How is it that some people still don't believe in Ricky Hatton?

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

Im not really a Hatton fan but full credit for the 4th round stoppage of Castillo but i still dont like all the holding and grappling theirs no need for it he holds and he is'nt even hurt its frustrating to watch but until the refs start to pick up on it best of luck to him but great great result.

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Im not really a Hatton fan but full credit for the 4th round stoppage of Castillo but i still dont like all the holding and grappling theirs no need for it he holds and he is'nt even hurt its frustrating to watch but until the refs start to pick up on it best of luck to him but great great result.

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I know everyone has their tastes, but seriously...whats not to like about Ricky Hatton? I sooner have 100 Ricky Hatton's flying the British flag than one Junior Witter. I hope to god Harris does the business against him.

I think on saturday night there were both leaning on eachother rather than holding. They got tangled up a lot because they were both trying to push eachother back. Against Urango he held basically because he was poorly. He didn't hold for the 1st 5 or 6 rounds but he ran out of energy and basically had to get through the fight. I think on Saturday Castillo and Hatton were both as bad as eachother.

Well it depends what you mean by "not believing" in Ricky Hatton.....

For example, I believe Hatton looked very impressive on saturday night, and I believe he's without a doubt the #1 guy in the world at 140.

However, I don't believe he can beat any of the top 5 welterweights in the world.

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Im not really a Hatton fan but full credit for the 4th round stoppage of Castillo but i still dont like all the holding and grappling theirs no need for it he holds and he is'nt even hurt its frustrating to watch but until the refs start to pick up on it best of luck to him but great great result.

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I know everyone has their tastes, but seriously...whats not to like about Ricky Hatton? I sooner have 100 Ricky Hatton's flying the British flag than one Junior Witter. I hope to god Harris does the business against him.

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Its all the holding mate when its not needed he's not even hurt and he's holding it frustrates me watching it

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Im not really a Hatton fan but full credit for the 4th round stoppage of Castillo but i still dont like all the holding and grappling theirs no need for it he holds and he is'nt even hurt its frustrating to watch but until the refs start to pick up on it best of luck to him but great great result.

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I know everyone has their tastes, but seriously...whats not to like about Ricky Hatton? I sooner have 100 Ricky Hatton's flying the British flag than one Junior Witter. I hope to god Harris does the business against him.

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Its all the holding mate when its not needed he's not even hurt and he's holding it frustrates me watching it

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The holding on Saturday was just as much Castillo and Hatton was the one who fought out of clinches with wicked combinations. Witter couldn't handle that and you know it. You have got to hope this fight doesn't come off because if it does, your house is mine! ;D

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Well it depends what you mean by "not believing" in Ricky Hatton.....

For example, I believe Hatton looked very impressive on saturday night, and I believe he's without a doubt the #1 guy in the world at 140.

However, I don't believe he can beat any of the top 5 welterweights in the world.

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Honestly...I think he'd beat Margarito. I don't rate him tbh. It's all the Tony fans that have built this guy, and until he beats someone of note, I'm not gunna give him credit. I think Ricky can outbox him.

I've never seen Williams fight, so I can't really comment.

Cotto would be a great fight, and it's a pick em, but i'd go with Cotto because I think he's one of the best in the sport.

I don't think Mosley has the desire anymore as he said recently he wants one more before retirement, so I think Hatton can win that one.

He has every chance against Floyd. If he traps him, he beats him, but Floyd is hard to pin down.

I'm a big Hatton fan though, so I know my opinions on this one are slightly bias.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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I hope your kidding me. If you think CAStillo was anything compared to the guy who fought Mayweather 4-5 years ago your fooling yourself. The reason why people aren't "hating" on Cotto is because he didn't have those two horrid performances against Urango and Collazo. I think Hatton could beat anyone at 147 besides PBF, or he has the potential to, but I doubt he will be able to. He has the speed, but he doesn't fight the right way.

