, and also held in there against Holyfield to take him to the limit.
7. Wladamir Klitchkio. Has been upset a couple of times and has a reputation for being chinny, but he's a much better boxer than his brother was, just not as tough, has beaten many of the best around at the mo, and is generally regarded as the best heavyweight going in these lean times.
8. Hasin Rahman. Could be a lot better than he is but has always fallen short of reaching his potential. still knocked out lewis to breifly hold the world title.
9. Vitali Klitchko. a bit robotic and had an undeserved reputation as a quitter for a long time, but he was big enough and tough enough to be the new dominant heavyweight if he hadn't retired. Lewis fight had a lot of what ifs, maybe he would have won on points, maybe he would have won if he didn't have all those massive cuts on his face, maybe he would have won a rematch. We'll never know.
10. Ray mercer. hard as fuck. Him knocking out Tommy Morrison was something to behold. Was never the top or near the top man in the division but was always a stern challenge.
i would put evander over lewisQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Buster Douglas does he really deserve to be their just because he beat Tyson that was his only achievement really.
Well he beat Oliver McCall too but to me the three fighter below him havent beaten anyone of Tysons caliber so that win goes a long way with me.BUT Maybe he shouldnt be on there because he was never dominant otherwise, but he was more deserving than Rahman or Morrison imo. He could be #10 though below the Klitchkos.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYSONMAYWEATHER
....Golota COULD have but he got DQ'd twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Sad really.... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea