I am looking at possibly taking up a martial art and have been advised to try Wing Chun.
Anybody know much about it, it's effectiveness as a form of self defence etc?
Cheers
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I am looking at possibly taking up a martial art and have been advised to try Wing Chun.
Anybody know much about it, it's effectiveness as a form of self defence etc?
Cheers
i wouldnt bother with it id take up muay thai, wing chun is all about using the least amount of force in a fighting situation,id go for the all out attack of knees in any self defence situation myself if i had the choice
Cheers for info ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by themusic
big h, you've been here for 6000+ posts and still don't know that wing chun is a bunch of useless movie matial arts bullshit?? lol sure some of those guys are amazingly acrobatic but how does all that stack up in a bar fight, in close quarters, and the good old fashioned punch in the face?
if you want a traditional martial art that has some real world application, go with judo. of course, you also can;t go wrong with a striking art, like kickboxing, boxing, muay thai....
wc was a cornerstone of JKD so it isn't bs it has some very sound principles....however in terms of training you to get used to taking a shot and giving one you would be better of with something like boxing or mt imo, I'm sure munky would throw in some groundwork.
I know nothing about MAs - hence asking the question ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
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Originally Posted by Missy
sorry love, do't b'leeve ya. ;) if you want sound striking principles, nothing out does the grand dadday of 'em all... boxing. 8)
He is right, boxing is the best pick up and play (so to speak) but to take it that bit further id go with thai, after all look at the size of your legs compared to your hands then you have basically become an evolved boxerQuote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Not sure what MA you are thinking of, but the Wing Chun I am talking about doesn't have any flying kicks or any of that shit ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
I've poste before. I am not a fan of Wing Chun. It does have some good centre line punches using good economy of motion but power delivery is bullshit(I've taken Black Sash Punches in a match fight and they felt like pitter patters with the adrenaline pumping...no KO power. When the adrenaline is flowing almost ALL fights end up a wrestling match) it depends what you want to get out of it H.
Check these two Wing Chun GRAND MASTERS having a scrap. More like 2am outside a kebab shop eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdF1nIAfpk
What do you want to get out of your martial art Big fella?
Cheers mate CCQuote:
Originally Posted by Munky
2 reasons for wanting to get started
1.) Fitness/discipline
2.) too many people carrying knives and coming at you with glasses these days - want a bit of reassurance that I can protect myself
Ok mate Wing Chun might not give you what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I suggest (if you can) finding a good Reality Based Self Defence club that focus on not only the physical aspects but also the Mental soft skills of awareness, target hardening, verbal dissuasion, how to loophol, cause an adrenaline dump in your assailant etc etc. There is so much more to self defence than just the ability to smack someone.
Have alook here
www.urbancombatives.com
I am in some of the workshop pics ;D
The guy is an extremely hard individual with lots of real world experience. This is based on ww2 combatives. There is a lot of reading on there but it will get you started on what you want to look for.
Add to that a good pressure tested Martial Art such as ...ahem...judo (try and search some of my Judo posts on here pertaining to self defence...I've made enough). Judo is a F****** tough sport mate that will instill fitness, discipline and mental toughness. I've been in judo for years and it does take a fair bit of technical knowledge to be able to use the throws in a live situation BUT its better than most other martial arts out there as it teahces you lots of physical cues, weight displacement, balance and also how to slam some f***** into the deck with very little space.
At the end of the day mate do your own reading and do what you feel will be best suited to you. Go watch a couple of classes before you commit and watch the instructor with his class.
If i can be any more help mate let me know.
You're a top fella - cheers for all that - i'll have a good look through :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Munky
PS - can you post the link to that Wing Chun fight from youtube - cheers m8
If i just post the youtube link it embeds it automaically, try this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdF1...index%2Ephp%2F
Still ont worked
PM it to me please budQuote:
Originally Posted by Munky
Cheers
Wing Chun does have some interesting defensive applications, though. But you're right - it isn't a strong offensive style. It's essentially aimed at a smaller, weaker person defending themselves from a larger, stronger one.
it's for girls
two wing chump masters look like nothing mroe than two pigeons fighting over a spot on the ledge of a building.... slap slap slap. pardon me while i cough the word bullshit.
The biggest problem with WC is (from everything I know) that it centers around a lot of throat strikes and eye gouges, which you can't really practice in real life scenarios, seeing as you'd blind/kill your opponent....you'd be much better off training boxing, and using that to help you gouge eyes and whatnot.
yeah, and you don't need a blackbelt from a con artist to gouge eyes and hit throats.
maybe ill start charginf $100/month to teach kids to bite.
Actually, it was developed by a woman - do defend against bigger, heavier men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
and hence the slapping. 8)
which bit don't you believe? that mt doesn't have sound striking? Striking is not just punching y'know. Eat knee you mutha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
& bcollins is correct.
Someone really versed in Wing Chun is harder to hit than Floyd Mayweather on speed. I got to train a couple of times with a guy that had trained with someone really good - you know how that goes - and I couldn't begin to get past him. He was slippery as an eel. He showed us some basic chi sao that I always thought was cool as hell.
But if you wanna go out and knock someone into next week, both boxing and MT are great places to look. Two of the best striking MAs, IMO.
no, not mt you spanner... the wc being a good foundation. WC'ers never do anything legit. Everything is staged against passive students who've been brainwashed into not making their "master" look bad. all WCers claim its lethalness. uh huh. when's the last time a wc master killed anyone? oh. that's right. never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
i want to see a fight between and wc grand master and any pro boxer, even some scrub who's got a losing record on $400 fights. I'll be the house on the boxer. WC is good for nothing but mall demonstrations and conning people out of their money and then telling people how you could kill them or knock them flying 6feet across the room by hitting them in the chest form 2" away.
Wow...somebody seems to have a personal vendetta against WC :P
I do have to say...from some of the videos I've seen, the defensive skills of WC guys and handspeed are pretty phenomenal.
However, I have seen the same thing from my former trainer (Kyokushin Karate) with the sticky hands-esque technique that the WC guys generally use to demonstrate their defensive skills. Having also done it myself, it's a lot easier to defend when you can feel their movement, rather than having to rely purely on vision like in a real fight.
And also, the "rolling punch" as I call it (essentially where you kinda swat down their guard very quickly and follow up immediately with a strike....it almost looks like you're rolling your fists as you do it) has NEVER worked in a real sparring session the few times I tried it, despite being so successful while training.
I'm just tired of hearing how deadly they are when in reality it's a load of shit.... full of examples like you mention...the rolling punch. whatever. that might work on a little girl. MIGHT.
I never said wc was a good foundation you tool, re-read what I wrote, it applies similar principles of movement as Judo, using your opponents momentum against them. How is economy of motion and not telegraphing your intent not sound? And it IS a cornerstone of JKD, however as with all systems it has flaws and JKD altered it. So you don't swat their guard down quickly and strike, the block and strike happen together but your mentallity is focused on the strike (repeatedly, fast and hard) and I have used that in sparring and it does work. Mismatched leads they jab, you ram your jab across their forearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
This is a link to a site i go to regularly and have trained with a few of the chaps on here. They are all renowned self protection people with real world experience either on the door or in the CQP industry. Bear in mind there are also some inexperienced people on this site too who really don't know their a*** from their elbow.
Here is their take on Wing Chun. Some differing opinions but as a system of self defence it doesn't always stack up (IMO anyway)
Anyway the best form of defence is offence.
Its quite a long read but there are some good points if anyone is interested in looking through it. You might find it interesting Missy
http://selfprotection.lightbb.com/Se...ight=wing+chun
Interesting stuff in there mate - cheers 4 that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
NP mate..
I absolutely love this quote from Dave Turton...and believe me guys this chap KNOWS what he is talking about.
"Its not so much thats its Crap or not
to me the answer is quite simple
its LIMITED..
It was devised by a small bhuddist NUN to be used against the average chinese man of a century or so ago.. average size.. 5ft3 and 8 stones..
Its good at what its was devised for..
after all a hammer makes a lousy spanner
but its has more lacking than it has included.. so its LIMITED"
Apparently the nun story is always in dispute as to its truth but the general consensus is it is lacking in 'stuff'. If i was just starting out then Wing Chun wouldn't be an art i chose to give me some foundation skills and attributes...there are much better ones around. Just my opinion.
Good points in that thread. It is limited but so is every ma you examine closely.
"I think we could use the same title and answers as this thread for about 95% of all the martial arts being practiced out there.
Why is TKD crap? Why is Karate crap? Why is Jiu-Jutsu crap? Why is Krav Maga crap? Why is Kung-fu crap? Why is Systema crap? etc etc etc" - and this is what we've seen on these boards, add to it why MMA is crap compared to boxing and we've covered everything.
"Every fighting art can offer something positive" - I would agree with this. You just have to be critical and not just accept everything someone says.
my old sifu is mentioned in the thread. 8)
Yep...every MA is limited (to a degree) in a self defence capacity thats why i have always said martial arts will give you attributes to use but don't rely on a single system to get you out of the shit if it turns physical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
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