Urango he was ill with flu

Collazo he had 5 weeks preparation to go up a weight and fight a beltholder at first attempt

If you dont believe look at how different he was against Castillo

He did look good, but he also looked good at the begining of his fight against Collazo and against Urango. Hatton has always gotten to a quick start my question is whether or not he can still sustain it against larger fighters.

If you want to see it sustained then look at the Tszyu fight

However against bigger fighters there is no real evidence yes or no (Collazo being only 5 weeks preparation to fight a beltholder at a higher weight with no tune up fight)

Regarding Welterweight we all have that question - and noone knows !

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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I hope your kidding me. If you think CAStillo was anything compared to the guy who fought Mayweather 4-5 years ago your fooling yourself. The reason why people aren't "hating" on Cotto is because he didn't have those two horrid performances against Urango and Collazo. I think Hatton could beat anyone at 147 besides PBF, or he has the potential to, but I doubt he will be able to. He has the speed, but he doesn't fight the right way.

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I'm a big Cotto fan, but he was nothing against Urkal, rocked big time by Torres and had problems with Corley. Judah is hardly at his best right now...these are pretty much the same reasons people hate on Hatton.

Don't get me wrong, I love Cotto. My opinion is that every fighter is entitled to have a bad day at the office.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

Well it depends what you mean by "not believing" in Ricky Hatton.....

For example, I believe Hatton looked very impressive on saturday night, and I believe he's without a doubt the #1 guy in the world at 140.

However, I don't believe he can beat any of the top 5 welterweights in the world.

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Honestly...I think he'd beat Margarito. I don't rate him tbh. It's all the Tony fans that have built this guy, and until he beats someone of note, I'm not gunna give him credit. I think Ricky can outbox him.

I've never seen Williams fight, so I can't really comment.

Cotto would be a great fight, and it's a pick em, but i'd go with Cotto because I think he's one of the best in the sport.

I don't think Mosley has the desire anymore as he said recently he wants one more before retirement, so I think Hatton can win that one.

He has every chance against Floyd. If he traps him, he beats him, but Floyd is hard to pin down.

I'm a big Hatton fan though, so I know my opinions on this one are slightly bias.

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I think of all the Welterweights, Margarito poses the BIGGEST threat to Hatton. He's a very strong puncher and throws shots at odd angles, Collazo was finding hatton with a lead right hook, a similar punch to what Margarito would throw because he stands very square. If Hatton v Cotto ever did come off i wouldn't be surprised if we saw Cotto going southpaw to land the lead right hook too, cos it is a definite weakness of Hatton's.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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What did you see ,that I didnt ,what I saw was a opponent that didnt want to fight and didnt even try to get up ,got payed and walked away ,atleast with cotto judah fought his heart out both where cut and beaten up ,lol, well judah was ,the whole thing is the opponent makes the fight and castillo in my eyes was not even an opponent but a blank target waiting to get knocked down ,he simply did not have the tools to work his way through this fight ,when hatton fought in the 147 he didnt impress me and now cause he beat a beaten warrior you want to put him in a peddlestool ,nope it wont happen he needs to beat the top names now ,not wait till they get worn out ,lmao, I know that stragedy what now he beats arturo gotti and you gonna praise him also ,its the same thing floyed has done hand pick broken gladiaters who once where ,lol, .

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Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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I hope your kidding me. If you think CAStillo was anything compared to the guy who fought Mayweather 4-5 years ago your fooling yourself. The reason why people aren't "hating" on Cotto is because he didn't have those two horrid performances against Urango and Collazo. I think Hatton could beat anyone at 147 besides PBF, or he has the potential to, but I doubt he will be able to. He has the speed, but he doesn't fight the right way.

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I'm a big Cotto fan, but he was nothing against Urkal, rocked big time by Torres and had problems with Corley. Judah is hardly at his best right now...these are pretty much the same reasons people hate on Hatton.

Don't get me wrong, I love Cotto. My opinion is that every fighter is entitled to have a bad day at the office.

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That judah was not at his best ,lmao ,man what fight did you watch iam starting to think most of the guys get drunk before watching a fight ,even the announcers where like win or lose judah was at his best ,now if you ask me if judah will be the same heck NO ,but he was at his best and cotto is getting better and stronger ,remeber at the 140 weight it was hard for him and he was too dehydrated at the 147 non of this is a problem which is why he has absorb the power from his last 2 opponents ,and one thing cotto has is smarts ,he thinks before he leaps hatton holds before he throws ,i go for the thinker anyone can punch all night without knowing what to do.

It dont matter who Ricky fights AND BEATS ppl are gonna have something bad too say

he didnt look good or his opponant was shot
or he held too much
Nothing he does will be good enough for some ppl
they were amount of ppl on here saying Castillo would beat Hatton
but now its a different story
Hatton won the first two rounds easily (and both men held if you can call it holding arms over necks)
i gave the 3rd to Castillo by a touch
I only wish now the fight had gone on a bit longer so Ricky could showcase his skills a bit more

I may be misunderstood but didnt Hatton beat Collazo and Urango ???
you may not have liked how he did it but he still did it
Hatton had 5 weeks to prepare to go up a weight and fight

Just one more comment
Pbf is hard to trap down because of all the dancing round the ring he does ;)

couldnt of said it better myself kat. about 50 % of people where sayin castillo would beat hatton now it is a different story coz hatton stopped him. shot fighter or not that body shot would have stopped anyone. i think hatton on his day fully prepared and proper training camp would beat anyone even at 147. i think cotto would be a harder fight than mayweather would be

i know i even read someone sayin Castillo didnt even try to get up from that body shot
ERRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM no he couldn't get up
i've watch Hatton for years and he is known for his body punches!
they have awsome power i even wrote hre on Fri i hoped he fought the old Hatton style(gr8 body punches) and he did
Body punches like that stop u movin
I'm sure Castillo thought it'd look good to spin round and drop down on one knee like he was proposing
no he did that cus it fucking hurt!!
He could hardly look at the ref wen he was counting and he was chewing his gumshield like a steak

I think people just need to see more of hatton before they actually start to belive in him....he's a great fighter in my opinion has a style that isn't all that crowd pleasing with all the clinching and stuff and wheather castillio had part in it saturday or not doesn't matter cause it's common in hatton fights. But outside of castillio and Kostya Tszyu his record isn't filled with the greatest of competiton. Then when getting the opportunity against better comp he looked unimpressive against a sick urango and ill prepared collazo..then comes castillio who he looks great against and it's getting taken away by how old and slow castillio looked so unjustly or not the verdict is still out on this guy......and he like so many others these days is on the list of people who want but can't beat mayweather. I happen to like him though !!!

Look, I admit I was wrong, Castillo was not shot, and Hatton outclassed him.

Ricky Hatton is number 1 at 140 no doubt. I still don't like his style.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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Hate and Love doesn't come to matter if you are not Puerto Rican or British. Ricky did well and I dare to say he's the better pressure fighter P 4 P that we've seen for more than a decade, Cotto is the strongest, most massive body snatcher for the last 20 years at least... But and there's always a but, Ricky is just 5' 6'' and is too upright, too tight and his approach is too one dimensional to box with a cat like Floyd and Cotto is too damn slow getting off so that he can do better than Baldomir against Mayweather. I think Mayweather would do the same to Ricky that he did against Gatti, and I purely hate Mayweather's style...

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I think people just need to see more of hatton before they actually start to belive in him....he's a great fighter in my opinion has a style that isn't all that crowd pleasing with all the clinching and stuff and wheather castillio had part in it saturday or not doesn't matter cause it's common in hatton fights. But outside of castillio and Kostya Tszyu his record isn't filled with the greatest of competiton. Then when getting the opportunity against better comp he looked unimpressive against a sick urango and ill prepared collazo..then comes castillio who he looks great against and it's getting taken away by how old and slow castillio looked so unjustly or not the verdict is still out on this guy......and he like so many others these days is on the list of people who want but can't beat mayweather. I happen to like him though !!!

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I think you have it mixed up It was Hatton who was ill in the Urango fight
he was just beating off a flu virus! :-\
And it was hatton not Collazo that was ill prepared Hatton had onli 5 weeks preperation b4 stepping up a weight without any fight at that weight in between
and where those fights may not have been impressive he still won both fights
As for who can and cant beat Mayweather well Mayweather has to take these fights for us to see
So only time will tell

i think its mainly because he is british.

and ginger????????????? ;) ;) ;) ;) :lickish: :lickish: :lickish:

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couldnt of said it better myself kat. about 50 % of people where sayin castillo would beat hatton now it is a different story coz hatton stopped him. shot fighter or not that body shot would have stopped anyone. i think hatton on his day fully prepared and proper training camp would beat anyone even at 147. i think cotto would be a harder fight than mayweather would be

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Actually on the polls on Saddo I think it was about 15% who thought Castillo would win ;)

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couldnt of said it better myself kat. about 50 % of people where sayin castillo would beat hatton now it is a different story coz hatton stopped him. shot fighter or not that body shot would have stopped anyone. i think hatton on his day fully prepared and proper training camp would beat anyone even at 147. i think cotto would be a harder fight than mayweather would be

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Actually on the polls on Saddo I think it was about 15% who thought Castillo would win ;)


not everyone voted on the polls but there is a thread all about it
and many many ppl said that Castillo would win
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why dont they believe in him? because castillo was a shot fighter, it showed straight away from the 1st round, and it was even apparent in his last fight. also hatton always cheats to accomplish his goals. how can you credit him for that.

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why dont they believe in him? because castillo was a shot fighter, it showed straight away from the 1st round, and it was even apparent in his last fight. also hatton always cheats to accomplish his goals. how can you credit him for that.

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cheats??
in what way ??

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why dont they believe in him? because castillo was a shot fighter, it showed straight away from the 1st round, and it was even apparent in his last fight. also hatton always cheats to accomplish his goals. how can you credit him for that.

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Like Manny Steward said "Hatton didn't fight Castillo who beat Corrales". And I agree.

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why dont they believe in him? because castillo was a shot fighter, it showed straight away from the 1st round, and it was even apparent in his last fight. also hatton always cheats to accomplish his goals. how can you credit him for that.

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cheats??
in what way ??

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I'm thinking holding and hitting....

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why dont they believe in him? because castillo was a shot fighter, it showed straight away from the 1st round, and it was even apparent in his last fight. also hatton always cheats to accomplish his goals. how can you credit him for that.

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cheats??
in what way ??

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I'm thinking holding and hitting....

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and low blows.........

EVery boxer hits ;) ;) ;) ;)
and many hold

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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What did you see ,that I didnt ,what I saw was a opponent that didnt want to fight and didnt even try to get up ,got payed and walked away ,atleast with cotto judah fought his heart out both where cut and beaten up ,lol, well judah was ,the whole thing is the opponent makes the fight and castillo in my eyes was not even an opponent but a blank target waiting to get knocked down ,he simply did not have the tools to work his way through this fight ,when hatton fought in the 147 he didnt impress me and now cause he beat a beaten warrior you want to put him in a peddlestool ,nope it wont happen he needs to beat the top names now ,not wait till they get worn out ,lmao, I know that stragedy what now he beats arturo gotti and you gonna praise him also ,its the same thing floyed has done hand pick broken gladiaters who once where ,lol, .

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I can see what your saying, i just dont think Castillo can be effective against a strong 140 lber like Hatton like he was at 135, shot or not, it's killing boxing these match ups, you cant just dis Hatton and Floyd for never fighting peak fighters, Cotto's is just as guilty nearly all Boxers are but when you have two guys at there peak the politics are usaully a nightmare to make these fights happen. Hopefully in the next 12/18 months we see Cotto- Hatton Cotto-Mayweather or Mayweather-Hatton the fans deserve these fights.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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I don't think it is that he does not deserve praise. It is that we have seen guys look great before and then they crash hard and we put all these expectations on them. Remember Donald Curry? Mike Tyson? Although Mike did materialize. Donald Curry was seen as unbeatable and then he was beaten by Lloyd Honeyghan and Mike McCallum within a year of each other. So that is why we have to be cautious of saying Ricky is the greatest thing we have seen. There is a Lloyd Honeyghan or a Buster Douglas opponent maybe who will beat Ricky Hatton soon.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Now I'm not talking to everyone on this board, because to be fair, many are giving credit were credit is due. But there are too many haters for my liking here. C'mon guys, the guy is going out and looking for the big fights...and he just made a great fighter look very ordinary. I didn't see too many hating on Cotto after what he did to Judah last week. IMO, Floyd needs to fight both of these guys, because they're knocking out guys he couldn't. I'm wondering if Floyd could really take the punishment both of them can dish out.

Bottom line, Ricky deserves his plaudits, and if you weren't impressed by what happened on Saturday night then you should certainly be questioning your knowledge of boxing.

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we all hope that Ricky can be the fighter we all think he might. but like I said, look at Curry and McGuigan and even Camacho.. Guys who we thought were so good and they crashed.

He is an excessive holder and he will not be liked because of the excessive holding. If he quits holding, he will be liked.

I gotta give Hatton credit for the victory over Castillo, he got the job done. Only thing is that excessive holding is illegal! Cortez needed to warn Hatton but instead took a point from Castillo for a low blow. I gotta ask "What about the holding?"

Hatton needs to be respected for where he is & what he has achieved. Victories over possible future Hall of Famers Tszyu & Castillo shouldn't be taken lightly. But the thing is I see a lot of guys out their who can beat him. Mayweather for one. So giving Hatton credit is one thing, but thinking he's the best current fighter in the world is another!

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He is an excessive holder and he will not be liked because of the excessive holding. If he quits holding, he will be liked.

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So your saying Ricky Hatton is not liked?

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why dont they believe in him? because castillo was a shot fighter, it showed straight away from the 1st round, and it was even apparent in his last fight. also hatton always cheats to accomplish his goals. how can you credit him for that.

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In what way does he always cheat to win?

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I gotta give Hatton credit for the victory over Castillo, he got the job done. Only thing is that excessive holding is illegal! Cortez needed to warn Hatton but instead took a point from Castillo for a low blow. I gotta ask "What about the holding?"

Hatton needs to be respected for where he is & what he has achieved. Victories over possible future Hall of Famers Tszyu & Castillo shouldn't be taken lightly. But the thing is I see a lot of guys out their who can beat him. Mayweather for one. So giving Hatton credit is one thing, but thinking he's the best current fighter in the world is another!

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He didnt just beat 2 future hall of famers he made both of them quit. You say you can see a lot of guys out there who can beat him, well the majority or americans thought castillo would beat him and nearly all the world thought kostya would easily beat him. This thing is with hatton is that he may not look as fluient as some boxers and to have the punch power of others but he still keeps beating opponents and he makes them look so bad that people start to question whether they are shot.

Hatton may not have a style that everyone likes but there is no avoiding the fact that he keeps wiping the floor with these guys. apart from the Urango fight he doenst hold as much as it seems, Watch the fights closely, its just very good/effective inside boxing (with some holding - Im not going to deny that) but to say it is illigal is crap.

hatton has fought in europe, UK and america and he has never had a point deducted for illigal holding so if professional referees throughout the world cannot see in any of his 43 fights that he is doing any illigal holding why is it that some of you think he is?