Hatton or Calzaghe (British Number 1)

Who do you think is the best of british of these two with both 43 fights under their belts.

For me it's Hatton as he's gone to America and fought his last 3 fights against one superstar and two world champs and different weights.

Where as Calzaghe is in his prime and he's fighting contender RUNNER-UP fighters who never even bloody won the show at this day in age who's also too scared to go to USA.

Calzaghe is probably the better fighter for me but that doesnt make him number 1. Hatton was number 1 before he beat Castillo, nothing has changed. Joe beats Kessler, then we'll talk about it.

Calzaghe is the better skilled and versatile fighter by far & Hatton is the more popular fighter

Should of done it as a poll i think Hatton just fact he's fighting better fighters than Calzaghe is.

In the hearts of the people it is undoubtably Hatton but Joe is technically one of the Worlds finest.

Hatton for me although Joe is oviously skilled his oponants just plain suck as a rule ;D

I like Calzaghe's style of fighting.

Their both amazing, and better than each other in different ways, I don't think it matters that they're both British it's not the issue, they are 2 really good fighters still with a lot to prove.

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I like Calzaghe's style of fighting.

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I think people prefer Hatton because he is scared of nobody and goes looking for the big fights. Calzaghe has been happy fighting the mandatories for most of his career. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Joe, but I do feel there is plenty to criticize. With Hatton, I find him difficult to criticise.

British p4p for me is:

#1. Ricky Hatton
#2. Joe Calzaghe
#3. David Haye
#4. Enzo Maccarinelli
#5. Clinton Woods

Whilst hatton in fairness has gone to the us and fought a couple of times, i don't see how that makes you a better fighter.

Calzaghe is a much better P4P fighter than hatton is - Hatton can only really brawl, when he ca,e up agasint a good boxe rin collazo he struggled bad. Calzaghe can do it all, he does need to get a few better guys in the ring with him though...

I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

Hatton is no.1 for me. He does so much for the sport of boxing.
Everywhere he goes he makes people smile with recognition and he is just an all around nice guy. But that does'nt justify him being picked over joe...I just feel he's been forced to show how much he wants to win (like against collazo.) Lets see joe in one single war and then i mite reconsider...

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Hatton is no.1 for me. He does so much for the sport of boxing.
Everywhere he goes he makes people smile with recognition and he is just an all around nice guy. But that does'nt justify him being picked over joe...I just feel he's been forced to show how much he wants to win (like against collazo.) Lets see joe in one single war and then i mite reconsider...

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I think Joes a vampire,he cant seem to be able to cross water ;D ;D

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

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Super this isn't even debatable Castillo and Tszyu wipe out any of Calzaghes opponents easily Calzaghe may be better skilled but he is no way better than Hatton's opponents aka Tszyu and Castillo and i don't think its even debatable.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

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Super this isn't even debatable Castillo and Tszyu wipe out any of Calzaghes opponents easily Calzaghe may be better skilled but he is no way better than Hatton's opponents aka Tszyu and Castillo and i don't think its even debatable.

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Just saying it isn't even debatable is a dumb ass get out for anyone not wishing to debate something, and of course there is an argument that both Tzuyu and Castillo were past their prime. If you can't see there are two sides to all arguments, then you're not open-minded enough, and that isn't even debatable.

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I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

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Super this isn't even debatable Castillo and Tszyu wipe out any of Calzaghes opponents easily Calzaghe may be better skilled but he is no way better than Hatton's opponents aka Tszyu and Castillo and i don't think its even debatable.

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Just saying it isn't even debatable is a dumb a** get out for anyone not wishing to debate something, and of course there is an argument that both Tzuyu and Castillo were past their prime. If you can't see there are two sides to all arguments, then you're not open-minded enough, and that isn't even debatable.

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I said imo it isn't Lacy is Calzaghes best win an overrated prospect enough said.

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I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

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Super this isn't even debatable Castillo and Tszyu wipe out any of Calzaghes opponents easily Calzaghe may be better skilled but he is no way better than Hatton's opponents aka Tszyu and Castillo and i don't think its even debatable.

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Just saying it isn't even debatable is a dumb a** get out for anyone not wishing to debate something, and of course there is an argument that both Tzuyu and Castillo were past their prime. If you can't see there are two sides to all arguments, then you're not open-minded enough, and that isn't even debatable.

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I said imo it isn't Lacy is Calzaghes best win an overrated prospect enough said.

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Well, by using the three letters "imo" there, that pretty much negates your argument. It can't only be your opinion, and then not debatable, it's a contradiction in terms. By saying that it's your opinion, it opens the field up to the possibility that there are other opinions, which there are.

Yes and Hatton deserves more respect and is better which over half the people state here!

We can never debate without arguing can we ;D ;D ;D
I see Big Dan McCarthy viewing this topic...gotta offer him my Congrats on winnin the front page comp!

I'd have to say they are about even with me leaning a little bit more towards hatton. Both a popular and good fighters but hatton seems reguardless of his past performances more willing to show that he deserves his record..while joe seems content to be popular oversees and stay a protected fighter. Joe has talked a good game about all the fights he wants and people he wants to face but that's about it. Hatton seems more willing to show what he's got with his fists not just the hype of a overblown record.

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I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

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Super this isn't even debatable Castillo and Tszyu wipe out any of Calzaghes opponents easily Calzaghe may be better skilled but he is no way better than Hatton's opponents aka Tszyu and Castillo and i don't think its even debatable.

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Just saying it isn't even debatable is a dumb a** get out for anyone not wishing to debate something, and of course there is an argument that both Tzuyu and Castillo were past their prime. If you can't see there are two sides to all arguments, then you're not open-minded enough, and that isn't even debatable.

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I have to disagree. While I try to be open-minded about most things, I find it very difficult to put ticks in the pro column of an argument in favour of Junior Witter ;D

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Yes and Hatton deserves more respect and is better which over half the people state here!

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I said that at a push I'd say that Hatton was Britain's #1, I was just saying that I objected to being told that I wasn't allowed to debate it by ICE. As far as I'm concerned that's a childish get-out. Like repeating whatever the other guy said.

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I have to disagree. While I try to be open-minded about most things, I find it very difficult to put ticks in the pro column of an argument in favour of Junior Witter ;D

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I sympathise with that, but fair play he can finish a fight when he wants to, the KO against Morua was impressive, I just wish I hadn't had to sit through the 8 or so rounds before that.

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I think this one is likely to see Hatton get the more votes at the moment because of his fantastic win, and the fact that it's so fresh and vivid in most people's minds.

However, looking at it dispassionately, I'm torn. Hatton has gone to the states, and no doubt beating Castillo was a huge achievement, but in his other fights he's struggled. Then again, in some of his earlier fights in the first 10 defences in the Calzaghe reign he struggled, especially against Robin Reid. On the other hand, Calzaghe is slick, and can make pure punchers (like Jeff Lacy) look plain and unremarkable. Also, I would say that Calzaghe's rise to the top....in terms of number of fights into his career was quicker, as Hatton spent a long time (under Frank Warren's guiding hand) defending his WBU title, and that the first huge fight of Hatton's career was Kostya Tzuyu, whilst Calzaghe's was Eubank.
I don't know, maybe at a push, I'd let Hatton's fantastic win over the weekend to push me into putting him just ahead.

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Super this isn't even debatable Castillo and Tszyu wipe out any of Calzaghes opponents easily Calzaghe may be better skilled but he is no way better than Hatton's opponents aka Tszyu and Castillo and i don't think its even debatable.

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Just saying it isn't even debatable is a dumb a** get out for anyone not wishing to debate something, and of course there is an argument that both Tzuyu and Castillo were past their prime. If you can't see there are two sides to all arguments, then you're not open-minded enough, and that isn't even debatable.

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I said imo it isn't Lacy is Calzaghes best win an overrated prospect enough said.

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Well, by using the three letters "imo" there, that pretty much negates your argument. It can't only be your opinion, and then not debatable, it's a contradiction in terms. By saying that it's your opinion, it opens the field up to the possibility that there are other opinions, which there are.

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All im saying is Super imo it isn't im not saying no one else isn't allowed to debate or have there say im just saying imo it isn't debatable based on opponents.

it's got to be Hatton, least he has fought proper opponents, and not WBO hand pick fights the Wank Warren way, Joe has to really pull his finger out if he is to be taken seriously.

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All im saying is Super imo it isn't im not saying no one else isn't allowed to debate or have there say im just saying imo it isn't debatable based on opponents.

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And I'm saying it is debatable. Playing the devil's advocate, there is the argument:

Kostya Tzuyu - was 36 when he went in with Hatton, which especially considering he fought among the lighter weights, is very old for a light welter, and who had only beaten Sharmba Mitchell and Jesse James Lejia in the two years leading up to the Hatton fight. Not nearly enough activity going into a fight with someone with Hatton's style.

Jose Luis Castillo - had only had one victory of note in the 18 months leading to the Hatton fight, and had struggled to overcome the limited Ngoudjo. Despite many people saying that it took Castillo the big fights to get motivated, he didn't show too much of that in the three and a half rounds before he got knocked out.

Apart from those two the only wins of any real note were over Eamonn Magee, which was mainly significant because he put Hatton down, and beating Thaxton, which he was expected to do. He struggled against Urango and Collazo, and Maussa's pedigree returned with his defeat against the top fighters.

Whilst I don't agree with all of the points here, it is an example of how Hatton's record is not exactly littered with glittering stars, in the same way that many people criticise Calzaghe's record.

hatton for me

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I like Calzaghe's style of fighting.

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I think people prefer Hatton because he is scared of nobody and goes looking for the big fights. Calzaghe has been happy fighting the mandatories for most of his career. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Joe, but I do feel there is plenty to criticize. With Hatton, I find him difficult to criticise.

British p4p for me is:

#1. Ricky Hatton
#2. Joe Calzaghe
#3. David Haye
#4. Enzo Maccarinelli
#5. Clinton Woods

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Joes fought like 2 or 3 mandatories out of 20 straight defences...

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Hatton is no.1 for me. He does so much for the sport of boxing.
Everywhere he goes he makes people smile with recognition and he is just an all around nice guy. But that does'nt justify him being picked over joe...I just feel he's been forced to show how much he wants to win (like against collazo.) Lets see joe in one single war and then i mite reconsider...

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Watch the brewer, eubank and reid fights. They were very very hard fought fights - brewer was a massive puncher and calzaghe took them and give back... just because he hasn't struggled because of a lack of his own talent is very unfair too mark him down.

Take into considerartion that collazo can't ounch for absolut shit, that one of brewers power pounces are like 3 round sof what collazo can do to you, i would class the brewer fight as just as hard.

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I'd have to say they are about even with me leaning a little bit more towards hatton. Both a popular and good fighters but hatton seems reguardless of his past performances more willing to show that he deserves his record..while joe seems content to be popular oversees and stay a protected fighter. Joe has talked a good game about all the fights he wants and people he wants to face but that's about it. Hatton seems more willing to show what he's got with his fists not just the hype of a overblown record.

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Joe signed to fight hopkins in the US, Ottke made it crystal clear he never ever wanted anything to do with calzaghe EVER - i think its clear by now the only reason calzaghe and kessler have not fought is down to palle/warren and nothing more....

In terms of boxing there is no doubt imo calzaghe is #1 - hatton has gone to the us and beaten names out there credit for him, calzaghe has domonated his devision for over a decade beating anyone willing to fight him - hatton has only ever defended a recognised belt ONCE (IBF agasint mausa)

Oi wackoff, whats your opinion on this?

your a pretty impartial cat and are a fan of both and followed them both...

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Oi wackoff, whats your opinion on this?

your a pretty impartial cat and are a fan of both and followed them both...

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I didn't think Wacko was a fan of Hatton ??

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Oi wackoff, whats your opinion on this?

your a pretty impartial cat and are a fan of both and followed them both...

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I didn't think Wacko was a fan of Hatton ??

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never really seen him take many shots at him if any... could be wrong.

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Oi wackoff, whats your opinion on this?

your a pretty impartial cat and are a fan of both and followed them both...

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I didn't think Wacko was a fan of Hatton ??

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never really seen him take many shots at him if any... could be wrong.

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Brewer was never a massive puncher , and was KOED by light punching Lonnie Beasley and floored numerous times by an old Herol Graham , and Calzaghe couldnt budge him , so much for Joes numerous claims that "they cant take my power lol" fact is hes wasted his talent in a nothing division , fighting joke fighter for the most part

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Oi wackoff, whats your opinion on this?

your a pretty impartial cat and are a fan of both and followed them both...

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I didn't think Wacko was a fan of Hatton ??

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never really seen him take many shots at him if any... could be wrong.

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Brewer was never a massive puncher , and was KOED by light punching Lonnie Beasley and floored numerous times by an old Herol Graham , and Calzaghe couldnt budge him , so much for Joes numerous claims that "they cant take my power lol" fact is hes wasted his talent in a nothing division , fighting joke fighter for the most part

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How can you back up a claim that a fighter isn't a mssive puncher because he was kayod and dropped before? a fighter being put on his ass has sweet Fa to dow ith his own power.

I think Joe because of longevity. Ricky is a great fighter but when he's been world champ for 10 years and made 20-or-so defences let me know.

No doubt about it Hatton is number 1. People say Kosta Tszuyu (how the hell do you spell it anyway) and Castillo were has been fighters but I think Calzaghes only big win was over Jeff Lacy and to me he was well over hyped. Plus Hatton going over to America has to put him above Joe who only likes to fight in his own backyard. Maybe my opinion will change if Calzaghe beats Kessler!!

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No doubt about it Hatton is number 1. People say Kosta Tszuyu (how the hell do you spell it anyway) and Castillo were has been fighters but I think Calzaghes only big win was over Jeff Lacy and to me he was well over hyped. Plus Hatton going over to America has to put him above Joe who only likes to fight in his own backyard. Maybe my opinion will change if Calzaghe beats Kessler!!

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Well, I'm kinda with you but I reckon that, apart from some top fighters in 3 or 4 of his fights, Hatton's opponents apart from the big names have been pretty second rate. Anyhow, I agree the Calzaghe will cement his spot at number 1 if he beats Kessler, especially if it happens in Denmark.

Hatton is the best Britisg fighter, he's beat a higher calibre of fighters than Calzaghe.

Castillo > Lacy
Tzsyu > Bika
Collazo > Manfredo

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Hatton is the best Britisg fighter, he's beat a higher calibre of fighters than Calzaghe.

Castillo > Lacy
Tzsyu > Bika
Collazo > Manfredo

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Well, if we're going for selecting names out of the hat, how about:

Washed-up Eubank > Washed up Castillo
Lacy > Washed up Tzuyu
Brewer > Urango
Reid > Collazo

I would say Hatton coz he has fought the better opponents and is always willing to fight anyone anwhere.


Joe may be the better boxer but he has never proved it in the ring enough times.Always seems to have a reason/excuse why bigs fights dont seem to happen for him.

I'm on the fence on this one honestly.

I think Calzaghe is clearly the more gifted boxer, but Hatton shows more heart.

I want to see what the next step in both of their careers is before I make judgement.

If we get to see Calzaghe vs. Kessler and Hatton vs. Mayweather............

That should give us a better place to judge both fighters.

Yeah, I'm with you Greg (aka killersheep) we gotta see what comes next for both fighters cause they are neck and neck.