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He got droped by Henry cooper and was baddly hurt imo.
The 11th round of the first Frazier he was in a lot of trouble but bluffed his was out of it.
But the closest he came to getting stopped IMO was against Ernie shavers but was once again able to con his way out of trouble.
If the left hook that Fraizer caught him with in the 14th didn't KO him nothing will, I'd say thats the closest an he just got up and shook it off. That was PRIME Ali, clean on the chin an straight up he was awesome.
Gotta be Henry Cooper. If Ali's glove hadn't ripped in half (by total accident of course ::**), he'd have lost.
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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra
Dont you mean 15th round.
He was in a lot more trouble in the 11th round of that fight.
cooper no doubt!
If dundee didn't cut his glove ali would of been sparked out.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Never, never and never. Cooper's hook was good but not enough to keep Ali n troble
Ali had great recupperative powers and he would have found a way to win this one also
Then why slice his glove in half? Did a naughty, mischievous leprachaun do it for no reason? Damn them pesky leprachauns.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkDestroyer
Yes he was badly hurt againest Cooper , but he wasnt Ali at the time he was Clay so technically he didnt ask us that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I see Henry Cooper because had it not been at the bell or had Dundee not cut open his glove he would have lost. I think that Frazier gave him most overall punishment in any one of their fights than Ali received in any other fight before Holmes, and I think Shavers hit him the hardest, but I think Henry Cooper was the closest to knocking him out because essentially he did knock Ali out.
Chuck Wepner ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
"Start up the limo.Im gonna be rich"
"Better hold off on that,he's back up,and he looks pissed"
Earnie Shavers had Ali in major trouble and to this day Ali admits had Shavers had just gone all out he would have been stopped
1 Coopers hook in the 4th
2 Joe Frazier flooring Ali in 15th
3 Earnie Shavers overhand right in the 2nd round.
Without doubt...Cooper @ Wembley Stadium.
Henry got mugged that night >:mad
Ali only had 7 seconds extra time the controversy was smelling salts which i don't think were allowed in UK at that time i heard somewhere.
He had an extra minute... they had to get him a new glove... if you can do that in 7 seconds then your godly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I heard official time was 67 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
He had nearer 2 full minutes.
These guys are right.
Henry Cooper knocked him down. He was HUUUUUUURT. Precious seconds were added by the glove problem.
Close second is Frazier, in the first fight.... he had Ali staggering backwards, Ali played it more, but Ali was ready to be killed.... so he conned Joe that night, fooled him... Joe's trainer, Futch teased him about it later.... called it the "long walk" ..... had Frazier hit him once, he would have KO'd Ali
Check this out! I found it. You have to see the last 30 seconds of the footage! It's exactly what I was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTYnyC8X1l8
I love Ali man!!!!!!!!!!
Cooper, a perfect left hook! If Cooper had of won what would have happened to Ali?
Done basically the same except getting title shot later against Liston prolly in 1965.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I think Cooper! Followed closely by Frazier.
I guess Cooper V Liston would have been made? How would big Henry have gone?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Stopped on cuts or koed in about 5 i would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I agree, Liston would have owned him!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Angelo Dundee did that. Ali had nothing to do with it. Maybe he didn't have enough faith. that happened again a few years later (rope a dope)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
...get the fuck outta here.....it's JOE FRAZIER, all 3 fights were damn close and Smokin Joe pushed him like no one elseQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
To you Cooper supporters, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Ali only received a few seconds extra time between the 4th and 5th: I have the fight and have timed each round (one through to five) for consistency, and even seven seconds is being generous. If you want to get really anal about it, Cooper actually knocked Ali down after 3 minutes had already elapsed in round 4 itself, so strictly correct timekeeping would have deprived 'Enery of the knockdown in the first place. Moreover, Ali got up pretty quickly (when the count was only at 3 or 4), and was standing in his corner waiting to come out for the 5th round fully 15 seconds before the bell rang for the start of that round. All you need to do is watch the entire fight for yourself. I posted at length on the fight a few years ago with all the timings, but it seems these days we can only locate our recent posts rather than entire history (sorry guys, I don't post much these days so am a bit out of touch), otherwise I'd unearth it for everyone.
Staying away from the argument about how much time Ali got between rounds after the Cooper knockdown, and whether Dundee ripped or didn't rip his glove........ I'd say that was "The Left Hook From Hell." I don't quite remember from the video, but didn't Ali have to be led back to his corner? Also, the fact that it happened at the end of the round, undoubtedly helped Ali also.
cc thats my favorite part of his entire career. He has a look on his face like "Yeah i know you think you hurt me, come do something about it". From the fight i have on dvd (i think its the espn classic version) you can clearly see the joking look he has on his face as he makes his arms limp and stumbles backwards on purpose. I can't honestly say wether i think he was hurt or not that night, he made it hard to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai