Even the most classy show acts of desperation

I was compiling my Barrera compilation for a short video when i was reminded of how dirty and desperate he'd become when he was being beaten by Pacman...

first the intentional headbutt, then hard right hand on the break in round 9...man marco was really beaten phyically and mentally....i hated watching that because i love to watch marco, but then again i love watching pacman too..

Barrera is overated he lost to junior jones easily twice and he beat a weight drained naz.

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Duran overated? I'd have understood if you'd have said Roy Jones Jnr post 168 days.

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I would have understood if said you'd just finished a marathon crack smoking and mushroom eating journey across the Gobi dessert with no water. ::**

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Barrera no way over rated but your rite he beat a Naz who hadnt been thte same for years and was getting beaton up by his sparring partners before the Barrera fight.

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Marco was a rough tough gun slinger of a fighter before he was a savvy boxer. Sometimes the origins of a fighter show up in his most desperate moments. In a way what Marco did draws admiration because he showed a will to win, whereas other fighters in moments of desperation will lay down or fake or exagerate fouls.


Oh Ya!!!! Thats a Classic HitmanDonny post right ther...Praisin Barrera and dissin Zab Judah. I love it!

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Marco was a rough tough gun slinger of a fighter before he was a savvy boxer. Sometimes the origins of a fighter show up in his most desperate moments. In a way what Marco did draws admiration because he showed a will to win, whereas other fighters in moments of desperation will lay down or fake or exagerate fouls.


I can attest to that. My cousin Frankie fought Barrera whe he was more of a rough bralwer and he made it a whopping 2 rounds. Barrera deserves all the praise he receives, and is FAR from overrated.

Yes Marco was over rated..........................................if over rated in your language mean GREAT FIGHTER ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
youll be saying next Mayweather has class when interviewed ;D ;D ;D ;D
or Joe Calzaghe has fought all the best fighters for years ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
or perhaps Ricky hatton is a tanned greek god ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Yeah because Roy JOnes Jr. didn't unify the LHW division, and is considered in the top 5 in that division ever then go up to heavyweight and beat a guy 30 pounds heavier than him. I think to say Duran is overrated is also stupid, but maybe your making a point :alcoholic:

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Oh god, add another to the list of Naz excuses. Naz got beat by Barrera because Barrera's the better fighter.

The only one I haven't heard yet is that Naz was drugged.

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Oh god, add another to the list of Naz excuses. Naz got beat by Barrera because Barrera's the better fighter.

The only one I haven't heard yet is that Naz was drugged.

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Duran is an absolute 1000000000000000% legend. barrera is an average overhyped boxer.

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Barrera is average?? How many fighters have won belts in 3 weight classes?

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Barrera is average?? How many fighters have won belts in 3 weight classes?

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leonard
roy jones
james toney
hearns
arguello
fitzimmons
mayweather
chavez
henry armstrong (held them at the same time and was undisuted champ)
pernel whittaker
mccallum

and probably a whole lot more

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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I know he is that's why he only beat one great fighter(srl)...but i guess that qualifies rahman, mccall, tarver, montell griffith, ruiz, and the list goes on.....

Duran padded his record then moved up and lost that doesn't make him great..just makes him tough...and no one said he wasn't one of the toughest fighters ever...

but if barrera is overrated, then Duran is the most overrated ever next to tyson....

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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I know he is that's why he only beat one great fighter(srl)...but i guess that qualifies rahman, mccall, tarver, montell griffith, ruiz, and the list goes on.....

Duran padded his record then moved up and lost that doesn't make him great..just makes him tough...and no one said he wasn't one of the toughest fighters ever...

but if barrera is overrated, then Duran is the most overrated ever next to tyson....

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DURAN beat a peak leonard. beat an unbeaten moore to win his third title and outpointed a big middleweight in barkley to win his fourth title. Hardly padding his record.

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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I know he is that's why he only beat one great fighter(srl)...but i guess that qualifies rahman, mccall, tarver, montell griffith, ruiz, and the list goes on.....

Duran padded his record then moved up and lost that doesn't make him great..just makes him tough...and no one said he wasn't one of the toughest fighters ever...

but if barrera is overrated, then Duran is the most overrated ever next to tyson....

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DURAN beat a peak leonard. beat an unbeaten moore to win his third title and outpointed a big middleweight in barkley to win his fourth title. Hardly padding his record.

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I hope to God you're not talking davey moore...because he was that eras david reid....

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Barrera is average?? How many fighters have won belts in 3 weight classes?

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leonard
roy jones
james toney
hearns
arguello
fitzimmons
mayweather
chavez
henry armstrong (held them at the same time and was undisuted champ)
pernel whittaker
mccallum

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Ok, that proves my point. Out of all the thousands of fighters in history, there were only 13 people who you could think of right away that were 3 division champs. Duran, Leonard, Whitaker, Jones, Hearns, Mayweather..... that's pretty exclusive company if you ask me. I'd say all those guys were better than "average."

I'm not even a Barrera fan, but he is a great fighter and a no-doubt Hall Of Famer.

even barkley won titles in three divisions and he won a version of the heavyweight title.

Seriously SEANIE - if you think all this about Barera you must be more clueless than LAWHOOPS ;)

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barrera is overrated? i would have understood had you said duran ;D

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Duran is an absolute 1000000000000000% legend. barrera is an average overhyped boxer.

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Barrera is average?? How many fighters have won belts in 3 weight classes?

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leonard
roy jones
james toney
hearns
arguello
fitzimmons
mayweather
chavez
henry armstrong (held them at the same time and was undisuted champ)
pernel whittaker
mccallum

and probably a whole lot more

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Ok, that proves my point. Out of all the thousands of fighters in history, there were only 13 people who you could think of right away that were 3 division champs. Duran, Leonard, Whitaker, Jones, Hearns, Mayweather..... that's pretty exclusive company if you ask me. I'd say all those guys were better than "average."

I'm not even a Barrera fan, but he is a great fighter and a no-doubt Hall Of Famer.

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I know it's not like he named "nobody's" that virtual who's who of boxing..and to be in that company is great in itself..

and i'll add mosley and trinidad..and mention that i believe the greatest fighter ever only won in two divisions....

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Seriously SEANIE - if you think all this about Barera you must be more clueless than LAWHOOPS ;)

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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Trevor Berbwick beat Muhamad Ali ;)

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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Trevor Berbwick beat Muhamad Ali ;)

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Jones beat a peak barrera. did berbick beat a peak ALI?

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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Jones beat a peak barrera. did berbick beat a peak ALI?

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No! but Norton did arguabley 3 times!!! All gr8 fighters have a Nemesis, styles make fights and all that!

PAC was simply the better fighter on the night - but would love to have seen that fight before MAB's wars with Morales ( neither MAB or Morales were the same after those fights)

Weigh up his achievements against his very few ' bad nights' the guy as just about as good as it gets imo

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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i just don't see how barrera is overrated, but duran isn't..but then again maybe one can't see why i think duran is overrated and barrera isn't....

my point about duran is, he was ATG but top 10 p4p is ridiculous..


I get your point he did lose to the great manny pacquioa and lost to a good junior jones.

the only way for him to be considered great he would have had to beat juarez, tapia, morrales, ayala, kelley, hamed, mckinney..wait, he did beat them....with those fights alone his record would be

9-3 against fighters from the unanimous "*non-bum" category...which makes his winning percentage 75% against absolutely unquestionable opponents..which is more than i can say for Duran...



*"non-bum" - means everyone would vote 100% that this fighter isn't a bum and is at least a good fighter...

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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i just don't see how barrera is overrated, but duran isn't..but then again maybe one can't see why i think duran is overrated and barrera isn't....

my point about duran is, he was ATG but top 10 p4p is ridiculous..


I get your point he did lose to the great manny pacquioa and lost to a good junior jones.

the only way for him to be considered great he would have had to beat juarez, tapia, morrales, ayala, kelley, hamed, mckinney..wait, he did beat them....with those fights alone his record would be

9-3 against fighters from the unanimous "*non-bum" category...which makes his winning percentage 75% against absolutely unquestionable opponents..which is more than i can say for Duran...



*"non-bum" - means everyone would vote 100% that this fighter isn't a bum and is at least a good fighter...

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He beat some decent opponents, but that dont make him a legend. tapia was finished and barrera could only beat him on points.

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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i just don't see how barrera is overrated, but duran isn't..but then again maybe one can't see why i think duran is overrated and barrera isn't....

my point about duran is, he was ATG but top 10 p4p is ridiculous..


I get your point he did lose to the great manny pacquioa and lost to a good junior jones.

the only way for him to be considered great he would have had to beat juarez, tapia, morrales, ayala, kelley, hamed, mckinney..wait, he did beat them....with those fights alone his record would be

9-3 against fighters from the unanimous "*non-bum" category...which makes his winning percentage 75% against absolutely unquestionable opponents..which is more than i can say for Duran...



*"non-bum" - means everyone would vote 100% that this fighter isn't a bum and is at least a good fighter...

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He beat some decent opponents, but that dont make him a legend. tapia was finished and barrera could only beat him on points.

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no one said he was a legend..but he is a great fighter and overrated is ridiculous..if they called him top 10 p4p then he'd be overrated....

Well whether you rate Barrerra highly or not he will go down in everybodies book as one of the most entertaining fighters of any generation...

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pacman beat him easily in that fight barrera basicly quit, jones beat him easily twice. you wanna stick jones in the hall of fame?

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i just don't see how barrera is overrated, but duran isn't..but then again maybe one can't see why i think duran is overrated and barrera isn't....

my point about duran is, he was ATG but top 10 p4p is ridiculous..


I get your point he did lose to the great manny pacquioa and lost to a good junior jones.

the only way for him to be considered great he would have had to beat juarez, tapia, morrales, ayala, kelley, hamed, mckinney..wait, he did beat them....with those fights alone his record would be

9-3 against fighters from the unanimous "*non-bum" category...which makes his winning percentage 75% against absolutely unquestionable opponents..which is more than i can say for Duran...



*"non-bum" - means everyone would vote 100% that this fighter isn't a bum and is at least a good fighter...

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He beat some decent opponents, but that dont make him a legend. tapia was finished and barrera could only beat him on points.

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First Barrera was only average, now you're saying his opponents were decent!! Erik Morales says hello.